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"Pretend it's Obama"
Posted by: Dennis S
Date: March 23, 2012 02:20PM
Some idiot in Louisiana said this before Santorum fired a round at a firing range.

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I hope she gets the full Secret Service treatment.
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Re: "Pretend it's Obama"
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: March 23, 2012 03:54PM
I believe under the current US Code, she should. Which will definitely cause more foolish feces commentary.
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Re: "Pretend it's Obama"
Posted by: Black
Date: March 23, 2012 05:07PM
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Dennis S
I hope she gets the full Secret Service treatment.

Really? Do you think this woman is likely to try to kill Obama?




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Re: "Pretend it's Obama"
Posted by: Dennis S
Date: March 23, 2012 05:36PM
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Black
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Dennis S
I hope she gets the full Secret Service treatment.

Really? Do you think this woman is likely to try to kill Obama?

No, I don't. But I do hope she gets the full Secret Service treatment.
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Re: "Pretend it's Obama"
Posted by: Grace62
Date: March 23, 2012 06:01PM
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Dennis S

No, I don't. But I do hope she gets the full Secret Service treatment.

They are "looking into it."
[www.nationaljournal.com]

This lady must be a blast at parties.
Santorum handled it well, he must have some of the same thoughts that McCain did at rallies in '08, "how exactly did I get this fan base?"
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Re: "Pretend it's Obama"
Posted by: Black
Date: March 23, 2012 07:04PM
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Grace62
Santorum handled it well

Grudgingly agree.




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Re: "Pretend it's Obama"
Posted by: Gutenberg
Date: March 23, 2012 07:05PM
I am afraid the woman thinks she was being witty.
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Re: "Pretend it's Obama"
Posted by: decay
Date: March 23, 2012 10:07PM
a Hazy Shade of Criminal...



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Re: "Pretend it's Obama"
Posted by: Chakravartin
Date: March 24, 2012 07:24AM
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Gutenberg
I am afraid the woman thinks she was being witty.

I'm afraid that saying things in bad taste is a criminal act.
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Re: "Pretend it's Obama"
Posted by: billb
Date: March 24, 2012 08:53AM
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Gutenberg
I am afraid the woman thinks she was being witty.

Witty would have been suggesting Wasilla Hillbilly.
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Re: "Pretend it's Obama"
Posted by: $tevie
Date: March 24, 2012 10:45AM
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Gutenberg
I am afraid the woman thinks she was being witty.

I'm afraid that saying things in bad taste is a criminal act.
That doesn't negate the idea that the woman thinks bad taste and death theats are witty. She's obviously not a Rhodes Scholar.



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Re: "Pretend it's Obama"
Posted by: Chakravartin
Date: March 24, 2012 11:35AM
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Gutenberg
I am afraid the woman thinks she was being witty.

I'm afraid that saying things in bad taste is a criminal act.
That doesn't negate the idea that the woman thinks bad taste and death theats are witty. She's obviously not a Rhodes Scholar.

Santorum isn't going after the Rhodes Scholar vote.
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Re: "Pretend it's Obama"
Posted by: $tevie
Date: March 24, 2012 01:31PM
So true.



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Re: "Pretend it's Obama"
Posted by: Spock
Date: March 24, 2012 01:32PM
Q. Senator Santorum, are you going after the Rhodes Scholar vote?

A. No, Rhode Island's education is much too progressive.






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Re: "Pretend it's Obama"
Posted by: $tevie
Date: March 24, 2012 01:35PM
LOL, Spock!
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Re: "Pretend it's Obama"
Posted by: Black
Date: March 24, 2012 03:00PM
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Gutenberg
I am afraid the woman thinks she was being witty.

I'm afraid that saying things in bad taste is a criminal act.

I'm afraid that there seems to be growing acceptance for criminalization of saying things in bad taste.




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Re: "Pretend it's Obama"
Posted by: decay
Date: March 24, 2012 10:08PM
threatening the President's life, even in jest, even in effigy, isn't a good idea.

[www.law.cornell.edu]

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A Threat From the Pulpit

(From the Washington Times, 12/27/96, page A5.)

"God will hold you to account, Mr. President."

"--Rev. Rob Shenck, to President Clinton during a Christmas Eve church service at the Washington National Cathedral, referring to the president's veto of a ban on partial-birth abortion. After the service, Rev. Shenck was detained by Secret Service agents who accused him of threatening the President's life. No charges were filed."



