I love it!

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I'd like to see the Democratic version.

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Me, too! but it will never get posted if there is one. Not here anyway.

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Me, too! but it will never get posted if there is one. Not here anyway.

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Me, too! but it will never get posted if there is one. Not here anyway.

I would post it - why on earth do you believe that no one here is critical of dems?

There is no need for a Democratic one. This one says it all.

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There is no need for a Democratic one. This one says it all.

Riiiiiight. Because the Democrats are pure and good and the Republicans are corrupt and evil. That's a politics that will work for America.

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From Frank Zappa's Hot Plate Heaven (1988)

Republicans is fine,
If you're a multi-millionaire
Democrats is fair,
If all you own is what you wear
Neither of 'em's REALLY right,
'Cause neither of 'em CARE
'Bout that Hot-Plate Heaven,
'Cause they ain't been there

What would the counter-version even say? If it's possible for there to be one, it's out there. Why don't one of you find it and post it? That some of you are griping about this proves the point of the cartoon: you just don't get it.

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There is no need for a Democratic one. This one says it all.

Riiiiiight. Because the Democrats are pure and good and the Republicans are corrupt and evil. That's a politics that will work for America.

That wasn't the topic of that cartoon. Obviously you didn't "get" the point of it.

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There is no need for a Democratic one. This one says it all.

Riiiiiight. Because the Democrats are pure and good and the Republicans are corrupt and evil. That's a politics that will work for America.

That wasn't the topic of that cartoon. Obviously you didn't "get" the point of it.

The cartoon succinctly points out the Republican voters don't get what is happening in as simple a form as possible and they still don't get it. It's hopeless.

I like the cartoon, and got it's point, but i shouldn't have said anything; comments such as mine have no place in a partisan forum. I forget that sometimes. Trying to bridge the partisan divide here is, to use an apt phrase, quite hopeless indeed. Almost nobody here is interested in that - certainly not enough people to sustain regular discussion.

Also: anyone who thinks that a satirical cartoon that demeans the subject is going to help the mocked party 'get it' has a lot to learn about rhetoric. I don't think that anyone here really believes that's what this cartoon is meant to do, it just seemed odd to me that such a purpose was even suggested.

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The democratic version would be pretty similar. The saying on the right side would be almost identical but I am not sure republicans would think the saying from the voter would be as funny, more poignant.

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Also: anyone who thinks that a satirical cartoon that demeans the subject is going to help the mocked party 'get it' has a lot to learn about rhetoric.

Not sure why you've decided that that's the intent of this particular cartoon.

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Also: anyone who thinks that a satirical cartoon that demeans the subject is going to help the mocked party 'get it' has a lot to learn about rhetoric.

Not sure why you've decided that that's the intent of this particular cartoon.

Because Dennis said so.

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The cartoon succinctly points out the Republican voters don't get what is happening in as simple a form as possible and they still don't get it. It's hopeless.

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The cartoon is pointing out the truth. That's what cartoons are good at. If you feel it's "demeaning", well, maybe you're starting to "get it."

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The cartoon is pointing out the truth. That's what cartoons are good at. If you feel it's "demeaning", well, maybe you're starting to "get it."

Yes, i understand your point, Dennis, though if you don't think that the cartoon is demeaning i'm not sure we're in the same universe. We disagree about how useful it is to insult or mock people in order to point out the 'truth' to them. You apparently think it is much more effective than i do. That's okay, we can disagree about that, and i promise not to demean you because we have divergent opinions on the subject.

P.S. If you think that i'm a Republican, or sympathetic to conservative ideology, then you haven't closely followed just about anything i've written in the forum. I'm one of the more radically unconventional people on the forum, but i'm also convinced that taking a hard left-right partisan stance is not useful or productive.

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Do people here really believe that the big money that backs Dems DOESN'T also buy access? That dem candidates are not beholden to their benefactors? That Dems = GOOD and Repubs = EVIL?

This is good: Obama Supporter vs Progressives [www.youtube.com]

The bag of money seems to be confusing to some of you. That guy holding the money is Bank of America or J. P. Morgan, not Paul Ryan or John Boehner.

The Democrats may also like the guy on the right but they don't feel the need to take aim at civil rights and reproductive rights in an effort to protect him.

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The bag of money seems to be confusing to some of you. That guy holding the money is Bank of America or J. P. Morgan, not Paul Ryan or John Boehner.

The Democrats may also like the guy on the right but they don't feel the need to take aim at civil rights and reproductive rights in an effort to protect him.

