ha!

As if Canada would have 'em.

I also find it highly amusing, when 'moving to Canada' was an 'if Bush is re-elected' claim from some left-threaded wingnuts back in '04.

Now if they were to "Renounce Their Citizenship", that would be an improvement in the voter rolls.

The "moving to Canada" threat dates back to at least Ronald Reagan, and probably even earlier than that. People probably said it about Lincoln.

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Major trend during Vietnam... when lots of draft dodgers actually left the US rather than be drafted, and formed little communities in various countries. Annoying and amusing the citizens of those countries.

These, of course, were those folks who were not wealthy or connected enough for deferments. MY lottery number was.... 2.

Fortunately the war ended a few years before I was eligible for the draft, In fact I was never required to register for Selective Service. I did try to get into a service Academy though. Bad eyes and lungs. They did not want.

I've never EVER heard of any right winger threatening to move to canada if a liberal won the presidency. Only the other way around...

They'll move to France.

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I've never EVER heard of any right winger threatening to move to canada if a liberal won the presidency. Only the other way around...

Must have missed the Ted Nugent rant.

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I've never EVER heard of any right winger threatening to move to canada if a liberal won the presidency. Only the other way around...

Must have missed the Ted Nugent rant.

I can't believe that he said he'd move to canada if obama was reelected. Gotta link? I looked - found nothing.

The onky references I can find to righties moving to Canada are expressing befuddlement at this graphic just like we are....

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I might move to canada anyway.

maybe the canadian caribbean

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Major trend during Vietnam... when lots of draft dodgers actually left the US rather than be drafted, and formed little communities in various countries. Annoying and amusing the citizens of those countries.

These, of course, were those folks who were not wealthy or connected enough for deferments. MY lottery number was.... 2.

Fortunately the war ended a few years before I was eligible for the draft, In fact I was never required to register for Selective Service. I did try to get into a service Academy though. Bad eyes and lungs. They did not want.

My husband and his roommate had a third "roommate" who went to Canada, but they participated in preserving the fiction that he was still living with them. I think eventually someone from the government came around and discerned that their roommate hadn't been home for like five years. I don't remember anything happening as a result -- and then of course they were all pardoned and he was able to return to the US.

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Major trend during Vietnam... when lots of draft dodgers actually left the US rather than be drafted, and formed little communities in various countries. Annoying and amusing the citizens of those countries.

These, of course, were those folks who were not wealthy or connected enough for deferments. MY lottery number was.... 2.

Fortunately the war ended a few years before I was eligible for the draft, In fact I was never required to register for Selective Service. I did try to get into a service Academy though. Bad eyes and lungs. They did not want.

My number was 30-something, fortunately Nixon cancelled the draft the year I was first eligible.

You were still required to register for Selective Service, and as of recently males turning 18 still are. If not registered, a number of Federal aid programs for college students will not be awarded. So I don't know how you think you were not required to register. At least it was years later that they passed the linkage for federal financial aid.

"So I don't know how you think you were not required to register."

There was a window where no registration was required:

"On March 29, 1975, President Ford signed Proclamation 4360, Terminating Registration Procedures Under Military Selective Service Act, eliminating the registration requirement for all 18–25 year old male citizens.[12]
On July 2, 1980, however, President Carter signed Proclamation 4771, Registration Under the Military Selective Service Act, retroactively re-establishing the Selective Service registration requirement for all 18–26 year old male citizens born on or after January 1, 1960.[13]"

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registering for selective service was halted (not sure when), but was restarted by Jimmy Carter in 1978 (or so). I was in the very first batch that was required to reg...

Oh, so he could have been retroactively required to register if he turned 18 between '75 and '80 and had not already done so.

Doing the math,if you were born between March 29, 1957 and January 1, 1960 you were not required to register. I'm not sure of the official start date, but I was also in that window.

Isn't South America where right wingers usually fled to?

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Btfc.. Bingo. In the bubble.

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Major trend during Vietnam... when lots of draft dodgers actually left the US rather than be drafted...

This part of the thread is veering a bit off-topic, but I find it interesting (and ironic) that the Baby Boomers got their panties in a twist over the possibility of being forced to spend a year in combat, and now that same generation is running things and seems to have no qualms over or even recognize that there are folks of the Millennial and Gen X generations who have VOLUNTARILY been at war for ten years now...



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Sending a volunteer army to war is far, far different than sending a draft army to war. I'm a pre-boomer who was subject to the Vietnam draft and I have no doubt whatsoever the Iraq invasion would not have happened had we had a draft military.

It's also likely the Afghanistan war would have needed a Congressional resolution of war before launch.



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MY lottery number was.... 2.

Fortunately the war ended a few years before I was eligible for the draft,

How is that possible? There were no draft lotteries after the war ended and lotteries only applied to those becoming eligible that year.

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This part of the thread is veering a bit off-topic, but I find it interesting (and ironic) that the Baby Boomers got their panties in a twist over the possibility of being forced to spend a year in combat, and now that same generation is running things and seems to have no qualms over or even recognize that there are folks of the Millennial and Gen X generations who have VOLUNTARILY been at war for ten years now...

That's not entirely accurate. Many combat troops currently in the field signed up for national guard duty whose mission has historically has not included foreign deployments They have been deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan due to the lack of manpower available in army and air force units and forced to keep returning involuntarily through the stop-loss policy (which has also been used to force repeat combat tours by army troops. Those troops are not voluntarily in combat. Stop-loss has been referred to as the "backdoor draft".

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This part of the thread is veering a bit off-topic, but I find it interesting (and ironic) that the Baby Boomers got their panties in a twist over the possibility of being forced to spend a year in combat, and now that same generation is running things and seems to have no qualms over or even recognize that there are folks of the Millennial and Gen X generations who have VOLUNTARILY been at war for ten years now...

That's not entirely accurate. Many combat troops currently in the field signed up for national guard duty whose mission has historically has not included foreign deployments They have been deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan due to the lack of manpower available in army and air force units and forced to keep returning involuntarily through the stop-loss policy (which has also been used to force repeat combat tours by army troops. Those troops are not voluntarily in combat. Stop-loss has been referred to as the "backdoor draft".

The decision to use National Guard troops had nothing to do with manpower. It was a political decision that was made to increase support for the deployed troops. Communities notice when the guard deploys. We learned our lesson about this in Vietnam.

I was put on stop loss - I was active duty - when Clinton had his little Kosovo adventure...I had to carry a pager 24/7...

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Several readers make a case for Ireland. Abortion is mostly illegal in the country. The political parties are center-right, and the country's corporate tax of 12.5 percent is extremely friendly to industry, including Microsoft and Intel. Native Irishman Marc Bruton says: "As an Irishman living in the U.S. for 12 years (who is currently horrified by McCain/Palin), I have to say there is nowhere more America-like than the country of my birth. They'd love it. … And it has some great golf courses!" The country is largely religious, and English is the second of two official languages. And they have a history of welcoming Republicans. "You can't get too hung up on the JFK connection," advises Paul Sheridan. "Reagan got as big a welcome when he visited in the '80s."

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and English is the second of two official languages.

Aaaaand you lost them.