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Obama lies again
Posted by: swampy
Date: April 05, 2012 10:27AM
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Doesn't it bother the liberals here that Obama has injected himself into the Supreme Court's current decision on health care with his lies, half truths and scare tactics?

Obama is a graduate of Harvard Law School and majored in Constitutional law. He was a professor of Constitutional Law at Chicago University. HOW could he get this so wrong? He's trying to back peddle this, but anyone with any intelligence knows how wrong he is. Either he's just plain stupid or he thinks the public is stupid and will buy his "facts".




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Re: Obama lies again
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: April 05, 2012 10:38AM
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swampy
Doesn't it bother the liberals Republicans here that Obama (insert any GOP poltician name here) has injected himself into the Supreme Court's current decision on health care with his lies, half truths and scare tactics?

there fixed that for you...

There are plenty of lies to go around, why limit it to one individual?


You can tell a lot about a woman by her hands...
- For example, if they are wrapped around your throat she's probably slightly upset.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/05/2012 10:38AM by Ombligo.
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Re: Obama lies again
Posted by: $tevie
Date: April 05, 2012 10:38AM
Those comments did disturb me. He sounds as if he's decided to take a page from the right-wing playbook, but it was the wrong page as far as I am concerned.


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Re: Obama lies again
Posted by: davester
Date: April 05, 2012 10:44AM
Perhaps he needs to get some lessons from Rick "California universities don't even teach US history" Santorum and Mitt "I've never supported anything like Romneycare...err...ah...Obamacare in my life" Romney about how to keep his facts straight.)



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Re: Obama lies again
Posted by: Gutenberg
Date: April 05, 2012 11:00AM
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$tevie
Those comments did disturb me. He sounds as if he's decided to take a page from the right-wing playbook, but it was the wrong page as far as I am concerned.

Bingo. Don't descend to the GOP's level.

On the other hand, the Supremes have drastically overstepped their bounds. The debate last week sounded more like a Congressional debate than a reasoned legal discussion of a bill passed by representatives of the people and signed by the executive. The Supremes need to mind the system of checks and balances themselves. Any of them is welcome to run for Congress if he wants. Those who do not should stick to the knitting of jurisprudence.

It does not matter if the Supremes agree with the law. What matters is its constitutionality, and I think the Affordable Care Act is well within precedent.
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Re: Obama lies again
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: April 05, 2012 11:07AM
Sounds more like just election year speak rather than 'lies' to me.

The term 'judicial activism' is hysterically amusing. Why is it that the side that lost the case always claims 'judicial activism' ? angry villagers smiley

Instead of admitting "Our lawyers screwed up." ? confused smiley
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Re: Obama lies again
Posted by: mattkime
Date: April 05, 2012 11:15AM
Swampy - does it bother you that obama is still president?


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Re: Obama lies again
Posted by: swampy
Date: April 05, 2012 11:38AM
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mattkime
Swampy - does it bother you that obama is still president?

No, that doesn't bother me. It would bother me a great deal if he were to get re-elected though. I don't like him. I don't like the direction he is taking our country. I don't like his arrogance or constant need to pit factions of our country against each other. He seems to like picking fights and picking sides. He's supposed to be the leader of all the people not just those of the liberal faith. I'm tired of him blaming the other half of the nation for everything that goes wrong instead. of LEADING he is constantly pushing the rope.

For example, he gets petulant when things like the (read his Democratic) Senate rejects his budget proposal 97-0. How can he blame that on Republicans when no one in his own party could vote for it?

The Constitutions calls for the Congress to vote on a budget annually (it doesn't call for them to pass a budget, just bring it to a vote). That's LAW. Yet Harry Reid and the Dems won't even bring it to the floor for a vote. That's flaunting the law. Yet Obama continues to blame Republicans. The Republicans are not the ones holding up a budget vote. They passed a budget in the House. It's his own party that is literally breaking the law. You liberals here defend this blatant disregard of the LAW. I just don't understand how you justify this sort of thing in your own mind. What part of the LAW don't you understand?




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Re: Obama lies again
Posted by: August West
Date: April 05, 2012 12:03PM
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Swampy
The Constitutions calls for the Congress to vote on a budget annually...What part of the LAW don't you understand?

Because, in your eyes, I am sure I am some sort of liberal, and due to that, I don't have my constitution handy (I probably mistook it for a simple piece of paper and threw it out), could you remind me which Article and Section requires the annual budget vote?
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Re: Obama lies again
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: April 05, 2012 12:07PM
Swampy,
It would be easy to completely flip what you just said above and apply it to the Republicans. I see them being just as devisive, if not moreso.

