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Defending one's Daughter... This is how it's done.
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: June 11, 2012 03:29PM
[www.cnn.com]

"(CNN) -- A Texas father caught a man sexually assaulting his 4-year-old daughter and punched him in the head repeatedly, killing him, authorities said."

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NOT like this:
[www.cnn.com]
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Re: Defending one's Daughter... This is how it's done.
Posted by: Grateful11
Date: June 11, 2012 04:18PM
I say the guy had it coming to him, good riddance.
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Re: Defending one's Daughter... This is how it's done.
Posted by: $tevie
Date: June 11, 2012 04:22PM
There are some people who believe that vengeance belongs to the Lord.


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Re: Defending one's Daughter... This is how it's done.
Posted by: hal
Date: June 11, 2012 05:35PM
The article said that he was terribly remorseful - that he didn't think that he had killed the guy. Pretty hard to insist that guy act rationally when walking in on someone abusing his 4 year old girl.
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Re: Defending one's Daughter... This is how it's done.
Posted by: Chakravartin
Date: June 11, 2012 05:47PM
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Grateful11
I say the guy had it coming to him, good riddance.

If the facts match the allegation, I'd call it a defensible reaction that shouldn't incur jail-time for the dad.

"Had it coming?"

Was the man beyond redemption?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/11/2012 05:48PM by Chakravartin.
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Re: Defending one's Daughter... This is how it's done.
Posted by: Pam
Date: June 11, 2012 05:49PM
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hal
The article said that he was terribly remorseful - that he didn't think that he had killed the guy. Pretty hard to insist that guy act rationally when walking in on someone abusing his 4 year old girl.

I agree. Had I walked into such a thing I would have beaten the guy senseless too. Not intending to kill, but definitely to hurt badly. If he died, I'd feel remorse too but would not have regretted my actions.
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Re: Defending one's Daughter... This is how it's done.
Posted by: Spock
Date: June 11, 2012 05:52PM
I think the Texas defense is "He needed killin' ".





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Re: Defending one's Daughter... This is how it's done.
Posted by: $tevie
Date: June 11, 2012 05:54PM
I do in fact agree with everyone, but I am sad that the man has to live with that vision in his head of what he saw, and with the knowledge that he killed someone, for the rest of his life. I feel very sorry for him.


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Re: Defending one's Daughter... This is how it's done.
Posted by: Black
Date: June 11, 2012 06:30PM
The perp would not have stopped what he was doing unless punched in the head?
Why is all child abuse not punishable by swift execution in this country if public opinion seems to lean so strongly in that direction?


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Re: Defending one's Daughter... This is how it's done.
Posted by: Pam
Date: June 11, 2012 06:33PM
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Black
The perp would not have stopped what he was doing unless punched in the head?
Why is all child abuse not punishable by swift execution in this country if public opinion seems to lean so strongly in that direction?

What you do in the heat of the moment when you see your child being molested is not the same thing you'd do or agree to outside of that moment.
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Re: Defending one's Daughter... This is how it's done.
Posted by: Pops
Date: June 11, 2012 07:10PM
The daughter and father are the victims here. I hope they get whatever help they need to move on with their lives. This is just a horrible story.
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Re: Defending one's Daughter... This is how it's done.
Posted by: hal
Date: June 11, 2012 07:22PM
well said Pam...

Not sure what you're asking Black - I'm sure the guy stopped what he was doing as soon as dad came in. The punching was reflex.

Or would you expect the following...

'HEY, WHAT ARE YOU DOING???!!!'

'Molesting your little girl...'

'Stop it!!'

'Ok, sorry'

'Ok, get back out there and groom the horses'

'ok'
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Re: Defending one's Daughter... This is how it's done.
Posted by: freeradical
Date: June 11, 2012 07:35PM
He would have been killed in prison anyway...
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Re: Defending one's Daughter... This is how it's done.
Posted by: mrbigstuff
Date: June 11, 2012 10:01PM
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hal
well said Pam...

Not sure what you're asking Black - I'm sure the guy stopped what he was doing as soon as dad came in. The punching was reflex.
Or would you expect the following...

'HEY, WHAT ARE YOU DOING???!!!'

'Molesting your little girl...'

'Stop it!!'

'Ok, sorry'

'Ok, get back out there and groom the horses'

'ok'

+1
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Re: Defending one's Daughter... This is how it's done.
Posted by: Grateful11
Date: June 11, 2012 11:33PM
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Chakravartin
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Grateful11
I say the guy had it coming to him, good riddance.

If the facts match the allegation, I'd call it a defensible reaction that shouldn't incur jail-time for the dad.

"Had it coming?"

Was the man beyond redemption?

He'll get his judgement if he hasn't already. I've already lost one child, not at the hands of another
individual, but when put in a situation where your child is concerned you might be surprised what
you might do. That's as far as I'm going with you on this one.
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Re: Defending one's Daughter... This is how it's done.
Posted by: swampy
Date: June 12, 2012 09:19AM
I'm sure the father feels some remose, but probably takes comfort that the pedophile can no longer hurt his daughter or others and there will be no long drawn out legal ordeal for his daughter or family to have to go through.




