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"A new Gallup Poll released this week found that President Obama's support among liberals was at its lowest point in seven months, although it's still a solid majority of 70%.

What's clear is that the liberals speaking out don't want a president, they want a king. Albeit a liberal king -- but still a king, who would be unrestrained by Congress as well as the checks and balances enshrined in our Constitution."

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"To me, the liberals who are so very disappointed with President Obama either had unrealistic expectations for him, viewing him as a messianic figure who would magically solve all of our nation's woes, or simply refuse to grasp the reality of our American political system. In either case, the answer is: The problem is not Obama, it's you."

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Well put, sir. And, as noted in the article, applies to all of us , regardless of political alignment.

It is funny that the best defense Obama has is don't expect much of me. I am nobody.

Please explain how can you be liberal, socialist, communist, fascist and now royalist all at the same time.

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Please explain how can you be liberal, socialist, communist, fascist and now royalist all at the same time.

Easy.
You can have five different people with five different opinions looking at you.

You *do* realize these are opinions. And, of course, opinions are like :@#$%&:

Everyone has one, and most of them stink.

Every Ideologue wants their benevolent dictator. This isn't limited to the looney left.

"We could prove our theories are the best and work great if the other side would just stop resisting us!"

is there really anything in that article worth considering?

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Please explain how can you be liberal, socialist, communist, fascist and now royalist all at the same time.

The author makes a valid point about the insanity of thinking a President can walk into office and fix everything overnight. But the meme that liberals thought Obama was a messiah is very tired. I remember 2008, obviously, and there was a definite and deliberate push to paint the pleasure which people felt at seeing the Bush era come to an end as some sort of pathetic belief in fairy tales. Apparently the right's list of No-Nos includes optimism and enthusiasm -- they are much more comfortable with misery and complaints, as five minutes of any talk radio show can demonstrate. So we ended up with this totally stupid fable about how "liberals" believed Obama was a "messiah", just another piece of propaganda to which many people in this country are so vulnerable.

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So we ended up with this totally stupid fable about how "liberals" believed Obama was a "messiah", just another piece of propaganda to which many people in this country are so vulnerable.

People constantly fainting over him did not help.

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You can't figure out that he was cracking jokes? duh.

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What's clear is that the liberals speaking out don't want a president, they want a king. Albeit a liberal king -- but still a king, who would be unrestrained by Congress as well as the checks and balances enshrined in our Constitution.


This is such complete and utter @#$%& I can barely control my temper. We liberals want want most Americans want: a congress that is part of a functioning government, and not a congress who's main focus is undermining the president.

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Obama in Messiah mode during the campaign of 2008...

"I am absolutely certain that generations from now we will be able to look back and tell our children that this is the moment we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs for the jobless; this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal; this was the moment when we ended a war and secured our nation and restored our image as the last, best hope on earth."

the lib's biggest fear is that Obama's own words and promises will be his downfall in November. And ther is so much to quote. So many promises broken.

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If you don't stand for something, you'll probably fall for anything.

He said "we". The fact that the majority of the House wasn't interested in lending a hand is not, in fact, Obama's fault.

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A dysfunctional government is self-limiting in this respect: eventually a strong-man, either with consent of the people or without, arrives to fill the vacuum. It even happened in our own democracy with FDR. His control was far from absolute, but he made radical changes and was voted in for four terms.

However, I can see the right falling prey to the benevolent dictator just as readily as any side. Just look at the beatification of Reagan--if he were ten years younger and there weren't constitutional term limits, dimes to doughnuts he would have stood for election again in 1988.



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He said "we". The fact that the majority of the House wasn't interested in lending a hand is not, in fact, Obama's fault.

He had a majority in the House for two years and he still couldn't heal the earth, $tevie.

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He said "we". The fact that the majority of the House wasn't interested in lending a hand is not, in fact, Obama's fault.

He had a majority in the House for two years and he still couldn't heal the earth, $tevie.

you're not familiar with how congress works.

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This proves what I said. Some people have no idea how to respond to optimism and enthusiasm. IF it isn't snarky and demeaning to someone, they can't even process it.

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and not a congress who's main focus is undermining the president.

Like "this war is lost" proclamations?

Compared to Bush he was a messiah. However, compared to other past presidents of the last couple of decades he was just so so. I don't know of any liberals that buy into the republican soundbite that Obama was a "messiah" or even close. This is purely a republican construct designed to denigrate democrats. Nothing more.

