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Shrub was funny at the White House today.
Posted by: Spock
Date: May 31, 2012 05:55PM
Credit where credit due, 'W" was very funny at the unveiling of his official portrait at the White House today. He must be using a better speech writer.

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Re: Shrub was funny at the White House today.
Posted by: Black
Date: May 31, 2012 08:00PM
I actually like the portrait of George quite a bit. It captures that mildly befuddled "what the hell is that thing over there" look that so personifies him.


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Re: Shrub was funny at the White House today.
Posted by: Black
Date: May 31, 2012 08:04PM
OK- just watched-- when he makes the comment about hanging near "#41"-- does it not channel for you the TNG episode where they figure out Sarek is coming unraveled and his wife is covering for him?


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Re: Shrub was funny at the White House today.
Posted by: Uncle Wig
Date: May 31, 2012 10:12PM
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Spock
Credit where credit due, 'W" was very funny at the unveiling of his official portrait at the White House today. He must be using a better speech writer.

[www.whitehouse.gov]

I read that he doesn't use a speechwriter any more and wrote his own remarks.



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Re: Shrub was funny at the White House today.
Posted by: Bill in NC
Date: June 01, 2012 07:33AM
Loved Laura Bush's comment, something to the effect that nothing says 'home' like pictures of former residents staring down at you.
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Re: Shrub was funny at the White House today.
Posted by: Pops
Date: June 01, 2012 08:13AM
I thought it was a tremendously classy affair for all of them. It is nice to see politics put aside, especially in this charged election cycle.
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Re: Shrub was funny at the White House today.
Posted by: Uncle Wig
Date: June 01, 2012 08:40AM
I agree, Pops. There was a piece on News Hour on a new book about the ex-President club. They find that, surprisingly, the ones that get along best are from opposite parties. Hoover and Truman became great friends, and it was really good to see Bush 41 and Clinton become friends. And everyone wanted to be Eisenhower's friend.



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Re: Shrub was funny at the White House today.
Posted by: Black
Date: June 01, 2012 01:29PM
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Uncle Wig
I agree, Pops. There was a piece on News Hour on a new book about the ex-President club. They find that, surprisingly, the ones that get along best are from opposite parties. Hoover and Truman became great friends, and it was really good to see Bush 41 and Clinton become friends. And everyone wanted to be Eisenhower's friend.

Was thinking . . . do we currently have an unprecedented number of ex-presidents still alive, kicking, and basically sound of mind?


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Re: Shrub was funny at the White House today.
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: June 01, 2012 08:06PM
Currently we have four - Carter, Bush 1, Clinton, Bush2

However twice in the last 20 years, there have been five former presidents alive.
In 2001 - Clinton, Bush 1, Carter & Ford
In 1994 - Bush 1, Reagan, Carter, Ford & Nixon

Test question - When were the fewest former presidents alive?


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Re: Shrub was funny at the White House today.
Posted by: freeradical
Date: June 01, 2012 09:10PM
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Ombligo
Currently we have four - Carter, Bush 1, Clinton, Bush2

However twice in the last 20 years, there have been five former presidents alive.
In 2001 - Clinton, Bush 1, Carter & Ford
In 1994 - Bush 1, Reagan, Carter, Ford & Nixon

Test question - When were the fewest former presidents alive?

After the first George W?
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Re: Shrub was funny at the White House today.
Posted by: Black
Date: June 02, 2012 03:18AM
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Ombligo
Currently we have four - Carter, Bush 1, Clinton, Bush2

However twice in the last 20 years, there have been five former presidents alive.
In 2001 - Clinton, Bush 1, Carter & Ford
In 1994 - Bush 1, Reagan, Carter, Ford & Nixon

Test question - When were the fewest former presidents alive?
Thanks for the footwork. Confused about 2001-- someone missing?
Also-- why specifically 1994-- wasn't Bush 1's presidency from 88-92?
Also also . . . see "sound mind."

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Re: Shrub was funny at the White House today.
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: June 02, 2012 04:45AM
Who would be missing from 2001? Nixon had passed and Clinton was now a former President. By the time George 2 left office, Ford had passed away.

I chose 1994 because that was the year Nixon died.

If Obama is not reelected, and none die - then there will once again be five - Obama, Bush 2, Clinton, Bush 1, Carter.


Oh - and fewest ever to be alive? ZERO, While Washington was in office from 1789-1797 (trick question, sorry.. ). However there were also Zero during John Adams 1797-1801 term since Washington died in 1799.
But it has occurred in modern times as well. In 1973, there were none following Johnson's death in January (Nixon resigned in 1974).


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Re: Shrub was funny at the White House today.
Posted by: Black
Date: June 02, 2012 04:53AM
Sorry- it sounded like you were saying there were 5 former presidents alive in 2001 but you listed 4. 10-4 on the rest.
What does freeradical win?


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Re: Shrub was funny at the White House today.
Posted by: swampy
Date: June 02, 2012 10:32AM
Reminder to President Obama (who called Mr. Bush " George" at the portrait hanging event.)

Using a correct, formal address to a former president is a show of respect, not for the individual, but for the position of the presidency itself. Appropriate use of these titles shows that you understand the value of the position and respect its role in your nation. The use of the titles should also be absolute, regardless of your political leanings, unless otherwise informed that a former president has another preference.

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Re: Shrub was funny at the White House today.
Posted by: rjmacs
Date: June 02, 2012 10:49AM
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swampy
Reminder to President Obama (who called Mr. Bush " George" at the portrait hanging event.)

