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Sitting Out Obama
Posted by: DaveS
Date: May 01, 2012 09:51AM
Some time back someone posted a question regarding the reason(s) or lack thereof for such little investment in the economy by those with the ability to do so. IMHO some reasonable insights offer here:

[www.nationalreview.com]

... Most economists since 2009 have been completely wrong in their forecasts, reminding us that their supposedly data-driven discipline is more an art than a science. After all, a great deal of money is invested and spent — or not — based largely on perceptions, hunches, and emotions rather than a 100 percent certainty of profit or loss. And the message Americans are getting is that the Obama administration is hostile to investment and business, and thus should be waited out.
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Re: Sitting Out Obama
Posted by: mattkime
Date: May 01, 2012 10:18AM
>>And the message Americans are getting is that the Obama administration is hostile to investment and business

Yes, and that message is being delivered by the National Review.

Surprise Surprise



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Re: Sitting Out Obama
Posted by: swampy
Date: May 01, 2012 10:24AM
It's also being delivered in the reflection of my sales.





If you don't stand for something, you'll probably fall for anything.
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Re: Sitting Out Obama
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: May 01, 2012 10:39AM
That's why the stock market has stayed where Bush left it since Obama took office.

Oh, wait.
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Re: Sitting Out Obama
Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: May 01, 2012 10:57AM
The investments that I made in early 2009 have done quite well. Too bad that others have chosen to invest based on emotion. Their loss (literally).
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Re: Sitting Out Obama
Posted by: mattkime
Date: May 01, 2012 11:07AM
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swampy
It's also being delivered in the reflection of my sales.

whatcha sellin?
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Re: Sitting Out Obama
Posted by: john dough
Date: May 01, 2012 11:51AM
That's it! I am voting for Mitt!

Thanks for sharing such an un-biased, honest link!



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Re: Sitting Out Obama
Posted by: $tevie
Date: May 01, 2012 11:51AM
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The net result is that those with capital, even if they are small businesses, do not believe that the Obama administration likes them. They feel that regulations will increase, that taxes will increase, that energy costs will increase, and that as they pay more to government and keep less, government will nevertheless become even more arrogant and inefficient — and they will become even more demonized.
His first term has only 8 months left to it. Exactly when will this stuff happen, for God's sake? I hope they aren't holding their breath because they must be blue by now.

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Countless times each day...an unemployed worker wonders whether it is not wiser to receive all two years of federal benefits before reentering the work force.
What an arrogant c*cks*ck*r. I hate people with jobs who think that the unemployed are grooving on not working and aren't attempting to find work.



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Re: Sitting Out Obama
Posted by: swampy
Date: May 01, 2012 12:03PM
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mattkime
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swampy
It's also being delivered in the reflection of my sales.

whatcha sellin?

Advertising. The first thing a lot of businesses cut back on in hard times.





If you don't stand for something, you'll probably fall for anything.
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Re: Sitting Out Obama
Posted by: john dough
Date: May 01, 2012 12:37PM
Yep, Obama had everything to do with where things are at. No way at all it had anything to do with the prior guy (he did such a bang up job, after all).

The economy under Bush was booming, right?



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Re: Sitting Out Obama
Posted by: billb
Date: May 01, 2012 12:40PM
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john dough
Yep, Obama had everything to do with where things are at. No way at all it had anything to do with the prior guy (he did such a bang up job, after all).

The economy under Bush was booming, right?

There certainly was no housing bubble to pop.
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Re: Sitting Out Obama
Posted by: Gutenberg
Date: May 01, 2012 12:41PM
The economy was booming for a while, but then it deflated like a whoopee cushion.
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Re: Sitting Out Obama
Posted by: john dough
Date: May 01, 2012 01:00PM
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billb
There certainly was no housing bubble to pop.

Yep, Obama inherited NOTHING and all was blue sky under Bush. Have any more fantasies to spin?

Obama is not doing as good a job as I had hoped, yet the Bush years were some of the most corrupt, least accounted for years we have seen in this country (for sure, the most corrupt in my life). If you want to compare presidencies, just let me know.

If you are voting for Mitt, what is ONE thing that he would do BETTER than Obama?







Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/01/2012 01:00PM by john dough.
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Re: Sitting Out Obama
Posted by: mattkime
Date: May 01, 2012 01:21PM
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swampy
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swampy
It's also being delivered in the reflection of my sales.

whatcha sellin?

