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| Scott Walker narrowly survives recall election. Posted by: freeradical
Date: June 05, 2012 09:40PM
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I'm not sure how you can call these results "narrow", but it is what the NYT claims...fair and balanced...
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| Re: Scott Walker narrowly survives recall election. Posted by: Felix
Date: June 05, 2012 10:00PM
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| Re: Scott Walker narrowly survives recall election. Posted by: Uncle Wig
Date: June 05, 2012 10:11PM
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The word "narrowly" appears nowhere in the story you've linked to.
Either way, it's terrible news.
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Either way, it's terrible news.
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| Re: Scott Walker narrowly survives recall election. Posted by: freeradical
Date: June 05, 2012 10:15PM
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| Re: Scott Walker narrowly survives recall election. Posted by: $tevie
Date: June 05, 2012 10:24PM
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| Re: Scott Walker narrowly survives recall election. Posted by: Uncle Wig
Date: June 05, 2012 10:25PM
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The word "narrowly" appears nowhere in the story you've linked to.
Either way, it's terrible news.
The original story did say narrowly. Creative editing on their part...
Then it must have been closer when the ran they original story. When it became not close, they edited the headline. That is as it should be.
I'm sure you'll be reporting the next egregious distortion from Fox, won't you?
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| Re: Scott Walker narrowly survives recall election. Posted by: Avenger
Date: June 05, 2012 10:27PM
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One more time we see the psy op at work by the media. If you believed them, Walker was toast. Republicans "overreached" and alienated "moderates" and "swing voters". They are "extreme". Democrat turn out was heavy alright but looks like they voted for Walker! That is the only explanation for such a lopsided win.
| Re: Scott Walker narrowly survives recall election. Posted by: cbelt3
Date: June 05, 2012 10:29PM
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| Re: Scott Walker narrowly survives recall election. Posted by: $tevie
Date: June 05, 2012 10:34PM
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You know, you seem to be really confused about what an election is.Quote
Avenger
One more time we see the psy op at work by the media. If you believed them, Walker was toast. Republicans "overreached" and alienated "moderates" and "swing voters". They are "extreme". Democrat turn out was heavy alright but looks like they voted for Walker! That is the only explanation for such a lopsided win.
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| Re: Scott Walker narrowly survives recall election. Posted by: Black
Date: June 05, 2012 10:39PM
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Avenger
One more time we see the psy op at work by the media. If you believed them, Walker was toast. Republicans "overreached" and alienated "moderates" and "swing voters". They are "extreme". Democrat turn out was heavy alright but looks like they voted for Walker! That is the only explanation for such a lopsided win.
???
Absolutely everything I saw prior to the recall vote led me to expect this outcome.
Can you link to something representative of what you're talking about?
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| Re: Scott Walker narrowly survives recall election. Posted by: Avenger
Date: June 05, 2012 10:40PM
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| Re: Scott Walker narrowly survives recall election. Posted by: Black
Date: June 05, 2012 10:42PM
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Uncle Wig
The word "narrowly" appears nowhere in the story you've linked to.
Either way, it's terrible news.
The original story did say narrowly. Creative editing on their part...
Then it must have been closer when the ran they original story. When it became not close, they edited the headline. That is as it should be.
I'm sure you'll be reporting the next egregious distortion from Fox, won't you?
Maybe I'm not completely awake from a nap, but what motivation would Faux have to present the margin as being more narrow than it was? Wouldn't any distortion from them be more likely to portray the result as a "landslide?"
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| Re: Scott Walker narrowly survives recall election. Posted by: Uncle Wig
Date: June 05, 2012 10:48PM
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| Re: Scott Walker narrowly survives recall election. Posted by: Avenger
Date: June 05, 2012 10:48PM
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Avenger
One more time we see the psy op at work by the media. If you believed them, Walker was toast. Republicans "overreached" and alienated "moderates" and "swing voters". They are "extreme". Democrat turn out was heavy alright but looks like they voted for Walker! That is the only explanation for such a lopsided win.
???
Absolutely everything I saw prior to the recall vote led me to expect this outcome.
Can you link to something representative of what you're talking about?