$tevie pretty much sums it up. I'd suggest there is a VERY small portion of registered Republicans that make up a third segment that doesn't fit in with either of those two. That third group is who I could actually hope to accomplish something with. Sadly, there aren't enough of them to get anything done for the benefit of all.

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Also: anyone who thinks that a satirical cartoon that demeans the subject is going to help the mocked party 'get it' has a lot to learn about rhetoric.

Not sure why you've decided that that's the intent of this particular cartoon.

Because Dennis said so.

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The cartoon succinctly points out the Republican voters don't get what is happening in as simple a form as possible and they still don't get it. It's hopeless.

Do you think that's the same thing as saying that the intent of the cartoon is to help Republican voters understand "what is happening?"

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That presumes the cartoon had a purpose beyond cogently pointing out a political reality.



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The cartoon succinctly points out the Republican voters don't get what is happening in as simple a form as possible and they still don't get it. It's hopeless.

Do you think that's the same thing as saying that the intent of the cartoon is to help Republican voters understand "what is happening?"

Umm. I never said that was the intent of the cartoon. I reflected that Dennis said that despite the simple message of the cartoon, the targets "still don't get it." That doesn't mean the intent was to edify, just that Dennis seemed to think that one of its functions would be to do so.

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The cartoon succinctly points out the Republican voters don't get what is happening in as simple a form as possible and they still don't get it. It's hopeless.

Do you think that's the same thing as saying that the intent of the cartoon is to help Republican voters understand "what is happening?"

Umm. I never said that was the intent of the cartoon. I reflected that Dennis said that despite the simple message of the cartoon, the targets "still don't get it." That doesn't mean the intent was to edify, just that Dennis seemed to think that one of its functions would be to do so.

Oh, I see.
There are people who use this board as sort of a dumping place for partisan hatred or frustration, and I don't like it either. Not sure it's fair to label it a "partisan board" though.

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"That doesn't mean the intent was to edify, just that Dennis seemed to think that one of its functions would be to do so." - rj

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The cartoon succinctly points out the Republican voters don't get what is happening in as simple a form as possible and they still don't get it. It's hopeless.

Do you think that's the same thing as saying that the intent of the cartoon is to help Republican voters understand "what is happening?"

Umm. I never said that was the intent of the cartoon. I reflected that Dennis said that despite the simple message of the cartoon, the targets "still don't get it." That doesn't mean the intent was to edify, just that Dennis seemed to think that one of its functions would be to do so.

Oh, I see.
There are people who use this board as sort of a dumping place for partisan hatred or frustration, and I don't like it either. Not sure it's fair to label it a "partisan board" though.

I struggle to find examples of civil, reasoned, engaging discussion between partisans on different sides of polarizing issues here. I see a fair amount of heated discussion among people who are ideologically similar, and tons of flaming and invective exchanged between partisans. More than anything else, this makes the political conversations here dull, because when the brutalization starts, the intellectual value of the comments drops to zero. The overwhelming energy and numbers favor Democratic positions and voices, and the number of Republicans active here is in the single-digits. It makes perfect sense - if you're a Democrat, you can participate in quality discussion with your ideological peers. If you're a Republican, though, you're just cruising for a bruising.

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The cartoon succinctly points out the Republican voters don't get what is happening in as simple a form as possible and they still don't get it. It's hopeless.

Do you think that's the same thing as saying that the intent of the cartoon is to help Republican voters understand "what is happening?"

Umm. I never said that was the intent of the cartoon. I reflected that Dennis said that despite the simple message of the cartoon, the targets "still don't get it." That doesn't mean the intent was to edify, just that Dennis seemed to think that one of its functions would be to do so.

Oh, I see.
There are people who use this board as sort of a dumping place for partisan hatred or frustration, and I don't like it either. Not sure it's fair to label it a "partisan board" though.

I struggle to find examples of civil, reasoned, engaging discussion between partisans on different sides of polarizing issues here. I see a fair amount of heated discussion among people who are ideologically similar, and tons of flaming and invective exchanged between partisans. More than anything else, this makes the political conversations here dull, because when the brutalization starts, the intellectual value of the comments drops to zero. The overwhelming energy and numbers favor Democratic positions and voices, and the number of Republicans active here is in the single-digits. It makes perfect sense - if you're a Democrat, you can participate in quality discussion with your ideological peers. If you're a Republican, though, you're just cruising for a bruising.

Several of us have said, and meant sincerely, that we would welcome more conservatives interested in "civil, reasoned, engaging discussion"
Instead, we get folks who only seem interested in trashing or derailing threads that offend their conservative sensibilities (sound familiar?)

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The cartoon succinctly points out the Republican voters don't get what is happening in as simple a form as possible and they still don't get it. It's hopeless.