Advertising. The first thing a lot of businesses cut back on in hard times.

funny, me too. we're doing well.
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Re: Sitting Out Obama
Posted by: decay
Date: May 01, 2012 01:28PM
C.S. Monitor seems fairly balanced, spin-wise. Read some articles there if you want to avoid Fox & MSN.

[www.csmonitor.com]

US manufacturing on the rise

Manufacturing activity improved in April. At 54.8 the purchasing manager’s composite index (PMI) rose 2.62 percent since March, remaining 8.21 percent below the level seen a year earlier.

Today, the Institute for Supply Management released their latest Report on Business for the manufacturing sector indicating that manufacturing activity improved in April.

At 54.8 the purchasing manager’s composite index (PMI) rose 2.62% since March remaining 8.21% below the level seen a year earlier.

Respondents indicated that while there is still some slowness and caution, outlook was overall positive going forward:

"We expect our production levels to remain at the current level or increase over the next quarter." (Chemical Products)

"In general, demand remains strong for products, and we [are experiencing] more supply disruptions now than four to five months ago." (Machinery)

"The economy was off to a good start through the first quarter, but the European issues keep coming up as well as the recent disappointing jobs report. It appears that some of the early gains may be temporary." (Fabricated Metal Products)

"Warm weather in Midwest appears to have helped soft drink sales." (Food, Beverage & Tobacco Products)

"Positive increase in volume of sales and orders, and slight uptick in inventories, indicate the overall outlook remains robust through summer at least." (Miscellaneous Manufacturing)

"Sales are slowing." (Computer & Electronic Products)

"Business conditions on a national scale have a very positive outlook for the commercial metals we provide. At this point, we have outperformed each quarter's goal and anticipate a strong finish." (Primary Metals)

"Strong demand [compared to] previous year." (Plastics & Rubber Products)

"Business indicators suggest a stronger stability in overall environment. Production and orders are stable." (Transportation Equipment)

"Business conditions continue to improve." (Furniture & Related Products)





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Re: Sitting Out Obama
Posted by: swampy
Date: May 01, 2012 01:34PM
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swampy
It's also being delivered in the reflection of my sales.

whatcha sellin?

Advertising. The first thing a lot of businesses cut back on in hard times.

funny, me too. we're doing well.

It's starting to pick up, but my demographic is going to make it slow. A 65% retiree population (second highest county in the nation), no corporate headquarters, cows, oranges and lots of cowboys. The local political campaigns are bringing good business.





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Re: Sitting Out Obama
Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: May 01, 2012 02:03PM
Biff would have blame Obama, too.
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Re: Sitting Out Obama
Posted by: lafinfil
Date: May 01, 2012 02:08PM
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swampy
It's also being delivered in the reflection of my sales.

whatcha sellin?

Advertising. The first thing a lot of businesses cut back on in hard times.

I thought you were in printing ?



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Re: Sitting Out Obama
Posted by: davester
Date: May 01, 2012 02:47PM
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swampy
It's also being delivered in the reflection of my sales.

whatcha sellin?

Advertising. The first thing a lot of businesses cut back on in hard times.

I thought you were in printing ?

Last I heard she was a K-12 teacher.




"So be proud to be a decent American instead of just a w'anker whipping up fear!" - Michael D. Higgins, President of Ireland
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Re: Sitting Out Obama
Posted by: Gutenberg
Date: May 01, 2012 02:55PM
I thought she was in promotional trinkets.
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Re: Sitting Out Obama
Posted by: swampy
Date: May 01, 2012 04:19PM
My ex did the printing, but has closed his shop and moved on. I took up some of his brochure business (I act as a broker for this) and still sell specialties.





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Re: Sitting Out Obama
Posted by: Spock
Date: May 01, 2012 04:59PM
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billb

There certainly was no housing bubble to pop.

Would that be the housing bubble that peaked in 2007?






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Re: Sitting Out Obama
Posted by: john dough
Date: May 02, 2012 12:58AM
Every time when the questions come up to how Mitt would be any better of a president, the usual suspects are silent.

For all of the Mitt supporters, sell us on your choice. For all of the vitriol you have on Obama, you have to have something positive about Romney, right?