You might be right about recent polls but the overwhelming impression left after two years was the he was hated by the people, that he overreached and did what he never talked about during his campaign. Everyday we heard that Democratic "base" had risen up and ready to throw out Walker. Even I was getting concerned.
| Re: Scott Walker narrowly survives recall election. Posted by: $tevie
Date: June 05, 2012 10:49PM
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| Re: Scott Walker narrowly survives recall election. Posted by: Sam3
Date: June 05, 2012 10:52PM
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| Re: Scott Walker narrowly survives recall election. Posted by: Uncle Wig
Date: June 05, 2012 11:00PM
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I never thought this recall would succeed. Recalls are too hard, generally. The state was too divided.
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| Re: Scott Walker narrowly survives recall election. Posted by: Black
Date: June 05, 2012 11:37PM
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Hmm. Who are these Avenger and katkennel drones?
Is Dakota back?
katkennel is most certainly Shakeman.
If I had to guess I'd say "Avenger" is from the same keyboard as the Swampy persona.
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| Re: Scott Walker narrowly survives recall election. Posted by: Black
Date: June 05, 2012 11:39PM
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Avenger
One more time we see the psy op at work by the media. If you believed them, Walker was toast. Republicans "overreached" and alienated "moderates" and "swing voters". They are "extreme". Democrat turn out was heavy alright but looks like they voted for Walker! That is the only explanation for such a lopsided win.
???
Absolutely everything I saw prior to the recall vote led me to expect this outcome.
Can you link to something representative of what you're talking about?
You might be right about recent polls but the overwhelming impression left after two years was the he was hated by the people, that he overreached and did what he never talked about during his campaign. Everyday we heard that Democratic "base" had risen up and ready to throw out Walker. Even I was getting concerned.
I think you may want to see if you can broaden your exposure to a wider variety of news sites. Can you link to just one source presenting the Walker recall as a done deal?
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| Re: Scott Walker narrowly survives recall election. Posted by: Avenger
Date: June 06, 2012 12:01AM
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| Re: Scott Walker narrowly survives recall election. Posted by: Black
Date: June 06, 2012 12:10AM
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Oops, sorry my question wasn't clear.
Can you link to just one source presenting the Walker recall as a done deal? I'm really curious, thanks.
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| Re: Scott Walker narrowly survives recall election. Posted by: Ted King
Date: June 06, 2012 06:48AM
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There are probably many reasons Walker won so convincingly (by a larger margin than the last time those two faced each other) - a lot of which portend bad things for Democrats in the upcoming general election; e.g., over a third of union members voted for Walker (seems as though the Reagan Democrats are still a significant factor).
I'm getting pessimistic about Obama's reelection chances and the Democrats in congress's chances of holding a majority in either the House or Senate. Once again, there are a lot of reasons - the bad economic situation to which many people react emotionally by wanting to give the other party a try, Citizens United, white winners of the American economic game's attitudes (that doesn't imply a general sense of overt racism) toward the non-winners, voter suppression by Republicans in control of state governments, too many low income people's sense of powerlessness that leads them to not vote, etc.
Part of me thinks that maybe it would be better to just let the right wing of the Republican party (like Walker) have their way - they will be either be proven to be right and things will get substantially better and I'll have to reevaluate my views, or as I suspect, they would be proven to be very wrong and we can finally put them behind us once and for all. But it makes me sick to think of what I'm convinced now will be a LOT of unnecessary suffering if the right wing Republicans get their way.
I'm getting pessimistic about Obama's reelection chances and the Democrats in congress's chances of holding a majority in either the House or Senate. Once again, there are a lot of reasons - the bad economic situation to which many people react emotionally by wanting to give the other party a try, Citizens United, white winners of the American economic game's attitudes (that doesn't imply a general sense of overt racism) toward the non-winners, voter suppression by Republicans in control of state governments, too many low income people's sense of powerlessness that leads them to not vote, etc.
Part of me thinks that maybe it would be better to just let the right wing of the Republican party (like Walker) have their way - they will be either be proven to be right and things will get substantially better and I'll have to reevaluate my views, or as I suspect, they would be proven to be very wrong and we can finally put them behind us once and for all. But it makes me sick to think of what I'm convinced now will be a LOT of unnecessary suffering if the right wing Republicans get their way.
| Re: Scott Walker narrowly survives recall election. Posted by: Ted King
Date: June 06, 2012 06:54AM
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Avenger
AFSCME membership has gone from 62,000 to 28,000 in just one year. Looks like the membership just couldn't wait to get out. MSNBC is in full mourning.
