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Self Defense?
Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: April 16, 2012 04:01AM
No, this is not about Trayvon Martin.

Just got a "Breaking News" email saying:

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CNN
Anders Behring Breivik pleads not guilty to Norway attacks, claims he killed 77 people "in self-defense."

I guess "the gun went off while I was cleaning it" was too far-fetched.

[edition.cnn.com]
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Re: Self Defense?
Posted by: billb
Date: April 16, 2012 06:34AM
The Muslims are coming, the Muslims are coming !
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Re: Self Defense?
Posted by: mick e
Date: April 16, 2012 06:44AM
Hey - cut the guy some slack. It is entirely likely that some of those kids were pelting him with Skittles and offering him some iced tea. He needed to STAND HIS GROUND!!!!




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Re: Self Defense?
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: April 16, 2012 08:48AM
Self defense because even paranoids have enemies. I expect it's an insanity plea, but they found him sane (enough) to stand trial.
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Re: Self Defense?
Posted by: Black
Date: April 16, 2012 09:17AM
As deftly postulated in Farenheit 911-- we're drowning in guns and murders because we're consumed with fear.



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Re: Self Defense?
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: April 16, 2012 09:47AM
"I do not recognize the Norwegian court. You've gotten your mandate from political parties that support multiculturalism," he said.

"OK, we will make a note of that general objection," Judge Wenche Elizabeth Arntzen said curtly.



You get the feeling she'll be saying that a lot during this trial.

It'll be good for Norwegians when this trial is over. Not that anything particularly for victims' families can lessen this, but at least get his face out of the news.
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Re: Self Defense?
Posted by: wave rider
Date: April 16, 2012 04:49PM
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Black
As deftly postulated in Farenheit 911-- we're drowning in guns and murders because we're consumed with fear.

agree smiley

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Re: Self Defense?
Posted by: $tevie
Date: April 16, 2012 05:07PM
I saw the other day that Missouri State lawmakers are reviewing legislation to block cities from using local restrictions to ban concealed handguns on city buses and trains. And I was saying to my husband, why do these lawmakers assume that life is going to be wonderful if I can ride on a bus with half or more riders carrying concealed weapons? Frankly, the idea is frightening to me. I can very easily imagine a gun fight breaking out for no reason better than someone wouldn't give up their seat to somebody, or some such thing. Fortunately, I don't live in Missouri, but just the idea of it gets me wound up.



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Re: Self Defense?
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: April 16, 2012 06:06PM
Great article in this week's New Yorker about the history of gun control and how we got to where we are:
[www.newyorker.com]
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Re: Self Defense?
Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: April 17, 2012 02:28AM
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$tevie
I can very easily imagine a gun fight breaking out for no reason better than someone wouldn't give up their seat to somebody, or some such thing.


"Sit Your Ground" laws?
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Re: Self Defense?
Posted by: Dennis S
Date: April 17, 2012 02:32AM
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Lux Interior
No, this is not about Trayvon Martin.

Just got a "Breaking News" email saying:

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CNN
Anders Behring Breivik pleads not guilty to Norway attacks, claims he killed 77 people "in self-defense."

I guess "the gun went off while I was cleaning it" was too far-fetched.

[edition.cnn.com]

Beats "Twinkies."
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Re: Self Defense?
Posted by: mattkime
Date: April 17, 2012 05:18AM
The current concern with conceal and carry laws and similar is a showy symbol more (like a peacock feather) than its a functional law.

the benefits of these laws are typically spoken of in ideals rather than practical application. in this manner i don't think any NRA types (or mainsteam republicans at this point) care if any real work changes occur. after all, we're finally "free"

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$tevie
I saw the other day that Missouri State lawmakers are reviewing legislation to block cities from using local restrictions to ban concealed handguns on city buses and trains. And I was saying to my husband, why do these lawmakers assume that life is going to be wonderful if I can ride on a bus with half or more riders carrying concealed weapons? Frankly, the idea is frightening to me. I can very easily imagine a gun fight breaking out for no reason better than someone wouldn't give up their seat to somebody, or some such thing. Fortunately, I don't live in Missouri, but just the idea of it gets me wound up.



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Re: Self Defense?
Posted by: Ca Bob
Date: April 17, 2012 11:42PM
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$tevie
I saw the other day that Missouri State lawmakers are reviewing legislation to block cities from using local restrictions to ban concealed handguns on city buses and trains. And I was saying to my husband, why do these lawmakers assume that life is going to be wonderful if I can ride on a bus with half or more riders carrying concealed weapons? Frankly, the idea is frightening to me. I can very easily imagine a gun fight breaking out for no reason better than someone wouldn't give up their seat to somebody, or some such thing. Fortunately, I don't live in Missouri, but just the idea of it gets me wound up.


I invite good jokes about the "show me" state.

On a more serious level, I suspect that the majority of voters don't care all that much one way or the other about gun control laws, except to the effect that there ought to be some reasonable level of regulation. They aren't involved enough to vote against an elected official who caves to NRA pressure. Meanwhile, there is the ten percent (or twenty percent, or whatever) of voters who are obsessed with losing their virility or guns or second amendment rights, or whatever they think of it as being, and that is enough to turn a primary election or defeat an incumbent. That's why politicians in red and purple states are acting so weirdly on these issues -- they get driven by the nutters in their own legislatures, and they don't want to be politically targeted, so they try to keep their heads down and hope that the other house of the legislature buries the worst bills in committee.
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Re: Self Defense?
Posted by: Spock
Date: April 18, 2012 08:05AM
The bloody hand of the NRA can be seen here again. Florida's Republicans last year, 2011, enacted an absolute prohibition on local municipalities making ordinances or regulations relating to firearms, ammunition, or components thereof.

The intent of Florida's new gun law is to declare all local ordinances and regulations null and void which have been enacted by any jurisdictions other than the State of Florida and the federal government.

Any local official who attempts to enforce an illegal local regulation or local ordinance faces a $5,000 fine that must be paid by the local official personally. In fact, no local funds can be used to defend the action except that a public defender or appointed counsel can be provided to an indigent person accused of this crime. Furthermore, the local official also faces being removed from office by the Governor of the State of Florida.







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Re: Self Defense?
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: April 18, 2012 09:55AM
^^

That law is already having a stupid effect -- Tampa can not ban handguns from the weapons-free safezone surrounding the GOP Convention. So toy or replica guns are illegal, but real loaded handguns are allowed.



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