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Should electricity for cars get same tax as gas?
Posted by: samintx
Date: June 14, 2012 06:04AM
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Electricity road tax
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13 votes were received.
YES8
 
62%
NO5
 
38%



We pay a gas tax that supposedly goes for road improvements. Electric cars are getting a free ride since they use electricity to "fuel" their autos that does not carry this road repair tax. Do you think people with electric cars should pay a tax on the electricity used to charge their cars?



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 06/14/2012 06:08AM by samintx.
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Re: Should electricity for cars get same tax as gas?
Posted by: Spock
Date: June 14, 2012 06:11AM
Lets add the question "Should oil companies tax breaks be abolished" to level the playing field.






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Re: Should electricity for cars get same tax as gas?
Posted by: Bill in NC
Date: June 14, 2012 06:12AM
Not now.

There are currently very few pure electric vehicles.
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Re: Should electricity for cars get same tax as gas?
Posted by: Acer
Date: June 14, 2012 06:25AM
Electricity is already taxed where I live whether I drive a car with it or not.
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Re: Should electricity for cars get same tax as gas?
Posted by: Pam
Date: June 14, 2012 07:28AM
Not at this point. There are few of them out there and it's part of the incentive to stop using gas.
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Re: Should electricity for cars get same tax as gas?
Posted by: billb
Date: June 14, 2012 07:40AM
Wait until the middle class and the poor can afford them.

Rich men's toys should continue to benefit from their free rides.
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Re: Should electricity for cars get same tax as gas?
Posted by: mattkime
Date: June 14, 2012 07:55AM
what percentage of road repair is funded by the gas tax?



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Re: Should electricity for cars get same tax as gas?
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: June 14, 2012 08:01AM
Then why do boats have to pay the tax? They don't use the roads. Sure I've seen waterways get paved over, but then the boats stop using them.



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Re: Should electricity for cars get same tax as gas?
Posted by: billb
Date: June 14, 2012 08:03AM
less and less as CAFE ratings rise
we'll ned a new system or higher rates soon enough anyway





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Re: Should electricity for cars get same tax as gas?
Posted by: billb
Date: June 14, 2012 08:08AM
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Ombligo
Then why do boats have to pay the tax? They don't use the roads. Sure I've seen waterways get paved over, but then the boats stop using them.

many states have a tax refund form to fill out to get the road tax portion of money back if it was collected with/ in lieu of any recreational water resources taxes.





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Re: Should electricity for cars get same tax as gas?
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: June 14, 2012 08:13AM
An excellent question, and as the discussion flow shows, the fuel tax model isn't working for America's aging infrastructure. Mostly because it was not envisioned to include a capital investment component.

FWIW... the tax on boat fuel supposedly goes towards maintaining waterways. And there's a LOT of expense there... you've never heard of locks and dams, dredging, flood control, Coast Guard, yadda yadda ? Live in a river town or a port town and you know all about it.

Finally... ask yourself this:
If it takes tax money to support roads and waterways, why don't we support the railroads the same way ?
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Re: Should electricity for cars get same tax as gas?
Posted by: the_poochies
Date: June 14, 2012 08:29AM
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billb
Wait until the middle class and the poor can afford them.

Rich men's toys should continue to benefit from their free rides.

Are you talking about Land Rovers, Infinities and Escalades? winking smiley

Seriously, this issue has come up in public policy circles and a solution has been to tax drivers for the number of miles they drive annually. Of course, this would probably result in another line added to an already confusing income tax form and some folks have complained that they don't want Big GovernmentTM knowing how many miles they put on every year.
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Re: Should electricity for cars get same tax as gas?
Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: June 14, 2012 08:33AM
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billb
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Ombligo
Then why do boats have to pay the tax? They don't use the roads. Sure I've seen waterways get paved over, but then the boats stop using them.

many states have a tax refund form to fill out to get the road tax portion of money back if it was collected with/ in lieu of any recreational water resources taxes.

VA does and I have benefited from it.
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Re: Should electricity for cars get same tax as gas?
Posted by: samintx
Date: June 14, 2012 09:18AM
Aren't railroads subsidized now by the govt?



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cbelt3
An excellent question, and as the discussion flow shows, the fuel tax model isn't working for America's aging infrastructure. Mostly because it was not envisioned to include a capital investment component.