Do you think that's the same thing as saying that the intent of the cartoon is to help Republican voters understand "what is happening?"

Umm. I never said that was the intent of the cartoon. I reflected that Dennis said that despite the simple message of the cartoon, the targets "still don't get it." That doesn't mean the intent was to edify, just that Dennis seemed to think that one of its functions would be to do so.

Oh, I see.
There are people who use this board as sort of a dumping place for partisan hatred or frustration, and I don't like it either. Not sure it's fair to label it a "partisan board" though.

I struggle to find examples of civil, reasoned, engaging discussion between partisans on different sides of polarizing issues here. I see a fair amount of heated discussion among people who are ideologically similar, and tons of flaming and invective exchanged between partisans. More than anything else, this makes the political conversations here dull, because when the brutalization starts, the intellectual value of the comments drops to zero. The overwhelming energy and numbers favor Democratic positions and voices, and the number of Republicans active here is in the single-digits. It makes perfect sense - if you're a Democrat, you can participate in quality discussion with your ideological peers. If you're a Republican, though, you're just cruising for a bruising.

Several of us have said, and meant sincerely, that we would welcome more conservatives interested in "civil, reasoned, engaging discussion"
Instead, we get folks who only seem interested in trashing or derailing threads that offend their conservative sensibilities (sound familiar?)

The 'several' that have said so have little power to control those who are less restrained or civil. If i were right-leaning, i wouldn't expect that you could or would effectively shield me from maltreatment at the hands of less considerate and elicitive forumites. So, kudos to you and others for being open. I suspect you may constitute a minority, or a small enough majority that this remains an unwelcoming place for conservatives. Many people here harbor a strong desire to bash the GOP and right-leaning folks, as is quite evident in thread after thread. That's fine, but it is what it is - not well-reasoned argument, not rhetorical musing, not intellectual sparring. It's venting of frustration, anger, and bitterness. It surprises me very little that the conservatives who do stick around are the ones who enjoy spouting bile and snark.

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I don't think cbelt is a bile-snark kind of guy. Actually, billb is only just a bit snarky, but not mean-spirited. Swampy isn't particularly mean. Her main infraction is being "wrong". I think even Dakota exercised restraint for most of the time he was here. I just thought I'd mention not all the conservatives who stick around are nasty. They do develop some odd survival techniques though. kj.

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I don't think cbelt is a bile-snark kind of guy. Actually, billb is only just a bit snarky, but not mean-spirited. Swampy isn't particularly mean. Her main infraction is being "wrong". I think even Dakota exercised restraint for most of the time he was here. I just thought I'd mention not all the conservatives who stick around are nasty. They do develop some odd survival techniques though. kj.

cbelt is not bilious, but neither is he particularly conservative (sorry if that strikes you wrong, cbelt - it's not meant as an insult - i have a lot of respect for you). billb also doesn't come across to me as particularly conservative - he expresses a lot of disdain for the political establishment, with some special attention to hypocrisy among Democrats (certain families in particular), but most of his barbs are aimed at corrupt, bumbling, and exploitive folks in power, irrespective of party. Swampy's posts have been more substantive in the Catholics sue Obama thread, but more often than not her commentary is harsh and hit-and-run, not engaging and open. I think you are indulging in revisionist memory with Dak - he was frequently abusive, which is why he is no longer here.

Again, i think these dynamics are what they are. There's no cause to judge them, i just think it's reasonable to acknowledge how things are.

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When I was a teacher, I would have students who started out hostile to indifferent to what I was teaching. I tried very hard not to get personally negative with them and whenever they did show signs of interest I would go out of my way to try to nurture that interest. Sometimes it took a few months, but usually I could see noticeable improvement. Of course, they were adolescents with all the squirrely things that go along with that stage of life and understanding that probably made it easier to stay tolerant and patient. (With adults who I think should know better I too often have less patience.)

I'm not sure exactly what my point is in saying that.

This board's function is to keep the arguments off of the "real" board. It's the b@st@rd child of a deal forum that got overrun by people of a similar outlook who began hanging out there, derailed its original purpose, and then left when the board's owners got pissy about what had happened.

There are a lot of places on the internet that were designed for moderated civil intellectual political conversation. This is not one of them. There are people who absolutely refuse to venture over here because they have decided it's too mean or too rude or too leftie. They have opted not to attempt to raise the discourse to whatever level they seem to think would please them.

Don't expect so much of this place. As people say far too often, it is what it is. And what it is, is the drip pan set up to keep the meat from catching fire. It functions very well in that capacity. If it is rude or leftie, that is totally organic because this place grew itself. To deride it for not being something other than what it is makes no sense.