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I'm curious what your rankings would be. please post.

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Compared to Bush he was a messiah. However, compared to other past presidents of the last couple of decades he was just so so. I don't know of any liberals that buy into the republican soundbite that Obama was a "messiah" or even close. This is purely a republican construct designed to denigrate democrats. Nothing more.

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"A new Gallup Poll released this week found that President Obama's support among liberals was at its lowest point in seven months, although it's still a solid majority of 70%.

What's clear is that the liberals speaking out don't want a president, they want a king. Albeit a liberal king -- but still a king, who would be unrestrained by Congress as well as the checks and balances enshrined in our Constitution."

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"To me, the liberals who are so very disappointed with President Obama either had unrealistic expectations for him, viewing him as a messianic figure who would magically solve all of our nation's woes, or simply refuse to grasp the reality of our American political system. In either case, the answer is: The problem is not Obama, it's you."

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Well put, sir. And, as noted in the article, applies to all of us , regardless of political alignment.

I think this applies to Chicago better than to the White House. We have a city council made up of Alderman representing 50 wards and had a shot at a true representative government, but voters overwhelmingly chose another "king" who tells the Alderman how they're going to vote, lest it be "off with their heads."

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I don't know of any liberals that buy into the republican soundbite that Obama was a "messiah" or even close. This is purely a republican construct designed to denigrate democrats. Nothing more.

^simple truth^

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I don't know of any liberals that buy into the republican soundbite that Obama was a "messiah" or even close. This is purely a republican construct designed to denigrate democrats. Nothing more.

^simple truth^

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Well said, davester.

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Obama in Messiah mode during the campaign of 2008...

"I am absolutely certain that generations from now we will be able to look back and tell our children that this is the moment we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs for the jobless; this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal; this was the moment when we ended a war and secured our nation and restored our image as the last, best hope on earth."

the lib's biggest fear is that Obama's own words and promises will be his downfall in November. And ther is so much to quote. So many promises broken.

"began to... " is not saying that all is done and complete.

Yes, there were broken promises. Name one president who did not break a promise. That is not necessarily a bad thing. Reality should trump campaign promises.

Bush broke no promises, right? What about his dad (no new taxes)? If the righties held W to the same standards they are holding Obama to, Bush would have been thrown out on his ear.

By most, if not all, metrics, Bush was FAR worse of a president than Obama, and it is not even close (but the righties here will defend him, tooth and nail, based ONLY on politics). Obama may not be the leader I was hoping he would turn out to be, but he beats the cr@p out of what Bush did.

When the people in your party are absolute failures in leadership, the only thing to do is to attack Obama. The GOP has NOTHING solid to offer this country (unless you are rich).

I have asked this before (multiple times, and yet no answers) but I will ask it again: Without mentioning Obama, what will the GOP do in 2012 to help struggling middle class families to better their lives? The Democrats have plans and they have laid them out.

It is telling that the righties here either do not answer questions like this or just double down on the attacks. Either they have nothing positive to say about their own party or are merely negative little trolls.

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Compared to Bush he was a messiah. However, compared to other past presidents of the last couple of decades he was just so so. I don't know of any liberals that buy into the republican soundbite that Obama was a "messiah" or even close. This is purely a republican construct designed to denigrate democrats. Nothing more.

Or maybe we're just not liberals here.

I just wanted him to push the agenda he campaigned on.

Is that "liberal" ...?

His promises seemed very conservative to me.

...But then again, "conservative" seems to have meant something different when I was growing up than it does now. My definition of the word doesn't seem to fit the way it's used today.

Well, I'm a liberal and I don't want a king. I read the CNN article and I think it's idiotic. I also think that it's obvious that the Republicans in the Senate have been the most obstructionist group since before the Civil War, that they have been intent on destroying Obama's presidency even at the cost of American security, jobs, and growth, and to a certain extent they have been successful in their treason. It would be nice if the American people would recognize this and reject further anti-American behavior by the Republican Party.

The Republicans in the Senate? The Dems still have a majority in the Senate and control of which bills reach the floor. You cant blame it all on the Repubs.

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The Republicans in the Senate? The Dems still have a majority in the Senate and control of which bills reach the floor. You cant blame it all on the Repubs.

[www.google]. com/#hl=en&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=GOP+fillibuster

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Again, how do you illibuster a bill that doesn't even get brought to the floor for discussion? Harry Reid is the biggest obstructionist on Capital Hill. I assume that is because he doesn't feel he has support among his own party to defeat them.