Using a correct, formal address to a former president is a show of respect, not for the individual, but for the position of the presidency itself. Appropriate use of these titles shows that you understand the value of the position and respect its role in your nation. The use of the titles should also be absolute, regardless of your political leanings, unless otherwise informed that a former president has another preference.

[www.ehow.com]

It seems entirely likely that President Bush informed President Obama that he preferred to be called "George" at the ceremony. There certainly hasn't been a peep from the Bushes that this was a problem.


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Re: Shrub was funny at the White House today.
Posted by: Wild eep
Date: June 02, 2012 11:07AM
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rjmacs
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swampy
Reminder to President Obama (who called Mr. Bush " George" at the portrait hanging event.)

Using a correct, formal address to a former president is a show of respect, not for the individual, but for the position of the presidency itself. Appropriate use of these titles shows that you understand the value of the position and respect its role in your nation. The use of the titles should also be absolute, regardless of your political leanings, unless otherwise informed that a former president has another preference.

[www.ehow.com]

It seems entirely likely that President Bush informed President Obama that he preferred to be called "George" at the ceremony. There certainly hasn't been a peep from the Bushes that this was a problem.

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You may destroy her fantasy life.
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Re: Shrub was funny at the White House today.
Posted by: $tevie
Date: June 02, 2012 12:29PM
He called him George when speaking to him directly, and President Bush when referring to him. Remember, Obama is the President of the United States, and that makes him Bush's equal.


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Re: Shrub was funny at the White House today.
Posted by: Black
Date: June 02, 2012 01:05PM
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swampy
Reminder to President Obama (who called Mr. Bush " George" at the portrait hanging event.)

Using a correct, formal address to a former president is a show of respect, not for the individual, but for the position of the presidency itself. Appropriate use of these titles shows that you understand the value of the position and respect its role in your nation. The use of the titles should also be absolute, regardless of your political leanings, unless otherwise informed that a former president has another preference.

[www.ehow.com]

Is this lightiing up the rightie blogosphere today? Or is this a swampy original?


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Re: Shrub was funny at the White House today.
Posted by: JoeH
Date: June 02, 2012 01:40PM
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Black
Is this lightiing up the rightie blogosphere today? Or is this a swampy original?

Not even worth asking or looking into.
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Re: Shrub was funny at the White House today.
Posted by: swampy
Date: June 02, 2012 03:19PM
From the above link on proper etiquette


5
Use the informal "Mr./Mrs. (Last Name)" as a personal address, in formal and informal social situations where you come in contact with a former president. Avoid using the presidential title "Mr./Madam President" in these situations, remembering to reserve that title for active presidents.

And we have no evidence that Mr. Bush invited him to address him as George.




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Re: Shrub was funny at the White House today.
Posted by: Spock
Date: June 02, 2012 03:47PM
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swampy
From the above link on proper etiquette


5
Use the informal "Mr./Mrs. (Last Name)" as a personal address, in formal and informal social situations where you come in contact with a former president. Avoid using the presidential title "Mr./Madam President" in these situations, remembering to reserve that title for active presidents.

How do you know if this rule applies to the members of the exclusive Presidents Club.

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And we have no evidence that Mr. Bush invited him to address him as George.

And do you have any evidence that he didn't?





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Re: Shrub was funny at the White House today.
Posted by: $tevie
Date: June 02, 2012 04:33PM
Well, every cloud has a silver lining and this silly tangent had me Google the etiquette of addressing a former President. The correct, formal method of addressing Bush is "Mr. Bush".
[www.formsofaddress.info]
However, I haven't located the correct method of addressing one's predecessor when one is the current President and have been interacting socially with said former President for the past four years.

I did find this video, which indicates that none of the people who recently held this job have any idea that "President xxx" is wrong:
[www.youtube.com]
This is probably one of those "rules" that is going to morph into something else by the constant misuse of the honorific.


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Re: Shrub was funny at the White House today.
Posted by: $tevie
Date: June 02, 2012 04:43PM
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Here’s what President Bush 41 told us about the evolution of his relationship with the man who defeated him in 1992: “First, let me explain that just because you run against someone in an election, it doesn’t mean you hate the guy. We have to get rid of that notion. But it also would be true that you don’t exactly become best friends either.

“Bill and I did just that, though, when the President of the United States (that would be George W. Bush) asked us to team up to raise money for the 2004 tsunami victims in South Asia. I guess we did an OK job, because then we teamed up for Hurricane Katrina, and Hurricane Ike.

“Our friendship grew out of a shared belief you have to try to help whenever and wherever you can. So we have become quite close. In fact, we just had a 2 1/2 hour lunch, just the two of us, when Bill was in Houston a few weeks ago, just catching up. I do think our friendship has sent a message around the world that just because you disagree on something doesn’t mean you can’t work together.”

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Re: Shrub was funny at the White House today.
Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: June 02, 2012 05:32PM
What does miss Manners say about giving unsolicited shoulder rubs to a head of state?
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Re: Shrub was funny at the White House today.
Posted by: $tevie
Date: June 02, 2012 06:34PM
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Lux Interior
What does miss Manners say about giving unsolicited shoulder rubs to a head of state?

As long as you use the correct form of verbal address, it's just fine. driving smiley


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Re: Shrub was funny at the White House today.
Posted by: Black
Date: June 02, 2012 07:07PM
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I do think our friendship has sent a message around the world that just because you disagree on something doesn’t mean you can’t work together.”
Unfortunately that message fell behind the mail slot and won't be discovered until the mailroom is renovated...


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Re: Shrub was funny at the White House today.
Posted by: rjmacs
Date: June 02, 2012 09:24PM
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swampy
And we have no evidence that Mr. Bush invited him to address him as George.

Strictly speaking, we have no evidence at all. Lots of conjecture, though.


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