If a majority of AFSCME members in Wisconsin hadn't wanted a union they could have gotten out of it by voting to get rid of it long before the last couple of years. As someone pointed out in another thread (I think), most likely the biggest reason for the large exodus is that after Walker and the other Republicans in Wisconsin changed the rules for public unions so drastically, the membership looked at what the union could do for them and saw that it was basically not much of anything anymore with those new rules so there wasn't much point in staying in it.
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| Re: Scott Walker narrowly survives recall election. Posted by: Avenger
Date: June 06, 2012 07:38AM
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| Re: Scott Walker narrowly survives recall election. Posted by: Avenger
Date: June 06, 2012 07:39AM
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AFSCME membership has gone from 62,000 to 28,000 in just one year. Looks like the membership just couldn't wait to get out. MSNBC is in full mourning.
If a majority of AFSCME members in Wisconsin hadn't wanted a union they could have gotten out of it by voting to get rid of it long before the last couple of years. As someone pointed out in another thread (I think), most likely the biggest reason for the large exodus is that after Walker and the other Republicans in Wisconsin changed the rules for public unions so drastically, the membership looked at what the union could do for them and saw that it was basically not much of anything anymore with those new rules so there wasn't much point in staying in it.
I am not up to speed on all that changed. Didn't the new rules stop requiring union membership?
| Re: Scott Walker narrowly survives recall election. Posted by: Sam3
Date: June 06, 2012 09:01AM
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Ted King
There are probably many reasons Walker won so convincingly (by a larger margin than the last time those two faced each other) - a lot of which portend bad things for Democrats in the upcoming general election; e.g., over a third of union members voted for Walker (seems as though the Reagan Democrats are still a significant factor).
I'm getting pessimistic about Obama's reelection chances and the Democrats in congress's chances of holding a majority in either the House or Senate. Once again, there are a lot of reasons - the bad economic situation to which many people react emotionally by wanting to give the other party a try, Citizens United, white winners of the American economic game's attitudes (that doesn't imply a general sense of overt racism) toward the non-winners, voter suppression by Republicans in control of state governments, too many low income people's sense of powerlessness that leads them to not vote, etc.
Part of me thinks that maybe it would be better to just let the right wing of the Republican party (like Walker) have their way - they will be either be proven to be right and things will get substantially better and I'll have to reevaluate my views, or as I suspect, they would be proven to be very wrong and we can finally put them behind us once and for all. But it makes me sick to think of what I'm convinced now will be a LOT of unnecessary suffering if the right wing Republicans get their way.
I'm feeling the same way, already I've been seeing anti-Obama ads running regularly, but no pro-Obama ads yet are airing. The power of the ad is pretty amazing, here the Michigan government wanted to create another entry point into Canada to alleviate the traffic, but the sole private bridge owner, who has a monopoly for getting people into and out of Canada, put up negative ads regularly for a period of months. The legislature finally vetoed the proposal, people were falling for the misleading information in the ads.
Truth-in-advertising pretty much doesn't exist anymore.
| Re: Scott Walker narrowly survives recall election. Posted by: Ombligo
Date: June 06, 2012 09:02AM
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What is annoying is it really boils down to the simple fact that the Dems can't run a campaign for @#$%&.
The Republicans approach an election like a campaign - professionally with clear goals and a clear message. If the GOP wanted too, they could run the exact same candidate as the Dems, with the same exact platform and likely get that candidate elected.
The Dems tend to approach an election as a cause; they get passionate and emotional. They in-fight over stuff that doesn't matter.. the message gets lost.
That is ultimately what happened in Wisconsin. The Dems Party establishiment started arguing with themselves and forgot about the voters. There is a very good chance that is what will happen in the presidential campaign.
The Dems need to steal a page from the GOP strategy plan; they need to hire the best political consultants they can (ideally away from the GOP). Then they need to get out of the way and let those consultants run the campaign. The goal is to win the election, if that isn't accomplished then nothing else can be.
You can tell a lot about a woman by her hands...
- For example, if they are wrapped around your throat she's probably slightly upset.
The Republicans approach an election like a campaign - professionally with clear goals and a clear message. If the GOP wanted too, they could run the exact same candidate as the Dems, with the same exact platform and likely get that candidate elected.