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If you don't stand for something, you'll probably fall for anything.

I know you were not a spelling teacher (or history, math, science, political, science, philosophy or critical thinking for that matter).

illibuster???

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You knew exactly what I said.

Yeah. You said illibuster.

Maybe it was a tribute to the Beastie Boys.

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Again, how do you illibuster a bill that doesn't even get brought to the floor for discussion? Harry Reid is the biggest obstructionist on Capital Hill. I assume that is because he doesn't feel he has support among his own party to defeat them.

I'm sorry, I need some help here. Which bill are you referring to? Who is "them?"

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"The Bill" being any bill that comes out of Congress by Republicans (them).

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BILLS REPUBLICANS HAVE BLOCKED
as of January 3, 2011

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Here’s just a short list of some of the bills that Republicans have blocked, or attempted to block, since Obama became President:

Tax on Companies that ship jobs overseas- A bill that would have eliminated a tax break that companies get when they ship jobs overseas. Republicans blocked this, allowing companies to keep the tax break they receive when they ship jobs to other countries.

Political Ad disclosure bill - Would have required all donors to political campaigns to reveal themselves. Republicans blocked this, not once but twice.

Subpoena Power for the Committee investigating the BP Oil Spill – Give subpoena power to the independent committee responsible for investigating BP’s roll in the oil spill. Republicans attempted to block this.

The Small Business Jobs Act - would give LOCAL, community banks access to billions of dollars to loan to small businesses. Republicans blocked this, then attempted to block it a second time and failed.

The DREAM Act - Gives immigrant youth who were brought here as children a path to citizenship by earning a college degree or serving the military for 2 years. Republicans blocked this.

Repeal of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” - Would have repealed the law that forces gay and lesbian services members to lie about their sexuality and gives the military the right to discharge soldiers based on their sexuality. Republicans blocked this many times and Democrats were finally able to pass it with the support of just 2 Republicans.


And here’s the bills that Republicans had blocked when we compiled our first list;

Senator Franken’s Anti-Rape Amendment to the Defense Appropriations Bill – Makes it so that women raped overseas while working for foreign contractors have the right to have their case heard in an American court instead of having their case mediated by the company they work for. Only Republican men voted against this, but it passed.

Benefits for Homeless Veterans - Would have expanded benefits to homeless veterans and homeless veterans with children. Republicans blocked this.

Affordable Health Care For America Act - Prevents insurance companies from discriminating against you on the basis of “pre-existing conditions”. Requires that insurance companies spend 85 cents of every dollar that you pay on your actual health care. Limits health insurance companies profit margins. Republicans blocked this for months before it finally passed and have vowed to repeal it if they are elected.

Health Care for the 9/11 First Responders who got sick from being at Ground Zero - Would provide billions of dollars in health care to help the 9/11 First Responders who were at Ground Zero on 9/11 and are now sick because of it. Republicans blocked this.

The Jobs Bill - Offsets the payroll tax for 1 year for companies that hire new employees, or people receiving unemployment insurance. Also gives other tax incentives to companies hiring new employees. Republicans attempted to block this.

Wall Street Reform - Puts stricter regulations on the banks, preventing them from becoming “too big to fail”. Curbs reckless spending practices that caused the banking crisis. Republicans attempted to block this.

American Recovery and Reinvestment Act - Pumped billions of dollars into state and local Governments to prevent us from sinking into a second Great Depression. Republicans opposed this but now want to take credit for the parts of it that we know are successful.

Oil Spill Liability - Raises the liability on what companies can be made to pay to clean up after an oil spill. Republicans blocked this.

Immigration Reform - Republican suggested comprehensive immigration reform until Obama supported it. Now they’re rabidly opposed to it and even voted against their own legislation. Republicans blocked this.

Unemployment extension bill HR-4213 - Would provide additional aid to the millions of Americans still on unemployment who are just trying to support themselves and their families. Republicans blocked this bill for 8 weeks before it finally passed. Republicans blocked this for 8 weeks before it finally passed.

Fair Pay Act of 2009 - Also called the Lily Ledbetter bill. Requires that women receive equal compensation to men for doing the same work. Republicans attempted to block this.

The next time someone tells you that the Republicans care about the American people just give them this list of all the bill Republicans wanted to fail.

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