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Don't expect so much of this place. As people say far too often, it is what it is. And what it is, is the drip pan set up to keep the meat from catching fire. It functions very well in that capacity. If it is rude or leftie, that is totally organic because this place grew itself. To deride it for not being something other than what it is makes no sense.

Gosh, i sure hope you didn't take any of my comments as derisive. I've said many times that my observations are just that - not prescriptions for how the forum 'should be,' just reflections about how it is. I think you're absolutely right, $tevie - this place serves a function, and it has its own culture. But that doesn't mean we can't talk about it, right? (Even dysfunctional families still talk about weird Uncle Barry and the way Grandma's house smells like pee and cookies. It doesn't make us any less a family! )

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Don't expect so much of this place. As people say far too often, it is what it is. And what it is, is the drip pan set up to keep the meat from catching fire. It functions very well in that capacity. If it is rude or leftie, that is totally organic because this place grew itself. To deride it for not being something other than what it is makes no sense.

Gosh, i sure hope you didn't take any of my comments as derisive. I've said many times that my observations are just that - not prescriptions for how the forum 'should be,' just reflections about how it is. I think you're absolutely right, $tevie - this place serves a function, and it has its own culture. But that doesn't mean we can't talk about it, right? (Even dysfunctional families still talk about weird Uncle Barry and the way Grandma's house smells like pee and cookies. It doesn't make us any less a family! )

I'm not exactly sure why, but when any of the users here show a little stewardship of this side of the forum $tevie goes on the warpath and tries to beat them down.
This board can be anything we want it to be, and there's nothing wrong with speaking up. I've seen self-moderated online discussions work, but users have to accept their own responsibility and not just push everything off on "mods."

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When I was a teacher, I would have students who started out hostile to indifferent to what I was teaching. I tried very hard not to get personally negative with them and whenever they did show signs of interest I would go out of my way to try to nurture that interest. Sometimes it took a few months, but usually I could see noticeable improvement. Of course, they were adolescents with all the squirrely things that go along with that stage of life and understanding that probably made it easier to stay tolerant and patient. (With adults who I think should know better I too often have less patience.)

I'm not sure exactly what my point is in saying that.

Excellent. I don't think your point is that obscure.
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Black, you are the most inclined to lecture people about their behavior so you need to rethink your definition of "stewarding" the board: being a b*tch every time someone crosses your imaginary line doesn't really qualify.

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Don't expect so much of this place. As people say far too often, it is what it is. And what it is, is the drip pan set up to keep the meat from catching fire. It functions very well in that capacity. If it is rude or leftie, that is totally organic because this place grew itself. To deride it for not being something other than what it is makes no sense.

Gosh, i sure hope you didn't take any of my comments as derisive. I've said many times that my observations are just that - not prescriptions for how the forum 'should be,' just reflections about how it is. I think you're absolutely right, $tevie - this place serves a function, and it has its own culture. But that doesn't mean we can't talk about it, right? (Even dysfunctional families still talk about weird Uncle Barry and the way Grandma's house smells like pee and cookies. It doesn't make us any less a family! )

I wrote the most generic post possible and you still thought I was responding to you specifically. What preamble do I need to begin using so you won't keep taking everything personally?

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Don't expect so much of this place. As people say far too often, it is what it is. And what it is, is the drip pan set up to keep the meat from catching fire. It functions very well in that capacity. If it is rude or leftie, that is totally organic because this place grew itself. To deride it for not being something other than what it is makes no sense.

Gosh, i sure hope you didn't take any of my comments as derisive. I've said many times that my observations are just that - not prescriptions for how the forum 'should be,' just reflections about how it is. I think you're absolutely right, $tevie - this place serves a function, and it has its own culture. But that doesn't mean we can't talk about it, right? (Even dysfunctional families still talk about weird Uncle Barry and the way Grandma's house smells like pee and cookies. It doesn't make us any less a family!)

I wrote the most generic post possible and you still thought I was responding to you specifically. What preamble do I need to begin using so you won't keep taking everything personally?

I would go with something like, "Dear rj, this post is NOT about you. Please try to imagine a universe in which things happen that are not all about you and your sensitivities."

All the same, it doesn't really matter whether you were responding to me or not - you were addressing the forum, and i'm a member thereof, so it's reasonable that i'd post a reply. Surely you can appreciate that my comments weren't really about you. Also, i agree with Black that the forum is what we make it... You're not particularly interested in civility, which is fine - that's not a requirement of membership. Others here are. We'll work it out, just like we always do.