The Dems tend to approach an election as a cause; they get passionate and emotional. They in-fight over stuff that doesn't matter.. the message gets lost.
That is ultimately what happened in Wisconsin. The Dems Party establishiment started arguing with themselves and forgot about the voters. There is a very good chance that is what will happen in the presidential campaign.
The Dems need to steal a page from the GOP strategy plan; they need to hire the best political consultants they can (ideally away from the GOP). Then they need to get out of the way and let those consultants run the campaign. The goal is to win the election, if that isn't accomplished then nothing else can be.
You can tell a lot about a woman by her hands...
- For example, if they are wrapped around your throat she's probably slightly upset.
| Re: Scott Walker narrowly survives recall election. Posted by: Pam
Date: June 06, 2012 09:12AM
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Ted King
Part of me thinks that maybe it would be better to just let the right wing of the Republican party (like Walker) have their way - they will be either be proven to be right and things will get substantially better and I'll have to reevaluate my views, or as I suspect, they would be proven to be very wrong and we can finally put them behind us once and for all. But it makes me sick to think of what I'm convinced now will be a LOT of unnecessary suffering if the right wing Republicans get their way.
I've been thinking this for the last 4 years.
| Re: Scott Walker narrowly survives recall election. Posted by: Pam
Date: June 06, 2012 09:14AM
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Ombligo
What is annoying is it really boils down to the simple fact that the Dems can't run a campaign for @#$%&.
The Republicans approach an election like a campaign - professionally with clear goals and a clear message. If the GOP wanted too, they could run the exact same candidate as the Dems, with the same exact platform and likely get that candidate elected.
The Dems tend to approach an election as a cause; they get passionate and emotional. They in-fight over stuff that doesn't matter.. the message gets lost.
That is ultimately what happened in Wisconsin. The Dems Party establishiment started arguing with themselves and forgot about the voters. There is a very good chance that is what will happen in the presidential campaign.
The Dems need to steal a page from the GOP strategy plan; they need to hire the best political consultants they can (ideally away from the GOP). Then they need to get out of the way and let those consultants run the campaign. The goal is to win the election, if that isn't accomplished then nothing else can be.
The problem with democratic campaigns is that the party is so diverse it's hard to move as one unit. The Republican party is far more homogeneous making campaigns much, much easier.
| Re: Scott Walker narrowly survives recall election. Posted by: cbelt3
Date: June 06, 2012 09:27AM
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Pam-
You would think that. but that is also not the case. Both parties have been badly infected with fringe elements over time. Democrats react to detailed political issues like a classic 'herd of cats' react to a box of cat toys. Republicans act a bit more like a pack of dogs, but there have been a number of mutts in the party that act more like squirrels.
The Democratic party was less so in 2008... the herd of cats all wanted an end to Republican Party control, so they voted alike. The Republican party was also less so in 2010.. the herd of cats was under the sway of a large meowy straggle haired tea drinking mutt, and voted alike.
In this election the Democratic cats are busy arguing about detailed issues. And the Republicans ? Well, the squirrels are loose in the kennel, and the party seems to be spending most of its time chasing its own tail.
Black-
The Democratic candidate conceded the election last night. The fat lady done sung.
You would think that. but that is also not the case. Both parties have been badly infected with fringe elements over time. Democrats react to detailed political issues like a classic 'herd of cats' react to a box of cat toys. Republicans act a bit more like a pack of dogs, but there have been a number of mutts in the party that act more like squirrels.
The Democratic party was less so in 2008... the herd of cats all wanted an end to Republican Party control, so they voted alike. The Republican party was also less so in 2010.. the herd of cats was under the sway of a large meowy straggle haired tea drinking mutt, and voted alike.
In this election the Democratic cats are busy arguing about detailed issues. And the Republicans ? Well, the squirrels are loose in the kennel, and the party seems to be spending most of its time chasing its own tail.
Black-
The Democratic candidate conceded the election last night. The fat lady done sung.
| Re: Scott Walker narrowly survives recall election. Posted by: swampy
Date: June 06, 2012 09:33AM
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Good for the people of Wisconson! And perhaps this is a lesson for all of us that exit polls are bogus. The Tampa Tribune headline reads "Walker survives recall election". As if, in today's divisive times, an 11 point advantage was not a decisive win.
