Quote
swampy
Follow the money

Quote

But since the 2010 election, thanks to a conservative advocacy group founded by Weyrich, the GOP's effort to disrupt voting rights has been more widespread and effective than ever. In a systematic campaign orchestrated by the American Legislative Exchange Council – and funded in part by David and Charles Koch, the billionaire brothers who bankrolled the Tea Party – 38 states introduced legislation this year designed to impede voters at every step of the electoral process.

[www.rollingstone.com]

---

"Stop thinking about art works as objects, and start thinking about them as triggers for experiences." ~ Brian Eno

Look at all the effort the Republican National Lawyers Association has put into looking for examples of voter fraud, and how skimpy the list is:

[www.rnla.org]

You can follow the links to each example. Please note that not very many are for double voting, fictitious voter registration or voter impersonation. Most of the links lead to reports of accusations, not convictions -- and seem to be most often committed by candidates who tried to help themselves get an extra vote or two (pretty pathetic, guys, hope you enjoy your punishments), or people who actually didn't know they weren't legally able to vote. I can't find anything that looks like part of a vast left wing conspiracy to get illegal votes for Democrats. Perhaps someone else can.

---

"Stop thinking about art works as objects, and start thinking about them as triggers for experiences." ~ Brian Eno

Quote
swampy
Florida is aware of 53,000 dead people that are still registered!

Is there any proof that ANY of these dead people "voted"? Being a name on a list means nothing unless people are masquerading as the dead and voting in their stead. Show me some proof that this has happened and then maybe I will give a damn about names on a list.

---

"Stop thinking about art works as objects, and start thinking about them as triggers for experiences." ~ Brian Eno

Quote
$tevie

Quote

Published: April 12, 2007

WASHINGTON, April 11 — Five years after the Bush administration began a crackdown on voter fraud, the Justice Department has turned up virtually no evidence of any organized effort to skew federal elections, according to court records and interviews.

Although Republican activists have repeatedly said fraud is so widespread that it has corrupted the political process and, possibly, cost the party election victories, about 120 people have been charged and 86 convicted as of last year.

[www.nytimes.com]

All of that is irrelevant to those pushing for voter ID and purges, they will debate the details of a solution to something that's not a problem to death.

Engaging them in that debate will lead to the impression that there is a problem in need of a solution, which there is not. Debating the details of how to go about limiting the vote rather than debating the idea of limiting the vote is antithetical to our stated principals of citizen based government is a sideshow that serves their purpose quite well.

Quote
Short of locking them up, how do you do that?
ps

inmates have been known to vote. There gores my theory.

Inmates have the right to vote except in states that specifically prohibit it. Students also have that right except in states that put up barriers to keep them from voting.

"On the other hand, Dennis, there has never been a bigger push to perpetrate voter fraud than that by the Liberal side of politics." - swampy

You are out of your mind.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/11/2012 01:54PM by Dennis S.

* Fraud by individual voters is both irrational and extremely rare.
* Many vivid anecdotes of purported voter fraud have been proven false or do not demonstrate fraud.
* Voter fraud is often conflated with other forms of election misconduct.
* Raising the unsubstantiated specter of mass voter fraud suits a particular policy agenda.
* Claims of voter fraud should be carefully tested before they become the basis for action

Irrational, anecdotes, purported, conflates, unsubstantiated, claims......no editorial comment there /sarc

I guess some 113 criminal cases brought about by the investigations of ACORN violations and corruption are not "carefully" testing the presence of voter fraud. I doubt that individuals are the perpetrators since most known cases are confined to specific precincts or organizations. It's ironic to me how boxes of ballots " get misplaced" or there are attempts to disqualify certain absentee votes (as in Florida when the Democrats tried to toss a couple thousand military votes because they had an APO instead of a US postal post mark). You liberals worry about homeless voters, but don't seem to care about military voters? Oh wait, the military demographic tends to vote Republican and.........

---

If you don't stand for something, you'll probably fall for anything.

Quote
swampy
You liberals worry about homeless voters, but don't seem to care about military voters?

Key difference:

The absentee voters did get to vote. If someone tries to throw out their ballots, they can be stopped or challenged.

If a homeless person does not get to vote, then they do not get a second chance.


But keep telling yourself that democrats only get into office via fraud. You're not alone.

Quote
swampy
* Fraud by individual voters is both irrational and extremely rare.
* Many vivid anecdotes of purported voter fraud have been proven false or do not demonstrate fraud.
* Voter fraud is often conflated with other forms of election misconduct.
* Raising the unsubstantiated specter of mass voter fraud suits a particular policy agenda.
* Claims of voter fraud should be carefully tested before they become the basis for action

Irrational, anecdotes, purported, conflates, unsubstantiated, claims......no editorial comment there /sarc

I guess some 113 criminal cases brought about by the investigations of ACORN violations and corruption are not "carefully" testing the presence of voter fraud. I doubt that individuals are the perpetrators since most known cases are confined to specific precincts or organizations. It's ironic to me how boxes of ballots " get misplaced" or there are attempts to disqualify certain absentee votes (as in Florida when the Democrats tried to toss a couple thousand military votes because they had an APO instead of a US postal post mark). You liberals worry about homeless voters, but don't seem to care about military voters? Oh wait, the military demographic tends to vote Republican and.........

Registration fraud and voting fraud are not the same thing. When people are paid to register voters and pad their bottom line, that's not the same as someone voting under one of the bogus registrations.

As for tossing votes, pot is calling the kettle black. You should want your party to stop the petty crap too.

Uh, Swampy, you are aware that it has been reported that in Florida in 2000 uncounted ballot boxes went missing or were found in unexplained places or were never collected from certain African-American precincts? I know someone who was THERE in a line to vote and they were all told that the polls closed at eight o'clock and they couldn't vote even though they were in line. Guess what color the people in that line were?

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

---

"Stop thinking about art works as objects, and start thinking about them as triggers for experiences." ~ Brian Eno

Did I fail to mention missing ballot boxes?

It's obvious to me that there are abuses on both sides, but both sides don't seem as anxious to try to stop fraud. If purging the rolls or requiring photo IDs would help curb it, why is DoJ blocking attempts to clean up the system? "Disenfranchisement" is a straw man.

---

If you don't stand for something, you'll probably fall for anything.

Quote
swampy
Did I fail to mention missing ballot boxes?

It's obvious to me that there are abuses on both sides, but both sides don't seem as anxious to try to stop fraud. If purging the rolls or requiring photo IDs would help curb it, why is DoJ blocking attempts to clean up the system? "Disenfranchisement" is a straw man.

No, your argument is a straw man as already discussed. Photo ID will not have any real effect on fraud which is practically nonexistent. Photo ID's will however disenfranchise a lot of people who are legitimate voters.

Missing ballot boxes. That's Florida. Totally screwed up. But, it's bipartisan screw ups.