That makes your statement the perfect example of how the art of compromise is gone and any agreement with the opposition is now seen as a defeat. Until both sides of the aisle get past such stupidity - we are going to continue a downward slide regardless of who is President.


You can tell a lot about a woman by her hands...
- For example, if they are wrapped around your throat she's probably slightly upset.
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Re: Obama lies again
Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: April 05, 2012 12:21PM
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swampy
It would bother me a great deal if he were to get re-elected though. I don't like him.


Sorry. Better luck in 2016.
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Re: Obama lies again
Posted by: mattkime
Date: April 05, 2012 12:25PM
>>I don't like the direction he is taking our country.

What direction is that?


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Re: Obama lies again
Posted by: Pam
Date: April 05, 2012 12:40PM
Where's the lie?

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Re: Obama lies again
Posted by: mick e
Date: April 05, 2012 12:45PM
swampy is absolutely THE most qualified member of the forum on this subject.



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Re: Obama lies again
Posted by: davester
Date: April 05, 2012 12:48PM
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swampy
The Constitutions calls for the Congress to vote on a budget annually (it doesn't call for them to pass a budget, just bring it to a vote). That's LAW. Yet Harry Reid and the Dems won't even bring it to the floor for a vote. That's flaunting the law. Yet Obama continues to blame Republicans. The Republicans are not the ones holding up a budget vote. They passed a budget in the House. It's his own party that is literally breaking the law. You liberals here defend this blatant disregard of the LAW. I just don't understand how you justify this sort of thing in your own mind. What part of the LAW don't you understand?

Please explain where you came up with this supposed constitutional requirement. Where do you get facts like these...am talk radio?



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Re: Obama lies again
Posted by: rjmacs
Date: April 05, 2012 01:09PM
The President was way off the mark on this one. Nonetheless, if the Affordable Care Act survives, it will be because the Congress is given broad latitude by the SCotUS to legislate without court interference. Even when the justices personally dislike the laws.


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Re: Obama lies again
Posted by: billb
Date: April 05, 2012 01:10PM
Worst President ever.
Add to long list of democrat historical failures with Clinton and Carter and elect McKinney in 2016
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Re: Obama lies again
Posted by: $tevie
Date: April 05, 2012 01:18PM
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Surprisingly, the U.S. Constitution makes no provisions for a federal budget and, in fact, the federal government operated without a comprehensive budget process until 1921. The Budget and Accounting Act of 1921, which has been amended many times, provides for a federal budget system and requires the President to prepare and submit an annual budget to Congress each year. The Act established the Bureau of the Budget—now the Office of Management and Budget (OMB)—to help the President prepare and implement the federal budget, and defines the role of the President and federal agencies in the process.
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The Constitution grants the "power of the purse" to Congress, but does not establish any specific procedure for the consideration of budgetary legislation. Instead, a number of laws and congressional rules contribute to the federal budget process, with two statutes in particular forming the basic framework.
...
The President is required to submit to Congress a proposed budget by the first Monday in February. Although this budget does not have the force of law, it is a comprehensive examination of federal revenues and spending, including any initiatives recommended by the President, and is the start of extensive interaction with Congress.
[budget.house.gov]
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Re: Obama lies again
Posted by: Dennis S
Date: April 05, 2012 01:53PM
Man Bites Dog.
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Re: Obama lies again
Posted by: decay
Date: April 05, 2012 01:58PM
in other news, all politicians lie, much (or most) of the time.

all parties, both genders.

maybe we need more atheists in office, since the believers can't seem to do the right thing?




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Re: Obama lies again
Posted by: john dough
Date: April 05, 2012 02:51PM



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Re: Obama lies again
Posted by: john dough
Date: April 05, 2012 02:54PM
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$tevie
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Surprisingly, the U.S. Constitution makes no provisions for a federal budget and, in fact, the federal government operated without a comprehensive budget process until 1921. The Budget and Accounting Act of 1921, which has been amended many times, provides for a federal budget system and requires the President to prepare and submit an annual budget to Congress each year. The Act established the Bureau of the Budget—now the Office of Management and Budget (OMB)—to help the President prepare and implement the federal budget, and defines the role of the President and federal agencies in the process.
[www.capitolmarkets.com]

Quote

The Constitution grants the "power of the purse" to Congress, but does not establish any specific procedure for the consideration of budgetary legislation. Instead, a number of laws and congressional rules contribute to the federal budget process, with two statutes in particular forming the basic framework.
...
The President is required to submit to Congress a proposed budget by the first Monday in February. Although this budget does not have the force of law, it is a comprehensive examination of federal revenues and spending, including any initiatives recommended by the President, and is the start of extensive interaction with Congress.
[budget.house.gov]

Wow, Swampy, now that your premise is demolished, what have you to say now? Any retractions?