If you don't stand for something, you'll probably fall for anything.
If you don't stand for something, you'll probably fall for anything.
| Re: Scott Walker narrowly survives recall election. Posted by: Avenger
Date: June 06, 2012 09:43AM
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Ombligo
What is annoying is it really boils down to the simple fact that the Dems can't run a campaign for @#$%&.
The Republicans approach an election like a campaign - professionally with clear goals and a clear message. If the GOP wanted too, they could run the exact same candidate as the Dems, with the same exact platform and likely get that candidate elected.
The Dems tend to approach an election as a cause; they get passionate and emotional. They in-fight over stuff that doesn't matter.. the message gets lost.
That is ultimately what happened in Wisconsin. The Dems Party establishiment started arguing with themselves and forgot about the voters. There is a very good chance that is what will happen in the presidential campaign.
The Dems need to steal a page from the GOP strategy plan; they need to hire the best political consultants they can (ideally away from the GOP). Then they need to get out of the way and let those consultants run the campaign. The goal is to win the election, if that isn't accomplished then nothing else can be.
Did you ever think that perhaps people actually liked what Walker did? It takes a lot less contortion to explain what happened.
| Re: Scott Walker narrowly survives recall election. Posted by: Rick-o
Date: June 06, 2012 09:49AM
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Who let Dakota back in?
If I told you kids once, I've told you a thousand times! When you go out, close the damn door behind you!!
“There is no greater calling than to serve your fellow men. There is no greater contribution than to help the weak. There is no greater satisfaction than to have done it well.”
- Walter Reuther
If I told you kids once, I've told you a thousand times! When you go out, close the damn door behind you!!
“There is no greater calling than to serve your fellow men. There is no greater contribution than to help the weak. There is no greater satisfaction than to have done it well.”
- Walter Reuther
| Re: Scott Walker narrowly survives recall election. Posted by: $tevie
Date: June 06, 2012 09:56AM
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They think they like what Walker did. Time is going to prove me correct about his legerdemain. What people don't realize is that accounting chicanery is what caused state pensions to appear to swamp the budget boat, when in fact it was kicking the pension can down the road that has caused this. Sooner or later, when things are still effed up and there's no pensions to blame, this will all be seen as a massive con with the actual intention of union busting not budget balancing.
But Republicans ARE easier to herd because they buy into these memes lock, stock and barrel. They still think "trickle down" works! HA ha.
"Stop thinking about art works as objects, and start thinking about them as triggers for experiences." ~ Brian Eno
But Republicans ARE easier to herd because they buy into these memes lock, stock and barrel. They still think "trickle down" works! HA ha.
"Stop thinking about art works as objects, and start thinking about them as triggers for experiences." ~ Brian Eno
| Re: Scott Walker narrowly survives recall election. Posted by: Carnos Jax
Date: June 06, 2012 10:04AM
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| Re: Scott Walker narrowly survives recall election. Posted by: Acer
Date: June 06, 2012 10:05AM
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I think of the Walker win in simple pocketbook terms.
What was the end result of Walker's efforts in pocketbook terms? Require public employees to contribute to their pension and health care premiums. This has already long been a reality for most everyone else. It's easy to see why it might be tough to motivate the general public to really get excited about defending fringe benefits they don't have access to.
The MEANS by which Walker accomplished this is dubious in principle for those who lean left, but pocketbook tends to trump principle, especially for those who sit in the middle ideologically.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 06/06/2012 10:07AM by Acer.
What was the end result of Walker's efforts in pocketbook terms? Require public employees to contribute to their pension and health care premiums. This has already long been a reality for most everyone else. It's easy to see why it might be tough to motivate the general public to really get excited about defending fringe benefits they don't have access to.
The MEANS by which Walker accomplished this is dubious in principle for those who lean left, but pocketbook tends to trump principle, especially for those who sit in the middle ideologically.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 06/06/2012 10:07AM by Acer.
| Re: Scott Walker narrowly survives recall election. Posted by: Spock
Date: June 06, 2012 10:07AM
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| Re: Scott Walker narrowly survives recall election. Posted by: Acer
Date: June 06, 2012 10:08AM
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| Re: Scott Walker narrowly survives recall election. Posted by: Spock
Date: June 06, 2012 10:10AM
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| Re: Scott Walker narrowly survives recall election. Posted by: Pam
Date: June 06, 2012 10:12AM
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Pam-
You would think that. but that is also not the case. Both parties have been badly infected with fringe elements over time. Democrats react to detailed political issues like a classic 'herd of cats' react to a box of cat toys. Republicans act a bit more like a pack of dogs, but there have been a number of mutts in the party that act more like squirrels.