If you don't stand for something, you'll probably fall for anything.
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Re: Defending one's Daughter... This is how it's done.
Posted by: Bill in NC
Date: June 12, 2012 09:27AM
One of the risks of committing a criminal act is being injured or killed.
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Re: Defending one's Daughter... This is how it's done.
Posted by: Dennis S
Date: June 12, 2012 01:44PM
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swampy
I'm sure the father feels some remose, but probably takes comfort that the pedophile can no longer hurt his daughter or others and there will be no long drawn out legal ordeal for his daughter or family to have to go through.

What about a long drawn out legal ordeal for him?

Is he going to be charged with anything? I haven't kept up.
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Re: Defending one's Daughter... This is how it's done.
Posted by: swampy
Date: June 12, 2012 01:59PM
I doubt he will be charged. Justifiable homicide?




If you don't stand for something, you'll probably fall for anything.
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Re: Defending one's Daughter... This is how it's done.
Posted by: Dennis S
Date: June 12, 2012 02:48PM
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swampy
I doubt he will be charged. Justifiable homicide?

I hope you're right.
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Re: Defending one's Daughter... This is how it's done.
Posted by: Gutenberg
Date: June 12, 2012 02:52PM
Second-degree manslaughter, committed while in ungovernable rage. PBJ. That's my bet. That, or a stet, but I do not know if you can stet manslaughter.
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Re: Defending one's Daughter... This is how it's done.
Posted by: Black
Date: June 12, 2012 04:52PM
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hal
well said Pam...

Not sure what you're asking Black - I'm sure the guy stopped what he was doing as soon as dad came in. The punching was reflex.
Not what article says:
The father returned to the house, caught the man in the act, and stopped him by striking him in the head several times,

Not sure why you think I need it explained to me why the father would be inclined to punch the perp, assuming the events are as all of you are assuming (the girl could have just been sitting in the guy's lap for all the detailed info available to any of you.)


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Re: Defending one's Daughter... This is how it's done.
Posted by: Black
Date: June 12, 2012 04:53PM
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Dennis S
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swampy
I'm sure the father feels some remose, but probably takes comfort that the pedophile can no longer hurt his daughter or others and there will be no long drawn out legal ordeal for his daughter or family to have to go through.

What about a long drawn out legal ordeal for him?

Is he going to be charged with anything? I haven't kept up.

From the link in the OP:
Once the investigation is completed we will submit it to the district attorney who then submits it to the grand jury, who will decide if they will indict him."


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Re: Defending one's Daughter... This is how it's done.
Posted by: Rolando
Date: June 12, 2012 08:17PM
I would have killed him. I would have felt remorseful afterwards.


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Re: Defending one's Daughter... This is how it's done.
Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: June 13, 2012 06:35AM
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Black
the girl could have just been sitting in the guy's lap for all the detailed info available to any of you.

Having a young daughter, I can tell you that I could have done what this guy did. Practicing tameshiwari on his head in the heat of the moment would be justifiable.

But you bring up the point that no one wants to mention. Once the guy says that the victim was a child diddler, no one wants to try and defend him (the diddler, that is). Most people's immediate reaction is "He deserved it."

Maybe the alleged diddler was banging his wife and he found out about it and went and killed the guy, who happened to be with his daughter.

So he kills him intentionally, or accidentally and comes up with the cover story.

But no one wants to defend a child molestor. Even if he isn't one.
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Re: Defending one's Daughter... This is how it's done.
Posted by: $tevie
Date: June 13, 2012 07:35AM
Lux, that's an unsettling thought because it's entirely feasible - unsettling even if not true in this particular instance. It does seem an investigation would be in order.


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Re: Defending one's Daughter... This is how it's done.
Posted by: Pam
Date: June 13, 2012 07:48AM
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Lux Interior
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Black
the girl could have just been sitting in the guy's lap for all the detailed info available to any of you.

Having a young daughter, I can tell you that I could have done what this guy did. Practicing tameshiwari on his head in the heat of the moment would be justifiable.

But you bring up the point that no one wants to mention. Once the guy says that the victim was a child diddler, no one wants to try and defend him (the diddler, that is). Most people's immediate reaction is "He deserved it."

Maybe the alleged diddler was banging his wife and he found out about it and went and killed the guy, who happened to be with his daughter.

So he kills him intentionally, or accidentally and comes up with the cover story.

But no one wants to defend a child molestor. Even if he isn't one.

You are absolutely correct. I gave credence to Dad's story as the girl was taken to the hospital. Doubtful Dad would have done that otherwise.
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Re: Defending one's Daughter... This is how it's done.
Posted by: Black
Date: June 21, 2012 12:36AM
Follow-up/closure.
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