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Since North Carolina is voting on the definition of marriage and its' associated civil rights.. let's have a poll!
Posted by: threeprong
Date: May 08, 2012 10:36AM
Poll
What are your views on marriage as it relates to civil rights ?
Only registered users are allowed to vote for this poll.
50 votes were received.
I believe homosexual couples should be able to be married, and be legally recognized as so by the state and enjoy all the benefits of and rights of marriage.40
 
80%
I believe marriage should be defined as a union between 1 man and 1 woman and not be available to homosexuals. I also think homosexuals should not be recognized in any other legal way such as civil unions, domestic partnerships etc.1
 
2%
I believe marriage is between 1 man and 1 woman but i would support homosecual couples seeking recognition legally as a civil union or domestic partnership. with similar rights to marriage.7
 
14%
None of the above but I am supportive of the gay community.1
 
2%
None of the above and I do not support the gay community.1
 
2%


So my state is voting today to define marriage via an amendment to the state constitution.
The amendment, known here as "Amendment One" is divisive and polling shows a polarized view among eligible voters.

So I wanted create a poll here and do a litmus test of sorts on the MacResource community regarding the same subject.

Thanks for voting!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/08/2012 10:37AM by threeprong.
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Re: Since North Carolina is voting on the definition of marriage and its' associated civil rights.. let's have a poll!
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: May 08, 2012 10:40AM
The first one.

Will be interesting to see how things go in NC today, but I'm not terribly hopeful. (Former Chapel Hill resident here.)
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Re: Since North Carolina is voting on the definition of marriage and its' associated civil rights.. let's have a poll!
Posted by: Pops
Date: May 08, 2012 10:43AM
I believe the government, at all levels, should get out of the arena of sanctifying "marriage". IMO, marriage should be defined by the various churches. If one church wants to restrict it to man-woman, fine; other churches can make their own rules.

I think the government should be in the business of granting civil unions with the appropriate legal protections and should not discriminate between gay and hetero couples.
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Re: Since North Carolina is voting on the definition of marriage and its' associated civil rights.. let's have a poll!
Posted by: Pam
Date: May 08, 2012 10:47AM
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Pops
I believe the government, at all levels, should get out of the arena of sanctifying "marriage". IMO, marriage should be defined by the various churches. If one church wants to restrict it to man-woman, fine; other churches can make their own rules.

I think the government should be in the business of granting civil unions with the appropriate legal protections and should not discriminate between gay and hetero couples.

The term "marriage" is used in so many contexts that I think that ship has sailed. The only thing churches can do is come up with another name. My parents were married in a civil ceremony and there's no way you could have gotten them, or others to say something other than they were married. Churches can and do make their own rules as to who can marry under their roofs. That'll never change.
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Re: Since North Carolina is voting on the definition of marriage and its' associated civil rights.. let's have a poll!
Posted by: graylocks
Date: May 08, 2012 10:51AM
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Pam
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Pops
I believe the government, at all levels, should get out of the arena of sanctifying "marriage". IMO, marriage should be defined by the various churches. If one church wants to restrict it to man-woman, fine; other churches can make their own rules.

I think the government should be in the business of granting civil unions with the appropriate legal protections and should not discriminate between gay and hetero couples.

The term "marriage" is used in so many contexts that I think that ship has sailed. The only thing churches can do is come up with another name. My parents were married in a civil ceremony and there's no way you could have gotten them, or others to say something other than they were married. Churches can and do make their own rules as to who can marry under their roofs. That'll never change.

hmmm. well then maybe the government could stop doing civil ceremonies and getting a civil union could just be a matter of filling out the forms. if the couple wanted a marriage ceremony they could go to their respective church or create a celebration of their own. possibly elegant solution. ain't never gonna happen...


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Re: Since North Carolina is voting on the definition of marriage and its' associated civil rights.. let's have a poll!
Posted by: $tevie
Date: May 08, 2012 11:00AM
Just call it Holy Matrimony when it's done in a church.

Trying to keep people from calling a civil union a marriage is like trying to get them to say gelatin dessert instead of Jello.

(I speak as someone who considers herself "married" despite having it done at City Hall).


