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| racist-don-t-nig-anti-obama-bumper-sticker-162917634.html Posted by: Black
Date: March 16, 2012 07:46PM
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| Re: racist-don-t-nig-anti-obama-bumper-sticker-162917634.html Posted by: Acer
Date: March 16, 2012 08:18PM
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| Re: racist-don-t-nig-anti-obama-bumper-sticker-162917634.html Posted by: mrbigstuff
Date: March 16, 2012 10:35PM
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Black
So, what's so horrible about them showing their true colors? Are we better served by stomping down any evidence of racism that manages to see the light of day so we can pretend it doesn't exist?
| Re: racist-don-t-nig-anti-obama-bumper-sticker-162917634.html Posted by: kj
Date: March 16, 2012 11:49PM
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| Re: racist-don-t-nig-anti-obama-bumper-sticker-162917634.html Posted by: billb
Date: March 17, 2012 07:57AM
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| Re: racist-don-t-nig-anti-obama-bumper-sticker-162917634.html Posted by: decay
Date: March 17, 2012 11:49AM
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| Re: racist-don-t-nig-anti-obama-bumper-sticker-162917634.html Posted by: cbelt3
Date: March 17, 2012 11:54AM
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| Re: racist-don-t-nig-anti-obama-bumper-sticker-162917634.html Posted by: Ted King
Date: March 17, 2012 01:17PM
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cbelt3
Sticks and Stones, children...
I was called "Honky" and "Mick". So what ? Do we assume those with more melanin are somehow less proud of who they are, and have to be babied and protected from negative apellations ?This obsession is merely left-handed racism, IMHO.
| Re: racist-don-t-nig-anti-obama-bumper-sticker-162917634.html Posted by: graylocks
Date: March 17, 2012 01:27PM
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cbelt3
Sticks and Stones, children...
I was called "Honky" and "Mick". So what ? Do we assume those with more melanin are somehow less proud of who they are, and have to be babied and protected from negative apellations ?This obsession is merely left-handed racism, IMHO.
| Re: racist-don-t-nig-anti-obama-bumper-sticker-162917634.html Posted by: Uncle Wig
Date: March 17, 2012 02:33PM
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cbelt3
Sticks and Stones, children...
I was called "Honky" and "Mick". So what ? Do we assume those with more melanin are somehow less proud of who they are, and have to be babied and protected from negative apellations ?This obsession is merely left-handed racism, IMHO.


| Re: racist-don-t-nig-anti-obama-bumper-sticker-162917634.html Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: March 17, 2012 02:36PM
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| Re: racist-don-t-nig-anti-obama-bumper-sticker-162917634.html Posted by: billb
Date: March 17, 2012 04:16PM
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cbelt3
Sticks and Stones, children...
I was called "Honky" and "Mick". So what ? Do we assume those with more melanin are somehow less proud of who they are, and have to be babied and protected from negative apellations ?This obsession is merely left-handed racism, IMHO.
This is a very disappointing statement from you. Something tells me you never had this problem growing up:

| Re: racist-don-t-nig-anti-obama-bumper-sticker-162917634.html Posted by: Greg
Date: March 17, 2012 04:51PM
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| Re: racist-don-t-nig-anti-obama-bumper-sticker-162917634.html Posted by: Black
Date: March 17, 2012 04:55PM
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cbelt3
Sticks and Stones, children...
I was called "Honky" and "Mick". So what ? Do we assume those with more melanin are somehow less proud of who they are, and have to be babied and protected from negative apellations ?This obsession is merely left-handed racism, IMHO.
oh, really. and in your lifetime did you have to ride the back of the bus because you were a honky? did your 'Mickyness' deny you a promotion, or a job, or access to education? (and yes, i am aware of ethnic bias against the irish around the turn of the 20th century but never to the level of legalized, legitimized oppression of african americans.)
As Ted King points out some words have the weight of history behind them. we should not allow them to be used lightly. my son knows that the N word is not a term of brotherhood in this house despite its use among his peers o' color.
| Re: racist-don-t-nig-anti-obama-bumper-sticker-162917634.html Posted by: $tevie
Date: March 17, 2012 06:14PM
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| Re: racist-don-t-nig-anti-obama-bumper-sticker-162917634.html Posted by: graylocks
Date: March 17, 2012 06:17PM
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Would be interested to hear if people think the message in question should be suppressed, and if so, how (legally? Other?).
| Re: racist-don-t-nig-anti-obama-bumper-sticker-162917634.html Posted by: RgrF
Date: March 17, 2012 06:21PM
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| Re: racist-don-t-nig-anti-obama-bumper-sticker-162917634.html Posted by: RgrF
Date: March 17, 2012 06:26PM
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| Re: racist-don-t-nig-anti-obama-bumper-sticker-162917634.html Posted by: billb
Date: March 17, 2012 09:14PM
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Sounds like a like-mindset.Quote
RgrF
You won't see that car or others like it parading through most of America. It'll only appear in areas that are prone to such a mindset, mainly rural and probably regional and only on vehicles that don't travel much beyond their closed minded boundaries.
On the other hand it might be fun to watch what would happen if the guy were to take a wrong turn into South Central.
| Re: racist-don-t-nig-anti-obama-bumper-sticker-162917634.html Posted by: Black
Date: March 17, 2012 10:21PM
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billb
People have been "spotting" that bumper sticker for a while.
All over America.
[eclectablog.blogspot.com]
| Re: racist-don-t-nig-anti-obama-bumper-sticker-162917634.html Posted by: john dough
Date: March 17, 2012 10:38PM
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| Re: racist-don-t-nig-anti-obama-bumper-sticker-162917634.html Posted by: graylocks
Date: March 17, 2012 10:44PM
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| Re: racist-don-t-nig-anti-obama-bumper-sticker-162917634.html Posted by: Black
Date: March 17, 2012 10:50PM
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Bill isn't capable of honest dialogue.
Ironic that the ones that will not vote for Obama because he is black will happily vote for a rich white guy that cares nothing for them, and will gleefully do things that cause them the greatest economic harm (like sending their job overseas or polluting their communities or letting their roads got to hell or closing their schools).
It must suck to be racist AND a stupid f.