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Re: Obama lies again
Posted by: Dennis S
Date: April 05, 2012 02:54PM
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swampy
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mattkime
Swampy - does it bother you that obama is still president?
No, that doesn't bother me.

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Re: Obama lies again
Posted by: hal
Date: April 05, 2012 03:28PM
This time, Swampy is absolutely correct. The article that she cited claims that Obama's claim is wrong and it is.

If the Supreme Court throws out the federal health care law, it "would be an unprecedented, extraordinary step of overturning a law that was passed by a strong majority of a democratically elected Congress."

AND he's certainly smarted enough and educated enough to know the truth. ALL TRUE...

But why she considers this a serious crime is beyond me... this is common election year BS.

But it bothers me that Obama is somehow claiming that a law passed by a majority in congress means that it can't be unconstitutional - that such laws have never been overturned by the court. Bald faced lie...
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Re: Obama lies again
Posted by: Uncle Wig
Date: April 05, 2012 03:44PM
It was a stupid thing for Obama to say, and very noticeable because he doesn't often say such stupid things.

The problem I have with this thread, as usual, is Swampy herself: she's so blindly partisan that it only bothers her when a Liberal and/or a Democrat does something questionable. But the same behavior from "her side" gets a pass. E.g, Santorum claiming that California universities do not teach history. Or, ...one could go on and on and on.

And, as usual, when her often incorrect "facts" are refuted, she's got nothing else to say.



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Re: Obama lies again
Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: April 05, 2012 03:44PM
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hal
But why she considers this a serious crime is beyond me...

Swampy is a birther. Obama just being President is a serious crime in her eyes.
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Re: Obama lies again
Posted by: August West
Date: April 05, 2012 03:57PM
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Swampy is a birther. Obama just being President is a serious crime in her eyes.

Now, now, we must consider that President Obama is "petulant" also.
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Re: Obama lies again
Posted by: $tevie
Date: April 05, 2012 04:11PM
I think we were just cautioned that threads are to be about the topic and not about the participants, were we not?


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Re: Obama lies again
Posted by: Greg
Date: April 05, 2012 05:53PM
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$tevie
I think we were just cautioned that threads are to be about the topic and not about the participants, were we not?

Oh, sure. Make it all about you, as usual.
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Re: Obama lies again
Posted by: Sam3
Date: April 05, 2012 07:26PM
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$tevie
I think we were just cautioned that threads are to be about the topic and not about the participants, were we not?

Thank you $tevie.
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Re: Obama lies again
Posted by: Acer
Date: April 05, 2012 07:51PM
I think it's soundbite punditry to denounce Obama for this.

How about we consider the "clarified" view that uses administration comments after the juicy soundbite in the OP's link: that the health care law is as socially significant as Social Security and Medicare, so you have a basis for the argument that striking down sweeping social-welfare legislation is unprecedented in the modern, post-1929 era, at least.

I don't deny it sounds ad hoc like Obama digging himself (with help) out of a rhetorical hole, but this is big stuff. I don't see why Obama can't be allowed a few tries to refine his case.

To travel down the slippery slope, if ACA is struck down, what constitutional authority is behind Medicare and Social Security to protect them from a similar challenge? Or Welfare? Or Unemployment?



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Re: Obama lies again
Posted by: Grateful11
Date: April 05, 2012 08:27PM
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mattkime
>>I don't like the direction he is taking our country.

What direction is that?

That's what I wanted to ask, somehow I figured you wouldn't get an answer.
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Re: Obama lies again
Posted by: Dennis S
Date: April 05, 2012 08:54PM
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Re: Obama lies again
Posted by: john dough
Date: April 05, 2012 09:33PM
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Grateful11
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mattkime
>>I don't like the direction he is taking our country.

What direction is that?

That's what I wanted to ask, somehow I figured you wouldn't get an answer.

Good luck getting an answer from a hit and run poster. She can dish it out but she cannot back it up.


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