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| Obama responding to Republican lies Posted by: Black
Date: June 08, 2012 08:44PM
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So, it's no surprise to anyone that the Republican strategy for trying to retake the white house is to pick a lie/distortion/misquote and keep hammering it home as long as it seems to have legs . . . personally I think Obama's responding and clarifying immediately, as evidenced here, is the right approach, although some may think doing so may drag him down into the same mud his attackers are wallowing in.
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| Re: Obama responding to Republican lies Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: June 08, 2012 08:53PM
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Didn't it used to be the process where you said something that turned out to be wrong/outright-lie, that you apologized and pulled the ad? Mittens is having none of that. I don't know if he is counting on IOIYAR, he does not care because he has no morals, or if he is so out of touch that he has not heard how bad it has gotten.
in tha 510.
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| Re: Obama responding to Republican lies Posted by: decay
Date: June 08, 2012 09:38PM
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| Re: Obama responding to Republican lies Posted by: Dennis S
Date: June 08, 2012 09:40PM
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Here's a list of some of Romney's lies:
[www.dailykos.com]
I hear clips of him on the radio just slinging total BS out there like it was nothing. I never hear of him correcting or apologizing for his lies.
[www.dailykos.com]
I hear clips of him on the radio just slinging total BS out there like it was nothing. I never hear of him correcting or apologizing for his lies.
| Re: Obama responding to Republican lies Posted by: Black
Date: June 08, 2012 10:05PM
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I didn't notice it as much the last election cycle, but Romney lies happily and easily, and prolifically. He's a slimy disgusting POS without any conscience whatsoever.
We need to swift-boat his lying ass back to whatever rock he crawled out from under. Will "LIAR" have any effect, or will his potential supporters feel that the ends justify the means?
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We need to swift-boat his lying ass back to whatever rock he crawled out from under. Will "LIAR" have any effect, or will his potential supporters feel that the ends justify the means?
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| Re: Obama responding to Republican lies Posted by: Ca Bob
Date: June 08, 2012 10:05PM
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| Re: Obama responding to Republican lies Posted by: Black
Date: June 08, 2012 10:06PM
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Dennis S
Here's a list of some of Romney's lies:
[www.dailykos.com]
I hear clips of him on the radio just slinging total BS out there like it was nothing. I never hear of him correcting or apologizing for his lies.
Unfortunately the target audience doesn't seem to have the patience to follow links most of the time.
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| Re: Obama responding to Republican lies Posted by: hal
Date: June 08, 2012 10:22PM
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this thread seems to have nothing to do with the article in the OP
Yes, republicans lie - not like we haven't talked about that before...
But with regard to the article posted... Frankly, this makes Obama look rather Romneyesque to me.... Saying that the private sector is fine (when it isn't) isn't a statement that anyone should vigorously defend.
The Private Sector is simply the area of the economy not controlled by the government and it ain't fine. Sure, things are improving, but that is not the same as fine. That's a long, long way from fine.
In a few years, we'll have a 'who said what' list of stupid gaffs and I bet most would attribute this loser to Romney - because it was a stupid thing to say. It's right up there with "I'm not concerned about the very poor".
Yes, republicans lie - not like we haven't talked about that before...
But with regard to the article posted... Frankly, this makes Obama look rather Romneyesque to me.... Saying that the private sector is fine (when it isn't) isn't a statement that anyone should vigorously defend.
The Private Sector is simply the area of the economy not controlled by the government and it ain't fine. Sure, things are improving, but that is not the same as fine. That's a long, long way from fine.
In a few years, we'll have a 'who said what' list of stupid gaffs and I bet most would attribute this loser to Romney - because it was a stupid thing to say. It's right up there with "I'm not concerned about the very poor".
| Re: Obama responding to Republican lies Posted by: Black
Date: June 08, 2012 10:48PM
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hal
this thread seems to have nothing to do with the article in the OP
Yes, republicans lie - not like we haven't talked about that before...
But with regard to the article posted... Frankly, this makes Obama look rather Romneyesque to me.... Saying that the private sector is fine (when it isn't) isn't a statement that anyone should vigorously defend.
The Private Sector is simply the area of the economy not controlled by the government and it ain't fine. Sure, things are improving, but that is not the same as fine. That's a long, long way from fine.
In a few years, we'll have a 'who said what' list of stupid gaffs and I bet most would attribute this loser to Romney - because it was a stupid thing to say. It's right up there with "I'm not concerned about the very poor".