Anyone??



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Re: Sitting Out Obama
Posted by: Chakravartin
Date: May 02, 2012 05:22AM
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john dough
For all of the Mitt supporters, sell us on your choice. For all of the vitriol you have on Obama, you have to have something positive about Romney, right?

Romney has some good things going for him. For example, he's tall. That's very important in a president.



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Re: Sitting Out Obama
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: May 02, 2012 08:29AM
Well here are some thoughts on the Romney economic prescription. His friend from Bain has written a book about why doing what's good for the one percent is good for the country (evidence to the contrary.)
This guy would make Gordon Gekko blush.

[www.nytimes.com]
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Re: Sitting Out Obama
Posted by: billb
Date: May 02, 2012 08:45AM
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billb

There certainly was no housing bubble to pop.

Would that be the housing bubble that peaked in 2007?
Some say 2006.
The haves have been making good money on the propped up economy since the mid-nineties. The smart haves have taken advantage of all the loopholes and campaign promises and lost as little of it to taxes as possible.
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Re: Sitting Out Obama
Posted by: john dough
Date: May 02, 2012 08:53AM
Just as I thought. The Obama haters love to dish it out but when asked a serious question to why a middle-class, small business owner, should vote for him, we get nothing.

This has been asked at least a dozen times here, and we get nothing but silence from the usual suspects.

Between the two candidates, there really is no choice (unless you are wealthy).



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Re: Sitting Out Obama
Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: May 02, 2012 09:51AM
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Lemon Drop
This guy would make Gordon Gekko blush.

[www.nytimes.com]


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“Unintended Consequences” only mentions Romney by name once (and in the acknowledgments, at that), but Conard hopes that the arguments detailed in his book will help readers understand why it’s so crucial that his former boss — who believes the government should help the investor class — win this November.

This is pretty much how I see the Romney administration, should he be elected. "We will take care of the rich, and they will take care of you." i.e. "Trickle down works! Really! You just haven't given it enough time!"


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On the contrary, Conard writes, it is a sign that our economy is working. And if we had a little more of it, then everyone, particularly the 99 percent, would be better off.

Just give us more money! It will help...





...eventually...



...maybe.
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Re: Sitting Out Obama
Posted by: Grateful11
Date: May 02, 2012 10:28AM
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john dough
Just as I thought. The Obama haters love to dish it out but when asked a serious question to why a middle-class, small business owner, should vote for him, we get nothing.

This has been asked at least a dozen times here, and we get nothing but silence from the usual suspects.

Between the two candidates, there really is no choice (unless you are wealthy).

I couldn't agree more.
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Re: Sitting Out Obama
Posted by: $tevie
Date: May 02, 2012 10:30AM
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Re: Sitting Out Obama
Posted by: JoeH
Date: May 02, 2012 11:01AM
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... you have to have something positive about Romney, right?

One positive thing about Mitt, he is no longer the governor of my state! :@#$%&:
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Re: Sitting Out Obama
Posted by: Acer
Date: May 02, 2012 11:56AM
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Lux Interior
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Lemon Drop
This guy would make Gordon Gekko blush.

[www.nytimes.com]


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“Unintended Consequences” only mentions Romney by name once (and in the acknowledgments, at that), but Conard hopes that the arguments detailed in his book will help readers understand why it’s so crucial that his former boss — who believes the government should help the investor class — win this November.

This is pretty much how I see the Romney administration, should he be elected. "We will take care of the rich, and they will take care of you." i.e. "Trickle down works! Really! You just haven't given it enough time!"


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On the contrary, Conard writes, it is a sign that our economy is working. And if we had a little more of it, then everyone, particularly the 99 percent, would be better off.

Just give us more money! It will help...

I'll write them a check and shut up.
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Re: Sitting Out Obama
Posted by: ROFF
Date: May 02, 2012 01:36PM
Think about Romney's vast foreign policy experience, setting up bank accounts in Switzerland and the Cayman Islands.
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Re: Sitting Out Obama
Posted by: decay
Date: May 03, 2012 10:21AM
Unless you just hate Obama for being Obama, then it doesn't matter if you're rich or poor.

NRA member?
Catholic / hard-core Christian?
FOX viewer?

most will vote against Obama, no matter whom the Republican candidate is.