| Re: racist-don-t-nig-anti-obama-bumper-sticker-162917634.html Posted by: billb
Date: March 18, 2012 08:22AM
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john dough
Bill isn't capable of honest dialogue.
Ironic that the ones that will not vote for Obama because he is black will happily vote for a rich white guy that cares nothing for them, and will gleefully do things that cause them the greatest economic harm (like sending their job overseas or polluting their communities or letting their roads got to hell or closing their schools).
It must suck to be racist AND a stupid f.

| Re: racist-don-t-nig-anti-obama-bumper-sticker-162917634.html Posted by: billb
Date: March 18, 2012 08:25AM
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People have been "spotting" that bumper sticker for a while.
All over America.
[eclectablog.blogspot.com]
And how do you feel about that, billb?

| Re: racist-don-t-nig-anti-obama-bumper-sticker-162917634.html Posted by: john dough
Date: March 18, 2012 08:51AM
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| Re: racist-don-t-nig-anti-obama-bumper-sticker-162917634.html Posted by: cbelt3
Date: March 18, 2012 09:16AM
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| Re: racist-don-t-nig-anti-obama-bumper-sticker-162917634.html Posted by: Gutenberg
Date: March 18, 2012 09:54AM
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| Re: racist-don-t-nig-anti-obama-bumper-sticker-162917634.html Posted by: Ted King
Date: March 18, 2012 10:59AM
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| Re: racist-don-t-nig-anti-obama-bumper-sticker-162917634.html Posted by: graylocks
Date: March 18, 2012 11:26AM
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cbelt3
I rode in the back of the bus through East Cleveland at 2AM once after being chased there by a few angry young men in gang colors. Happy ?
| Re: racist-don-t-nig-anti-obama-bumper-sticker-162917634.html Posted by: Black
Date: March 18, 2012 02:19PM
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cbelt3
And please... "make the word illegal" ? Heloooooo thought police. Do you really want to go that path?
| Re: racist-don-t-nig-anti-obama-bumper-sticker-162917634.html Posted by: $tevie
Date: March 18, 2012 02:25PM
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| Re: racist-don-t-nig-anti-obama-bumper-sticker-162917634.html Posted by: Grace62
Date: March 18, 2012 06:23PM
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| Re: racist-don-t-nig-anti-obama-bumper-sticker-162917634.html Posted by: August West
Date: March 18, 2012 07:45PM
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| Re: racist-don-t-nig-anti-obama-bumper-sticker-162917634.html Posted by: Black
Date: March 18, 2012 08:22PM
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You can encounter these attitudes anywhere, all over the country. It's just something that ails us and even though we have freedom of speech it's surprising that anyone feels free to be so hateful, but they do.
Then you hear stories like this one...
"Fairfax County (VA) school administrators are investigating a student’s allegations of racially insensitive behavior by a veteran English teacher at George C. Marshall High School. (Falls Church)
Ninth-grader Jordan Shumate said that during class this month, he was reading aloud a poem by acclaimed African American writer Langston Hughes when his teacher interrupted and directed him to read in a “blacker” style.
“She told me, ‘Blacker, Jordan — c’mon, blacker. I thought you were black,’ ” said Shumate, who is African American.
Shumate told his mother, Nicole Cober Page, about the incident Tuesday. She complained to school administrators.
“We take these allegations very seriously, and we’re investigating,” Principal Jay Pearson said Friday. He declined to provide further details.
Shumate, 14, and his mother identified the teacher as Marilyn Bart. Bart did not respond Thursday or Friday to e-mail and phone inquiries about the incident. Records show that Bart has worked in Fairfax schools since 1990.
Another ninth-grader, Kaila Denny, said she witnessed the incident. Shumate was “just sitting there reading normally like any person would,” Denny said, when Bart instructed him to speak “blacker.”
Shumate said that when he refused to continue reading the poem, Bart read it aloud herself, demonstrating what she meant.
“She sounded like a maid in the 1960s,” Shumate said. “She read the poem like a slave, basically.”