"The economy is not doing fine. There are too many people out of work. The housing market is still weak and too many homes underwater. And that's precisely why I asked Congress to start taking some steps that can make a difference," Obama said. But he also insisted that "we've actually seen some good momentum in the private sector."
OK, so have we not seen "good momentum" in the private sector, or are we back to square one on this one?
I have stated before and I'll state again that it was not fair to take "I'm not concerned about the very poor" as a stand-alone statement . . . would prefer to see neither side sink that low.
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| Re: Obama responding to Republican lies Posted by: Avenger
Date: June 08, 2012 11:02PM
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| Re: Obama responding to Republican lies Posted by: Black
Date: June 08, 2012 11:22PM
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Avenger
I don't know what the controversy is. He has already retracted what he said(or did he?). Do you have an issue with him now?
Who--me? Or hal?
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| Re: Obama responding to Republican lies Posted by: hal
Date: June 08, 2012 11:38PM
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Black
OK, so have we not seen "good momentum" in the private sector, or are we back to square one on this one?.
IMO, neither. I'd say that we've moved off the bottom and are going in the right direction, but we are not out of the woods yet. A continued upward path is not assured. Things are not fine - yet. They might be if things continue to go well. It's too early to claim victory. It's too early for 'fine'.
And that's coming from me - I'm not one of the people he's trying to win over. The whole point of the press conference was to show that he's working the problem - he's on the job. But all that most have seen is him with a big 'Mission Accomplished' banner behind him. What a disaster...
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Black
I have stated before and I'll state again that it was not fair to take "I'm not concerned about the very poor" as a stand-alone statement . . . would prefer to see neither side sink that low.
But you WILL admit that it was an incredibly stupid thing to say - right? There were a million ways to make the point he was trying to make without, "I'm not concerned about the very poor" being a part of it.
| Re: Obama responding to Republican lies Posted by: john dough
Date: June 08, 2012 11:52PM
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| Re: Obama responding to Republican lies Posted by: Black
Date: June 08, 2012 11:56PM
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Black
OK, so have we not seen "good momentum" in the private sector, or are we back to square one on this one?.
IMO, neither. I'd say that we've moved off the bottom and are going in the right direction, but we are not out of the woods yet. A continued upward path is not assured. Things are not fine - yet. They might be if things continue to go well. It's too early to claim victory. It's too early for 'fine'.
And that's coming from me - I'm not one of the people he's trying to win over. The whole point of the press conference was to show that he's working the problem - he's on the job. But all that most have seen is him with a big 'Mission Accomplished' banner behind him. What a disaster...Quote
Black
I have stated before and I'll state again that it was not fair to take "I'm not concerned about the very poor" as a stand-alone statement . . . would prefer to see neither side sink that low.
But you WILL admit that it was an incredibly stupid thing to say - right? There were a million ways to make the point he was trying to make without, "I'm not concerned about the very poor" being a part of it.
Yes, incredibly stupid, sure . . . but I don't know of anyone who speaks publicly as much, and sleeps as little as a presidential candidate, so I can forgive a moment of verbal stupidity now and then.
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| Re: Obama responding to Republican lies Posted by: hal
Date: June 09, 2012 12:20AM
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So, are you grouping Obama's 'fine' in that category of things said as a result of sleepiness? or is he simply right iyo?
I might go with the sleepiness thing, but I say that the statement is wrong with or without more context. And further... there were no lies to confront - they just came out and said, "Fine??!! Whattaya mean fine???
and I say that they were right...
He later rephrased the statement to, "...we've actually seen some good momentum in the private sector."
This is a completely different statement. THIS statement I have no problem with.
I might go with the sleepiness thing, but I say that the statement is wrong with or without more context. And further... there were no lies to confront - they just came out and said, "Fine??!! Whattaya mean fine???
and I say that they were right...
He later rephrased the statement to, "...we've actually seen some good momentum in the private sector."
This is a completely different statement. THIS statement I have no problem with.
| Re: Obama responding to Republican lies Posted by: Black
Date: June 09, 2012 07:42AM
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hal
So, are you grouping Obama's 'fine' in that category of things said as a result of sleepiness? or is he simply right iyo?
I might go with the sleepiness thing, but I say that the statement is wrong with or without more context. And further... there were no lies to confront - they just came out and said, "Fine??!! Whattaya mean fine???
and I say that they were right...
He later rephrased the statement to, "...we've actually seen some good momentum in the private sector."
This is a completely different statement. THIS statement I have no problem with.
I just don't believe he really thinks the "private sector is doing fine" and I don't think he could have possibly intended to spin it as such. I think in his mind it was improving, maybe moving at a pace he thinks is acceptable in the context of a steady economic recovery-- basically as per his clarification-- yes, I do think his unfortunate statement had to have been borne of not being at his best for whatever reason.