Death Panels!!
Muslim!!
Kenyan!!
Birth Certificate!!
OMG!!






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Re: Sitting Out Obama
Posted by: john dough
Date: May 03, 2012 12:01PM
The problem with NOT voting for Obama is that the other guy will (for the majority of us in America, or the non-rich) make things FAR worse.

Funny when you ask for people to support their candidate, or at least his position, they are dead silent. The seem to be ok with voting on spite, rather than who is the person better suited for the job.



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Re: Sitting Out Obama
Posted by: Black
Date: May 03, 2012 12:33PM
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john dough
The problem with NOT voting for Obama is that the other guy will (for the majority of us in America, or the non-rich) make things FAR worse.
The implication being that Obama has made things worse? There's certainly frustration ion some corners that he hasn't moved far enough away from some of the policies of the previous regime, but what exactly has he made worse?



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Re: Sitting Out Obama
Posted by: $tevie
Date: May 03, 2012 12:37PM
I dislike spite voting. That's how Nixon beat Humphrey, which at the time many people figured was Tweedle Dum beating Tweedle Dee, but then Tweedle Dum turned out to be "Tweedle The Constitution Doesn't Apply To Me". I remember my father voted for Dick Gregory and I gave him a very hard time about that for quite a while.



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Re: Sitting Out Obama
Posted by: john dough
Date: May 03, 2012 12:57PM
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Black
The implication being that Obama has made things worse? There's certainly frustration ion some corners that he hasn't moved far enough away from some of the policies of the previous regime, but what exactly has he made worse?

That came out wrong. What I meant was that things under a Romney presidency would be much worse for the majority of us. Obama has fought to make things better yet any non-completion should also be pinned on the party of obstruction, who has CONSISTENTLY voted party before anything else.

I think that after the mess that he inherited (yes, he was left a HUGE mess, righties) he is doing a good job (although not as good as I had hoped). Romney has said that he would undo some of what Obama has done; how is that good for our country????



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Re: Sitting Out Obama
Posted by: decay
Date: May 04, 2012 08:58AM
i've said it before: i'm disappointed with several key items that Obama has sided with that i had hoped he would not. items that Bush also supported, and i was against them during his presidency, too.

all that said, how could Romney possibly disappoint me less?





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Re: Sitting Out Obama
Posted by: billb
Date: May 04, 2012 11:59AM
Hey, Romney likely won't force the spoiled media to hole up in some sleazy motel in Crawford Texas covering the President's many vacations.
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Re: Sitting Out Obama
Posted by: Grateful11
Date: May 04, 2012 10:04PM
I had a guy in his late 20's to tell me yesterday that, "when Obama bailed out the banks". I spoke up and
said, "you do realize that the big bail out of banks was in 2008 don't you?". He just changed the subject
like he never heard me.

If my memory serves me correctly Obama was invited to Washington to sit on the proceedings because
they knew he would be sworn in in '09 and should kept abreast of the goings on first hand.

I believe that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac was shored up under Obama's watch.



Grateful11
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Re: Sitting Out Obama
Posted by: john dough
Date: May 04, 2012 10:34PM
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billb
Hey, Romney likely won't force the spoiled media to hole up in some sleazy motel in Crawford Texas covering the President's many vacations.

Billb, without mentioning Obama, why should I, or anyone else for that matter, support Romney? Romney seems to advocate many things that would directly hurt the middle class and have yet to see an intelligent reason that he should be supported if you are not rich.

Do you have anything for us? Take all of the time you want.



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Re: Sitting Out Obama
Posted by: Grateful11
Date: May 04, 2012 11:51PM
John it's doubtful you'll get an answer.
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Re: Sitting Out Obama
Posted by: john dough
Date: May 06, 2012 09:39AM
Yep, 2 days and zero answer. They like to dish things out about Obama but asked to back up their reasoning and why they support Mitt, they run to the hills.

I would LOVE to hear a reasoning to why a middle-class business owner would vote GOP in this election, yet when a tough question comes up, they (you know who) all vanish.

It really shows that they do not know what they are talking about.



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Re: Sitting Out Obama
Posted by: RgrF
Date: May 06, 2012 07:22PM
Barnaclebill lives for moments like this when it becomes about him. He takes murky shots both ways but mostly at what he perceives as the looney left.

He conflates inscrutability with gravitas.
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