The Democratic party was less so in 2008... the herd of cats all wanted an end to Republican Party control, so they voted alike. The Republican party was also less so in 2010.. the herd of cats was under the sway of a large meowy straggle haired tea drinking mutt, and voted alike.
In this election the Democratic cats are busy arguing about detailed issues. And the Republicans ? Well, the squirrels are loose in the kennel, and the party seems to be spending most of its time chasing its own tail.
Black-
The Democratic candidate conceded the election last night. The fat lady done sung.
It is the case cbelt. Yes the Republican party has more subsets than 4-8 years ago, but it is far more homogeneous than the Democratic party.
| Re: Scott Walker narrowly survives recall election. Posted by: kanesa
Date: June 06, 2012 10:12AM
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It's a sad day. Many people felt that although they didn't agree with Walker, he had a right to finish his term. Wisconsin fairness. The only positive that occurred was the Democrats took control of the Senate. Although no legislative sessions are planned till after the November elections, Walker will probably not be calling any special sessions. He will now have to show he can create jobs. He promised 250,00 new jobs in his term. We have the worst record in the country for job creation. He may have to stay in WI and actually govern now. I blame the Supreme Court.
| Re: Scott Walker narrowly survives recall election. Posted by: Ombligo
Date: June 06, 2012 11:32AM
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Recall elections are tricky because there is always a group that will vote for the incumbent simply to avoid future issues. There is a great deal of logic to that thought process. Simply because once you have set the precedent then it is fair game for the other side to do likewise when the opportunity arises.
Following the Clinton impeachment, I think it is fair to say that the Democrats would have tried to impeach Bush if they had the majority in in the house and senate. That is a very dangerous road to tread.
But I have other worries - My fear is not which party controls the legislature or lives in the White House; politicians come and go with each election cycle. What concerns me is the overt politicization of the courts. Judges are in for life and can change this countries direction with a single vote.
It used to be that SCOTUS judges were selected based on their ability more than political ideology (though it obviously always played a role). Today we are seeing judges selected despite their ability based primarily on their politics.
But I digress.
You can tell a lot about a woman by her hands...
- For example, if they are wrapped around your throat she's probably slightly upset.
Following the Clinton impeachment, I think it is fair to say that the Democrats would have tried to impeach Bush if they had the majority in in the house and senate. That is a very dangerous road to tread.
But I have other worries - My fear is not which party controls the legislature or lives in the White House; politicians come and go with each election cycle. What concerns me is the overt politicization of the courts. Judges are in for life and can change this countries direction with a single vote.
It used to be that SCOTUS judges were selected based on their ability more than political ideology (though it obviously always played a role). Today we are seeing judges selected despite their ability based primarily on their politics.
But I digress.
You can tell a lot about a woman by her hands...
- For example, if they are wrapped around your throat she's probably slightly upset.
| Re: Scott Walker narrowly survives recall election. Posted by: Black
Date: June 06, 2012 11:38AM
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I don't think you understood what I was asking.Quote
cbelt3
Black-
The Democratic candidate conceded the election last night. The fat lady done sung.
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| Re: Scott Walker narrowly survives recall election. Posted by: Ted King
Date: June 06, 2012 02:56PM
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AFSCME membership has gone from 62,000 to 28,000 in just one year. Looks like the membership just couldn't wait to get out. MSNBC is in full mourning.
If a majority of AFSCME members in Wisconsin hadn't wanted a union they could have gotten out of it by voting to get rid of it long before the last couple of years. As someone pointed out in another thread (I think), most likely the biggest reason for the large exodus is that after Walker and the other Republicans in Wisconsin changed the rules for public unions so drastically, the membership looked at what the union could do for them and saw that it was basically not much of anything anymore with those new rules so there wasn't much point in staying in it.
I am not up to speed on all that changed. Didn't the new rules stop requiring union membership?
A majority of the membership could have voted to decertify the union any time they wanted.
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