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Might need a new monitor. Suggestions for something on the smaller end?
Posted by: deckeda
Date: July 19, 2010 03:23PM
I have a Planar PL2010M, a nice monitor with 1600x1200 resolution (4:3 ratio). It's exhibiting a known defect but is out of warranty.

I just got off the phone with Planar, who will fix it for $150 if I ship it to them. What they do is flash the firmware. It wouldn't be refurbed or come back as refurbed—if anything else is wrong they won't touch it. Nothing else is wrong with mine, I don't think, but then how can I know for certain.

I'm on the fence here, because I don't think I can buy a new monitor for $150 that will be as nice—I'm not interested in the widescreen stuff usually sold these days, and those have less total resolution anyway unless significantly bigger/wider, which isn't needed or desired.

I'd consider whatever's a decent 19" or so model if that's where most of the 4:3 screens are these days.
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Re: Might need a new monitor. Suggestions for something on the smaller end?
Posted by: Gareth
Date: July 19, 2010 03:56PM
Yea, you're not going to find a cheap 4:3 monitor with 1600x1200 resolution anymore. Not new, at least. You can probably find something used (i.e. this Dell 2007FP [cgi.ebay.com] which is $400 new from Dell.com).

You can probably find a widescreen 1920x1080 display for near that pricepoint. For a little bit more you can get a nice 1080p display. But 1920x1200 displays will cost more.
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Re: Might need a new monitor. Suggestions for something on the smaller end?
Posted by: onthedownlow
Date: July 19, 2010 04:33PM
I know you said smaller monitor...but for $169 and well-reviewed:

I-inc iH-252HPB 25" Widescreen LCD Monitor - 1080p, 1920x1080, 15000:1 Dynamic, 800:1 Native, 2ms, 16:9
[www.tigerdirect.com]



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Re: Might need a new monitor. Suggestions for something on the smaller end?
Posted by: deckeda
Date: July 19, 2010 05:29PM
Interesting suggestion. Never heard of I-INC nor am I familiar with what I guess is a tunerless-TV. But it's good? Guess I'd want a DVI to HDMI adapter for it, too.
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Re: Might need a new monitor. Suggestions for something on the smaller end?
Posted by: kj4btkljv
Date: July 19, 2010 05:44PM
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deckeda
Interesting suggestion. Never heard of I-INC nor am I familiar with what I guess is a tunerless-TV. But it's good? Guess I'd want a DVI to HDMI adapter for it, too.

Do you have a Mac that can even hit that native resolution of 1920 x 1080?

Jeff
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Re: Might need a new monitor. Suggestions for something on the smaller end?
Posted by: Trouble
Date: July 19, 2010 07:08PM
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onthedownlow
I-inc iH-252HPB 25" Widescreen LCD Monitor - 1080p, 1920x1080, 15000:1 Dynamic, 800:1 Native, 2ms, 16:9

With that 2ms response time it has to be a TN panel. I think Planar has an ips panel. I think your best bet is to buy a 19" or 21" TV to get the better screen that you are used to seeing. I wouldn't drop $150 in an old monitor.
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Re: Might need a new monitor. Suggestions for something on the smaller end?
Posted by: deckeda
Date: July 19, 2010 07:17PM
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kj4btkljv
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deckeda
Interesting suggestion. Never heard of I-INC nor am I familiar with what I guess is a tunerless-TV. But it's good? Guess I'd want a DVI to HDMI adapter for it, too.

Do you have a Mac that can even hit that native resolution of 1920 x 1080?

Jeff

Beats me, and I guess I wouldn't want to anyway. But that brings up another question which is, how good would the quality be running the monitor at less than native resolution … ?

My DVI-to-HDMI adapter comment was based on the belief that it would be better to connect digitally than via VGA, apparently that monitor's only other choice.
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Re: Might need a new monitor. Suggestions for something on the smaller end?
Posted by: deckeda
Date: July 19, 2010 07:21PM
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onthedownlow
I-inc iH-252HPB 25" Widescreen LCD Monitor - 1080p, 1920x1080, 15000:1 Dynamic, 800:1 Native, 2ms, 16:9

With that 2ms response time it has to be a TN panel. I think Planar has an ips panel. I think your best bet is to buy a 19" or 21" TV to get the better screen that you are used to seeing. I wouldn't drop $150 in an old monitor.

I actually do like the idea of getting a small TV so that I could have a box that could do double duty in different places of the house but I know I'd pay for it. I don't expect to pay $150 and get a good TV of that size necessarily, but somewhere I should be able to spend $150 or so and get a good monitor.
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Re: Might need a new monitor. Suggestions for something on the smaller end?
Posted by: onthedownlow
Date: July 19, 2010 07:26PM
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deckeda
Interesting suggestion. Never heard of I-INC nor am I familiar with what I guess is a tunerless-TV. But it's good? Guess I'd want a DVI to HDMI adapter for it, too.