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Re: Since North Carolina is voting on the definition of marriage and its' associated civil rights.. let's have a poll!
Posted by: davester
Date: May 08, 2012 11:01AM
Let the churches have their "holy matrimony" in whatever shape or form they like. Marriage is well established as a legal arrangement that is already deeply embedded into our laws by providing certain rights that should be available to all. Marriage was around long before the churches started sanctifying it. The churches came late into the marriage game and now try to claim it as their own institution, reserved for only those they approve of. It's not, and this country is not a religious institution, whether they like it or not.



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Re: Since North Carolina is voting on the definition of marriage and its' associated civil rights.. let's have a poll!
Posted by: graylocks
Date: May 08, 2012 11:05AM
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davester
Marriage is well established as a legal arrangement that is already deeply embedded into our laws by providing certain rights that should be available to all. Marriage was around long before the churches started sanctifying it. The churches came late into the marriage game and now try to claim it as their own institution, reserved for only those they approve of.

could you provide some sources for churches coming late to the marriage game? i thought in just about every civilization marriage was connected to a spiritual/religious union that was recognized by society's governing body. you seem to say there was a time when it was not and i'd like to investigate that.


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Re: Since North Carolina is voting on the definition of marriage and its' associated civil rights.. let's have a poll!
Posted by: $tevie
Date: May 08, 2012 11:08AM
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davester
Marriage was around long before the churches started sanctifying it.

And it wasn't about love, either. These people are playing a game of semantics that is based on purely specious reasoning.


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Re: Since North Carolina is voting on the definition of marriage and its' associated civil rights.. let's have a poll!
Posted by: billb
Date: May 08, 2012 11:46AM
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Pops
I believe the government, at all levels, should get out of the arena of sanctifying "marriage". IMO, marriage should be defined by the various churches. If one church wants to restrict it to man-woman, fine; other churches can make their own rules.

I think the government should be in the business of granting civil unions with the appropriate legal protections and should not discriminate between gay and hetero couples.

Registered Partnerships and dissolved registered partnerships.
People can call it whatever they want if they are hung up on traditional vernaculars and fearful of change.
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Re: Since North Carolina is voting on the definition of marriage and its' associated civil rights.. let's have a poll!
Posted by: August West
Date: May 08, 2012 12:07PM
Marriage predates recorded history. Apparently, when considering recorded history, there are Sumerian marriage records. I think they are more civil than religious, but I don't have them in front of me. They certainly predate the current Christian hysteria.
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Re: Since North Carolina is voting on the definition of marriage and its' associated civil rights.. let's have a poll!
Posted by: August West
Date: May 08, 2012 12:16PM
A google search gave an e-how page that was a reasonable, easy summary of ancient sumer life and custom.

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E-How
Marriage
According to "Handbook to Life in Ancient Mesopotamia" by Stephen Bertman, the Sumerians' idea of love related more to business and property than to emotional connections. Marriage was a business arrangement between a prospective groom, or the groom's father, and the groom's future father-in-law. To arrange a marriage, the families of the bride and groom negotiated and signed a marriage contract that united the families. An important religious tradition in Sumer was the sacred marriage, which took place at the New Year's festival. The sacred marriage celebrated the union between the goddess Inanna and her lover, the god Dumuzi. It is believed that during the ritual, the Sumerian king, who represented Dumuzi, mated with a priestess, who symbolized the incarnation of the goddess Inanna. The sacred marriage ritual was meant to ensure the fertility of the land.
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Re: Since North Carolina is voting on the definition of marriage and its' associated civil rights.. let's have a poll!
Posted by: davester
Date: May 08, 2012 12:37PM
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graylocks
could you provide some sources for churches coming late to the marriage game? i thought in just about every civilization marriage was connected to a spiritual/religious union that was recognized by society's governing body. you seem to say there was a time when it was not and i'd like to investigate that.

I thought it was fairly well known that marriage predated christianity and that it did not become a holy matter for quite some time (other than the fact that in Europe, the christian church controlled all aspects of politics and people's lives). Here's a few...

[www2.hu-berlin.de]

[www.bbc.co.uk]

[en.wikipedia.org]



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Re: Since North Carolina is voting on the definition of marriage and its' associated civil rights.. let's have a poll!
Posted by: graylocks
Date: May 08, 2012 12:44PM
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davester
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graylocks
could you provide some sources for churches coming late to the marriage game? i thought in just about every civilization marriage was connected to a spiritual/religious union that was recognized by society's governing body. you seem to say there was a time when it was not and i'd like to investigate that.