Shumate said he asked Bart that day whether she thinks all black people speak that way. She reprimanded him for talking out of turn, he said, and told him to take his seat.
Cober Page said she spoke with Pearson by telephone Friday about the incident but learned nothing more from him about Bart’s side of the story.
“My feeling is that he is an advocate for the kids and wants this to be taken seriously,” Cober Page said of the principal.
The poem Shumate read in class was Hughes’s “Ballad of the Landlord.” The poem, written in 1940, tells of a black tenant thrown in jail for challenging a deadbeat landlord.
“Landlord, landlord,” it begins. “My roof has sprung a leak./Don’t you ’member I told you about it/Way last week?”
If the teacher thought the poem should be delivered in a Southern dialect, she could have said so without referring to race, Cober Page said.
Shumate said it wasn’t the only time that he felt singled out in English class because of his race.
This week, in preparation for reading literature about the Holocaust, the teacher showed photographs to illustrate common stereotypes about different groups of people, Shumate said.
Shumate said Bart showed an image of grape soda — a drink of choice among African Americans, according to a racial stereotype — and asked him to explain its meaning. Denny corroborated his account.
“I do know the stereotypes,” Shumate said, “but she could change the questions so I’m not like the king of black people.”
[www.washingtonpost.com]
| Re: racist-don-t-nig-anti-obama-bumper-sticker-162917634.html Posted by: Grace62
Date: March 18, 2012 10:16PM
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Deserves its own thread.
The "talking out of turn" comment suggests there's a chance this teacher could be an ignoramis, but my money is on this possibly being a great teacher with the potential to turn out students with a deeper understanding of race, culture, and history than they might get from someone just going through the motions and taking pains not to call any attention to themselves professionally.
| Re: racist-don-t-nig-anti-obama-bumper-sticker-162917634.html Posted by: Black
Date: March 18, 2012 10:42PM
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Agree that more needs to be known to make an assessment, hence my use of "possible." I missed that there was only one black kid in the class somehow and assumed it was a predominantly or completely African-American school. I also assumed the teacher was black. In re-reading, I can see from context that the fact that the kid feels singled out often suggests my assumptions are wrong, but otherwise I don't see anything definitive.Quote
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Deserves its own thread.
The "talking out of turn" comment suggests there's a chance this teacher could be an ignoramis, but my money is on this possibly being a great teacher with the potential to turn out students with a deeper understanding of race, culture, and history than they might get from someone just going through the motions and taking pains not to call any attention to themselves professionally.
I'd want to know more about the teacher and her intentions. All I know is that she is around 65 and has been teaching at the school for 22 years. It's an unusual thing for an experienced teacher to do, and if the student felt humiliated by it I have a hard time seeing how she was helping or what she was teaching. This is a famous poem with many recorded readings, she could have played a recording of it being read "in character" instead of calling on the only black kid in the class to do so, when he didn't volunteer.
I'm not gonna fall into "some of my best friends" here but based on what I know I don't think "talking black" is particularly 'charged', at least among people my age and younger.Quote
Saying that a black person was "talking white" or "talking black" was a very racially charged thing to say when I was growing up in the south, definitely considered very rude. Maybe she just made a poor word choice, absent more information that's the best I can think that happened here.
| Re: racist-don-t-nig-anti-obama-bumper-sticker-162917634.html Posted by: decay
Date: March 19, 2012 11:42AM
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| Re: racist-don-t-nig-anti-obama-bumper-sticker-162917634.html Posted by: graylocks
Date: March 19, 2012 11:43AM
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| Re: racist-don-t-nig-anti-obama-bumper-sticker-162917634.html Posted by: SteveO
Date: March 21, 2012 10:50AM
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