It comes with a DVI to HDMI cable:


2ms response time is great. So what if it is a TN panel (likely)...that is what most all LCD panels are right now. This will be your average LCD experience. There are some IPS-based LCDs there for a good price too (HP, etc.)...but this is a good buy if your system will support it. Shouldn't be nit-picky with the response time. While there are other factors to compare, even Apple's LCDs only have around 14-16ms response time. ; )

Even pretty good reviews on Amazon: [www.amazon.com]



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Re: Might need a new monitor. Suggestions for something on the smaller end?
Posted by: Gareth
Date: July 19, 2010 07:31PM
Something to note about using TV's as computer monitors is their energy saving settings, if any. I didn't think about this since I have a tuner-less 37" Westinghouse I'd been using as mostly a monitor, occasionally a TV.

When my computer goes into display sleep, the Westinghouse goes into display sleep also. When I tried to replace it with a 46" Samsung from last year's line-up, I realized the Samsung doesn't have any sort of display sleep functionality and stayed on with a message about no signal and it was slow to pick up the signal when my computer woke up, wreaking havoc on the settings and application windows. This year's line-up of Samsung and some other manufacturers I looked into at least put the display into display sleep after 15 minutes, but none seem to be (from the descriptions, at least) instantaneous display sleep like my Westinghouse or a real computer monitor.
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Re: Might need a new monitor. Suggestions for something on the smaller end?
Posted by: onthedownlow
Date: July 19, 2010 07:32PM
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deckeda
I actually do like the idea of getting a small TV so that I could have a box that could do double duty in different places of the house but I know I'd pay for it. I don't expect to pay $150 and get a good TV of that size necessarily, but somewhere I should be able to spend $150 or so and get a good monitor.

You could always get a tuner later and add it on, when convenient (no computer necessary...just change the source to the tuner and no worries on any sleep issues, as stated). There are so many others, but I have used several of various KWorld models for excellent monitor-to-TV use: [www.newegg.com]

...link just for reference, not for best price. KW's black models are sharp with LCDs.







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Re: Might need a new monitor. Suggestions for something on the smaller end?
Posted by: onthedownlow
Date: July 19, 2010 07:39PM
Oh, and about the I-Inc brand...if you ever look at Hanns-G products, you'll see that some are the 'same' except for the badge.



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Re: Might need a new monitor. Suggestions for something on the smaller end?
Posted by: Black
Date: July 19, 2010 07:58PM
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I think your best bet is to buy a 19" or 21" TV to get the better screen that you are used to seeing.

Huh?




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Re: Might need a new monitor. Suggestions for something on the smaller end?
Posted by: Trouble
Date: July 19, 2010 08:20PM
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I think your best bet is to buy a 19" or 21" TV to get the better screen that you are used to seeing.

Huh?

With that 2ms response time it has to be a TN panel. I think Planar has an ips panel. I think your best bet is to buy a 19" or 21" TV to get the better screen that you are used to seeing.
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Re: Might need a new monitor. Suggestions for something on the smaller end?
Posted by: deckeda
Date: July 19, 2010 08:22PM
Good info, thanks onthedownlow. And I'll keep the sleep issue in mind, Gareth should I get a TV instead.
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Re: Might need a new monitor. Suggestions for something on the smaller end?
Posted by: Trouble
Date: July 19, 2010 08:57PM
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onthedownlow
So what if it is a TN panel (likely)...that is what most all LCD panels are right now.

Most cheap LCD panels. If he wants the same picture quality then he is going to want an IPS monitor. Or at least an MVA or PVA screen. A TN panel is fine if that is all someone has used, but if they are used to a better panel then why take a step back?

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onthedownlow
Shouldn't be nit-picky with the response time. While there are other factors to compare, even Apple's LCDs only have around 14-16ms response time. ; )

Not picky with the response time. Just pointing out that a 2 ms response proves it is a TN panel. Apple's monitors have a slower response time because they use an S-IPS panel; the best available.

Adding a tuner is more complexity and more expense. More cables and another remote.
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Re: Might need a new monitor. Suggestions for something on the smaller end?
Posted by: deckeda
Date: July 19, 2010 10:20PM
I don't know the differences in monitor panels. Planar still has the press release on mine from 2003: [phx.corporate-ir.net]; (mine's not nearly that old)
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Posted by: Trouble
Date: July 19, 2010 10:41PM
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deckeda
I don't know the differences in monitor panels.

Here is some good info [en.wikipedia.org]
If you look at the majority of LCD monitors at the store and you slowly move to the side, you know how the pictures darkens quickly and the colors shift? That is a TN panel. Now you know how if you look at a flatscreen LCD TV (and your current monitor) you can move to the side and the colors don't shift and the screen stays bright? That is a MVA, PVA, or IPS (the best) LCD screen.

If you are going to always view the monitor from one angle and the color shift doesn't bother you, then buy the less expensive monitor you can get. Once I started using an MVA monitor, I can't go back to TN. My current monitor uses an S-IPS panel (the same panels Apple uses). If you are content with the TN panel, then save the money. But I'd recommend getting a 19", 21", or 23" tv. You will get a great picture and you have the tuner if you want it.
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