FWIW... the tax on boat fuel supposedly goes towards maintaining waterways. And there's a LOT of expense there... you've never heard of locks and dams, dredging, flood control, Coast Guard, yadda yadda ? Live in a river town or a port town and you know all about it.

Finally... ask yourself this:
If it takes tax money to support roads and waterways, why don't we support the railroads the same way ?
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Re: Should electricity for cars get same tax as gas?
Posted by: Acer
Date: June 14, 2012 09:19AM
If revenues fall short, we could, you know, raise the gasoline tax that has been the same flat amount for decades. Amazing how our foresighted lawmakers forget so easily that inflation exists when it's politically expedient to do so. Make it a percentage, like a sales tax.

A per-mile tax really is not that bad an idea. Not perfect, but I can see the merits in a mixed-fuel fleet. What IS bad is the ridiculous solution of putting a GPS in every car. What a waste of time and money. Just report the odometer reading with your income taxes. Catch the scofflaws when the car is sold and the title is transferred.
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Re: Should electricity for cars get same tax as gas?
Posted by: freeradical
Date: June 14, 2012 10:14AM
This is the actual electric car charger at my local library. It's FREE to use. I have NEVER seen it being used.



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Re: Should electricity for cars get same tax as gas?
Posted by: RgrF
Date: June 14, 2012 10:18AM
We're paying the same per gallon tax today we paid when gasoline sold for $1.29/gal. If Congress in their wisdom had made gasoline taxes a % of the sale price rather than a flat tax, we might not be fretting about our failing infrastructure.
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Re: Should electricity for cars get same tax as gas?
Posted by: Avenger
Date: June 14, 2012 10:29AM
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Bill in NC
Not now.

There are currently very few pure electric vehicles.

Reminds of affirmative action. 40 years later, the answer to whether to end it is still "not now". Big government programs never goes away.
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Re: Should electricity for cars get same tax as gas?
Posted by: Avenger
Date: June 14, 2012 11:08AM
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RgrF
We're paying the same per gallon tax today we paid when gasoline sold for $1.29/gal. If Congress in their wisdom had made gasoline taxes a % of the sale price rather than a flat tax, we might not be fretting about our failing infrastructure.

Oil has to be found, drilled for, transported, refined, transported once again, gas stations built and finally sold. Who makes the most profit out of this enterprise with ZERO risk? Uncle Sam of course. Is there a similar investment I can put my money in?
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Re: Should electricity for cars get same tax as gas?
Posted by: Acer
Date: June 14, 2012 11:17AM
Zero risk? Dude, we invaded an entire country to make sure the oil supply stayed stable. But I guess since your man kept the cost off the books, it doesn't count.
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Re: Should electricity for cars get same tax as gas?
Posted by: Avenger
Date: June 14, 2012 11:50AM
Exxon dosen't have to invade any country to stay in business.
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Re: Should electricity for cars get same tax as gas?
Posted by: the_poochies
Date: June 14, 2012 12:23PM
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Avenger
Exxon dosen't have to invade any country to stay in business.

No, it just gets the US military to do it for them. winking smiley
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Re: Should electricity for cars get same tax as gas?
Posted by: $tevie
Date: June 14, 2012 12:50PM
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the_poochies
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Avenger
Exxon dosen't have to invade any country to stay in business.

No, it just gets the US military to do it for them. winking smiley

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Re: Should electricity for cars get same tax as gas?
Posted by: Avenger
Date: June 14, 2012 12:54PM
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the_poochies
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Avenger
Exxon dosen't have to invade any country to stay in business.

No, it just gets the US military to do it for them. winking smiley

It would be nice if it were true. What usually happens is that we spend blood and treasure and then turn it over to the locals or other countries. What is Exxon getting out of Iraq or Libya?
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Re: Should electricity for cars get same tax as gas?
Posted by: john dough
Date: June 14, 2012 05:55PM
If you think that there is no connection between multinational oil companies and militaries doing their bidding, you are a LOT less knowledgable than I thought (which was not much to begin with).



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Re: Should electricity for cars get same tax as gas?
Posted by: Avenger
Date: June 14, 2012 08:59PM
So which oil company is Obama doing its bidding?
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Re: Should electricity for cars get same tax as gas?
Posted by: the_poochies
Date: June 15, 2012 08:01AM
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Avenger
So which oil company is Obama doing its bidding?

Probably all of them.
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