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| Re: Obama responding to Republican lies Posted by: swampy
Date: June 09, 2012 07:54AM
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| Re: Obama responding to Republican lies Posted by: Black
Date: June 09, 2012 08:20AM
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swampy
He didn't have his teleprompters to read from.
Why not?
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| Re: Obama responding to Republican lies Posted by: davester
Date: June 09, 2012 10:02AM
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swampy
He didn't have his teleprompters to read from.
When you've got nothing to say, fall back on a dumbass republican meme.
"So be proud to be a decent American instead of just a w'anker whipping up fear!" - Michael D. Higgins, President of Ireland
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| Re: Obama responding to Republican lies Posted by: swampy
Date: June 09, 2012 12:16PM
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| Re: Obama responding to Republican lies Posted by: $tevie
Date: June 09, 2012 12:22PM
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If taken in context I read it as meaning that the private sector is doing fine in terms of beginning to grow again, while the public sector is not doing fine because it is shrinking instead of beginning to grow. Out of context it sounds stupid.
I am glad we can talk about this instead of WHY the private sector gained jobs while the public sector lost them, because this is easy to discuss while the latter topic would be too hard and no fun at all.
"Stop thinking about art works as objects, and start thinking about them as triggers for experiences." ~ Brian Eno
I am glad we can talk about this instead of WHY the private sector gained jobs while the public sector lost them, because this is easy to discuss while the latter topic would be too hard and no fun at all.
"Stop thinking about art works as objects, and start thinking about them as triggers for experiences." ~ Brian Eno
| Re: Obama responding to Republican lies Posted by: Dennis S
Date: June 09, 2012 01:04PM
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| Re: Obama responding to Republican lies Posted by: Black
Date: June 09, 2012 02:19PM
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$tevie
If taken in context I read it as meaning that the private sector is doing fine in terms of beginning to grow again, while the public sector is not doing fine because it is shrinking instead of beginning to grow. Out of context it sounds stupid.
I am glad we can talk about this instead of WHY the private sector gained jobs while the public sector lost them, because this is easy to discuss while the latter topic would be too hard and no fun at all.
I think just the fact that we moved beyond questioning the basic composition of the thread to at least nominally discussing politics was a significant achievement here.
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| Re: Obama responding to Republican lies Posted by: DCrunch
Date: June 09, 2012 03:14PM
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| Re: Obama responding to Republican lies Posted by: $tevie
Date: June 09, 2012 04:20PM
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personally I think Obama's responding and clarifying immediately, as evidenced here, is the right approach
I meant to answer this from the start but got distracted by the silly. I agree with you. One thing that has bugged me about Democrats is the way they think the smell will go away if you just ignore it...
"Stop thinking about art works as objects, and start thinking about them as triggers for experiences." ~ Brian Eno
| Re: Obama responding to Republican lies Posted by: Pam
Date: June 09, 2012 06:47PM
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| Re: Obama responding to Republican lies Posted by: hal
Date: June 09, 2012 06:57PM
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| Re: Obama responding to Republican lies Posted by: Black
Date: June 09, 2012 07:11PM
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hal
the teleprompter is a BIG DEAL among the looney right - no idea why...
Do people really think these politicians just wing it?
It's not complicated. Black man can't possibly have the verbal skills to speak coherently/eloquently/intelligently unless reading verbatim from a script written by someone else.
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| Re: Obama responding to Republican lies Posted by: Black
Date: June 09, 2012 07:13PM
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BTW hal you are correct-- I hadn't read up on the "private sector fine" outrage-- I used it as a springboard toward discussion of whether responding to every jab is the way to go, but "lie" is not the best characterization.
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| Re: Obama responding to Republican lies Posted by: Black
Date: June 09, 2012 07:16PM
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personally I think Obama's responding and clarifying immediately, as evidenced here, is the right approach
I meant to answer this from the start but got distracted by the silly. I agree with you. One thing that has bugged me about Democrats is the way they think the smell will go away if you just ignore it...
I always have to think back to GHWB's repeated attack on Dukakis as "A card carrying member of the ACLU." I wanted so badly for Dukakis to respond with a basic explanation of what the ACLU is and what it does for the unwashed masses, but I guess that seemed like giving too much credence to what at the time seemed like a very slimy tactic (but now in retrospect seems mild . . .).
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| Re: Obama responding to Republican lies Posted by: Avenger
Date: June 09, 2012 09:58PM
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