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Black, you are the most inclined to lecture people about their behavior so you need to rethink your definition of "stewarding" the board: being a b*tch every time someone crosses your imaginary line doesn't really qualify.

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I don't think cbelt is a bile-snark kind of guy. Actually, billb is only just a bit snarky, but not mean-spirited. Swampy isn't particularly mean. Her main infraction is being "wrong". I think even Dakota exercised restraint for most of the time he was here. I just thought I'd mention not all the conservatives who stick around are nasty. They do develop some odd survival techniques though. kj.

cbelt is not bilious, but neither is he particularly conservative (sorry if that strikes you wrong, cbelt - it's not meant as an insult - i have a lot of respect for you). billb also doesn't come across to me as particularly conservative - he expresses a lot of disdain for the political establishment, with some special attention to hypocrisy among Democrats (certain families in particular), but most of his barbs are aimed at corrupt, bumbling, and exploitive folks in power, irrespective of party. Swampy's posts have been more substantive in the Catholics sue Obama thread, but more often than not her commentary is harsh and hit-and-run, not engaging and open. I think you are indulging in revisionist memory with Dak - he was frequently abusive, which is why he is no longer here.

Again, i think these dynamics are what they are. There's no cause to judge them, i just think it's reasonable to acknowledge how things are.

That's just it. I don't think things are the way you say they are. cbelt is a conservative, so is billb. I think part of the confusion is that people expect to see a conservative caricature that doesn't really exist. I believe completely that conservative thoughts and opinions are every bit as heterogenous as liberal. Most here would disagree, which is at least a small part of the problem. As far as Dakota, I won't say much more, but I read almost all of his posts in one sitting (it was actually interesting), and you would be amazed at the restraint he had for MOST of the time he was here. He ignored huge loads of outright name calling. Of course, it didn't end that way... kj.

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I don't think cbelt is a bile-snark kind of guy. Actually, billb is only just a bit snarky, but not mean-spirited. Swampy isn't particularly mean. Her main infraction is being "wrong". I think even Dakota exercised restraint for most of the time he was here. I just thought I'd mention not all the conservatives who stick around are nasty. They do develop some odd survival techniques though. kj.

cbelt is not bilious, but neither is he particularly conservative (sorry if that strikes you wrong, cbelt - it's not meant as an insult - i have a lot of respect for you). billb also doesn't come across to me as particularly conservative - he expresses a lot of disdain for the political establishment, with some special attention to hypocrisy among Democrats (certain families in particular), but most of his barbs are aimed at corrupt, bumbling, and exploitive folks in power, irrespective of party. Swampy's posts have been more substantive in the Catholics sue Obama thread, but more often than not her commentary is harsh and hit-and-run, not engaging and open. I think you are indulging in revisionist memory with Dak - he was frequently abusive, which is why he is no longer here.

Again, i think these dynamics are what they are. There's no cause to judge them, i just think it's reasonable to acknowledge how things are.

That's just it. I don't think things are the way you say they are. cbelt is a conservative, so is billb. I think part of the confusion is that people expect to see a conservative caricature that doesn't really exist. I believe completely that conservative thoughts and opinions are every bit as heterogenous as liberal. Most here would disagree, which is at least a small part of the problem. As far as Dakota, I won't say much more, but I read almost all of his posts in one sitting (it was actually interesting), and you would be amazed at the restraint he had for MOST of the time he was here. He ignored huge loads of outright name calling. Of course, it didn't end that way... kj.

That's fair. I haven't read all of Dakota's posts, so i defer to you on that point. I think it's also problematic not to discern liberal/conservative from partisan, and i'll take responsibility for that. The partisan divisions and venom here are far worse than the ideological ones.

Good points, kj. I think, on reflection, what i haven't seen is much interesting discussion where the parties and politics get invoked.

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Well, I think we see why at least one Republican here doesn't get in many substantive discussions.

Since I am one of the only people on this side who hasn't been attempting to caricature Swampy into being our.new collective target, I am not interested in being lectured about civility. I would rather have someone say something right to my face the way I do, then have them write their indirect insults disguised as supposed enlightened commentary like some of you insist on doing. When I have a bone to pick with you I address you directly. It's called being honest.

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Since I am one of the only people on this side who hasn't been attempting to caricature Swampy into being our.new collective target, I am not interested in being lectured about civility. I would rather have someone say something right to my face the way I do, then have them write their indirect insults disguised as supposed enlightened commentary like some of you insist on doing. When I have a bone to pick with you I address you directly. It's called being honest.

Until then, you'll toss out vague, critical comments aimed at unnamed 'people on this side' and 'some of [us]'... That works.

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