I thought it was fairly well known that marriage predated christianity and that it did not become a holy matter for quite some time (other than the fact that in Europe, the christian church controlled all aspects of politics and people's lives). Here's a few...

[www2.hu-berlin.de]


[www.bbc.co.uk]

[en.wikipedia.org]

i know that the institution of marriage existed before christianity; i just always had a sense that even then there was a spiritual/religious aspect to it whatever the spiritual practice of that culture or civilization.


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Re: Since North Carolina is voting on the definition of marriage and its' associated civil rights.. let's have a poll!
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: May 08, 2012 01:39PM
Mrs. cbelt3 and I have two certificates that state that we are married. One is a Marriage License issued by the state of Ohio. The other is a Marriage Certificate signed by the Pastor of my wife's church in her hometown.

The real reality ?

It's ALL totally irrelevant until the Federal Government makes a decision.

And they did. "DOMA".

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Want change ? Repeal DOMA.
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Re: Since North Carolina is voting on the definition of marriage and its' associated civil rights.. let's have a poll!
Posted by: bazookaman
Date: May 08, 2012 01:44PM




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Re: Since North Carolina is voting on the definition of marriage and its' associated civil rights.. let's have a poll!
Posted by: davester
Date: May 08, 2012 01:50PM
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cbelt3
Want change ? Repeal DOMA.

That may not be necessary since the justice department currently thinks that DOMA is unconstitutional. The need to repeal it may be moot if the SCOTUS throws it out.



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Re: Since North Carolina is voting on the definition of marriage and its' associated civil rights.. let's have a poll!
Posted by: Bill in NC
Date: May 08, 2012 08:21PM
SCOTUS will have the final word, soon enough.

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cbelt3
Want change ? Repeal DOMA.

That may not be necessary since the justice department currently thinks that DOMA is unconstitutional. The need to repeal it may be moot if the SCOTUS throws it out.
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Re: Since North Carolina is voting on the definition of marriage and its' associated civil rights.. let's have a poll!
Posted by: Rolando
Date: May 08, 2012 11:55PM
Civil Marriage vs Religious Marriage: "Render unto Caesar..."
I had a friend who got Married in Mexico. In Mexico, the Legal marriage is conducted by a judge, the religious ceremony is conducted by a priest. His wife wouldn't "act like a married" woman until the religious ceremony was completed, unfortunately for him, it was delayed a day.


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Re: Since North Carolina is voting on the definition of marriage and its' associated civil rights.. let's have a poll!
Posted by: haikuman
Date: May 09, 2012 06:39AM
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Re: Since North Carolina is voting on the definition of marriage and its' associated civil rights.. let's have a poll!
Posted by: Grateful11
Date: May 09, 2012 08:30AM
I say let homosexual couples get married so they can be as miserable as heterosexual couples.


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Re: Since North Carolina is voting on the definition of marriage and its' associated civil rights.. let's have a poll!
Posted by: Sam3
Date: May 09, 2012 05:55PM
Sorry, no misery here. Going on 12 nice years.
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Re: Since North Carolina is voting on the definition of marriage and its' associated civil rights.. let's have a poll!
Posted by: Grateful11
Date: May 09, 2012 07:53PM
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Sam3
Sorry, no misery here. Going on 12 nice years.

No misery here either it was just something I heard the other day that I thought was kinda funny. We're up to 25 years and counting.


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Re: Since North Carolina is voting on the definition of marriage and its' associated civil rights.. let's have a poll!
Posted by: Sam3
Date: May 09, 2012 10:20PM
We're just youngsters in comparison!
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Re: Since North Carolina is voting on the definition of marriage and its' associated civil rights.. let's have a poll!
Posted by: Pops
Date: May 10, 2012 07:30AM
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Sam3
We're just youngsters in comparison!
That's right, kids. Heading for 39 this August. smiling smiley
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Re: Since North Carolina is voting on the definition of marriage and its' associated civil rights.. let's have a poll!
Posted by: Grateful11
Date: May 10, 2012 08:10AM
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Pops
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Sam3
We're just youngsters in comparison!
That's right, kids. Heading for 39 this August. smiling smiley

Nice, 39 years. Here's wishing you and your at least another 20. My late parents saw 60 years of marriage.


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