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Re: "Pretend it's Obama"
Posted by: Chakravartin
Date: March 24, 2012 10:18PM
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decay
threatening the President's life, even in jest, even in effigy, isn't a good idea.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble...
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Re: "Pretend it's Obama"
Posted by: freeradical
Date: March 24, 2012 10:39PM
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decay
threatening the President's life, even in jest, even in effigy, isn't a good idea.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble...

Those are just words. What do they matter?
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Re: "Pretend it's Obama"
Posted by: Grace62
Date: March 24, 2012 10:57PM
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decay
(From the Washington Times, 12/27/96, page A5.)

"God will hold you to account, Mr. President."

"--Rev. Rob Shenck, to President Clinton during a Christmas Eve church service at the Washington National Cathedral, referring to the president's veto of a ban on partial-birth abortion. After the service, Rev. Shenck was detained by Secret Service agents who accused him of threatening the President's life. No charges were filed."

There's a little more to that story. The Shenck twins (appropriately rhymes with @#$%&) have been involved in militant anti-choice activities and this was not their first law enforcment run in involving Pres. Clinton. If a person of that persuasion and history said to me or anyone "God will hold you to account" I would definitely treat it as a death threat.
I didn't think this was said "from the pulpit" because I can't imagine that anyone would let Shenck officiate at the National Cathedral. I thought he just walked up to the President and said that.
Not taking those people seriously has left a trail of dead and injured people.
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Re: "Pretend it's Obama"
Posted by: RgrF
Date: March 24, 2012 11:02PM
"Stop throwing the Constitution in my face," Bush screamed back. "It's just a goddamned piece of paper!" I've talked to three people present for the meeting that .. -George W. Bush
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Re: "Pretend it's Obama"
Posted by: $tevie
Date: March 24, 2012 11:46PM
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The First Amendment to the Constitution declares that "Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech." But not all speech is protected by the Constitution. Exceptions exist for speech that is obscene, that presents a clear and present danger, for "fighting words," or for speech intended to incite "imminent lawless action."

Another kind of speech that is not protected is a "true threat" — something that a reasonable listener would understand as an actual threat of violence.

In Watts v. U.S (1969), the Supreme Court ruled that a man protesting the draft hadn't issued a true threat when he said that he would shoot President Lyndon Johnson as soon as he was issued a rifle. According to the high court, the context of the man's speech made it clear that he wouldn't actually shoot the president and was simply engaging in political hyperbole.

[www.splcenter.org]



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Re: "Pretend it's Obama"
Posted by: decay
Date: March 25, 2012 08:29AM
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decay
threatening the President's life, even in jest, even in effigy, isn't a good idea.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble...

i dare you to start yelling FIRE! in a crowded movie theater...



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Re: "Pretend it's Obama"
Posted by: Black
Date: March 25, 2012 03:12PM
"I don't give a goddamn," Bush retorted. "I'm the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way."

OK, Let's try some "pretend it's Obama" on that.


"I don't give a goddamn," Obama retorted. "I'm the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way."




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Re: "Pretend it's Obama"
Posted by: Chakravartin
Date: March 25, 2012 03:53PM
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decay
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decay
threatening the President's life, even in jest, even in effigy, isn't a good idea.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble...

i dare you to start yelling FIRE! in a crowded movie theater...

...Because incitement to riot is exactly the same as inviting someone to use his imagination.
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Re: "Pretend it's Obama"
Posted by: decay
Date: March 25, 2012 09:59PM
you could phrase yelling fire in a theatre "inviting someone to use his imagination" if you wanted to be contrary, too.



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Re: "Pretend it's Obama"
Posted by: decay
Date: March 25, 2012 10:10PM
By Toby Harnden in Washington
8:34PM BST 03 Aug 2009

"Since Mr Obama took office, the rate of threats against the president has increased 400 per cent from the 3,000 a year or so under President George W. Bush, according to Ronald Kessler, author of In the President's Secret Service.

Some threats to Mr Obama, whose Secret Service codename is Renegade, have been publicised, including an alleged plot by white supremacists in Tennessee late last year to rob a gun store, shoot 88 black people, decapitate another 14 and then assassinate the first black president in American history.

Most however, are kept under wraps because the Secret Service fears that revealing details of them would only increase the number of copycat attempts. Although most threats are not credible, each one has to be investigated meticulously."

[www.telegraph.co.uk]



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