No, not Volts.

NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- General Motors announced plans Friday to add a third shift at its SUV plant in Arlington, Texas, as the company continues to ramp up production after deep cuts during the financial crisis. The additional shift will keep the facility running around the clock, and will generate roughly 800 additional jobs, GM (GM, Fortune 500) said.

The Arlington plant produces Chevrolet Tahoes and Suburbans, GMC Yukons and Cadillac Escalades.


These names are like showing a cross to the base but you won't hear a peep. Hummer would have been alive and kicking if GM was bought by government first.

Thanks for the heads-up, good to hear the economic recovery is on track.

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It might be on "on track" but this is not the track Obama and his base had in mind. In their fantasy world all those nameplates were to have gone the way of the Hummer and we'd be driving Volts feeding on swtichgrass. The only credit I give to Obama is that he doesn't get embarrassed too easily.

GM bailout is looking pretty good now - eh? But it seems that Dak hates america and is wishing for the industry to fail so he can be proven right... hahahahahaha

From the art that Dak read:[money.cnn.com]

Now, with auto demand coming back, "lots of companies across the board are adding shifts and adding third shifts," Dziczek said.

An advantage of third shifts is that they allow companies to ramp up production without constructing new facilities; if automakers need to scale back production, they can simply eliminate shifts.

GM's other three North American truck plants are already operating with three shifts, said Donna McLallen, communications manager at the Arlington plant. Overall, the company's North American operations are working at more than 100% of capacity, making heavy use of overtime and third shifts, GM spokesman James Cain said.

third shift added to Flint truck assembly February 16, 2012 [video.msnbc.msn.com]



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In their fantasy world all those nameplates were to have gone the way of the Hummer and we'd be driving Volts feeding on swtichgrass.

Talk about living in a fantasy world. Making up a false reality must be the only way you can live an existence.

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In their fantasy world all those nameplates were to have gone the way of the Hummer and we'd be driving Volts feeding on swtichgrass.

Talk about living in a fantasy world. Making up a false reality must be the only way you can live an existence.

Some people do not recognize the diversity of the Democratic Party. They want to lump everyone into a convenient soundbite.

This can't be the same GM that Mittens wanted to let go bankrupt and be thrown on the scrap heap of history, can it?

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Gas is going down. Obama to blame?

On the one hand the government is shoving tax payer dollars into hybrids and try to drag peopl out of their Suburbans and shove them into Fiat 500s(the WORST small car ever ) and on the other hand their surrogates here celebrate building ever more gas guzzlers. Can you say Obamatons?

>>This can't be the same GM that Mittens wanted to let go bankrupt <<

GMs product line up is basically the same as 2008. In fact, it is the gas guzzlers that are saving GM and Chrysler. If GM is still standing is because somebody canceled their debt and screwed the investors. How could you lose?

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On the one hand the government is shoving tax payer dollars into hybrids and try to drag peopl out of their Suburbans and shove them into Fiat 500s(the WORST small car ever ) and on the other hand their surrogates here celebrate building ever more gas guzzlers. Can you say Obamatons?

What demographic is it that you identify with $85,000 SUVs? Are you saying that people who can't afford to blow that kind of cash are universally going to vote for Obama? (That'd be pretty sweet for him if it was true.)

I think it's nice that the one-percenters are finally putting some cash into the economy instead of hoarding it.



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Here is another tidbit for those who say the the GM experiment was a success. Government invested about $50B in GM. To break even, the U.S. Treasury would need to sell its remaining stake—about 500 million shares—at $53 apiece. GM closed at $20.60 on Friday.

>>What demographic is it that you identify with $85,000 SUVs? Are you saying that people who can't afford to blow that kind of cash are universally going to vote for Obama? <<

No, I am pointing out the hypocrisy of those who themselves drive Hemis but at the same time support spending $10K tax dollars per car subsidy for Volts. If they are that good why don't you drive them? I have no such moral conflicts. I drive a 4wd Dodge truck with a V8 that gets 14 mpg in town on a good day. I am sure I will not be scorned, in this thread at least, about wasting gas.

And with logic like that (in other words you take your talking points straight from some right wing script) it's the utmost of hypocrisy to call others 'automatons'. Of course, making things up to fit whatever argument you feel like today is par for the course in your case.

You have a lot of bad qualities, Dakota, but I believe immaturity is the worst one.

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This can't be the same GM that Mittens wanted to let go bankrupt and be thrown on the scrap heap of history, can it?

His revisionist version NOW says he would have saved the auto industry... "by a managed bankruptcy much like what President Obama finally..." [paraphrasing now] decided/relented/acquiesced to late in the process.

I heard it with my own ears in person last week.

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>>His revisionist version NOW says he would have saved the auto industry... <<

What do you call this?

"On June 8, 2009, General Motors filed for reorganization under the provisions of Chapter 11, Title 11, United States Code, and as a direct result investments of all former common stockholders were lost completely,"

[en.wikipedia.org]

You did hear it alright after all.

EDIT: Another revisionism is to call bankruptcy as the end of a company. Airlines have been in perpetual bankruptcy and nobody notices. Planes fly and pilots get paid. This is what the libs do all the time. They jumps in, push everyone aside and do something then claim if it wasn't for them it would have never happened.



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The entire GM is worth less now than Apple's revenues in the last quarter.

Avenger/Dakota has had a bug up his arse about the Volt since he began posting here. It's some kind of obsession with him, and he will continue to post about it any time he finds an excuse to do so. I can't see any point in arguing with him about it since this is obviously an emotionally driven opinion for him.

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Romney would have done it without any bailout/investment in GM. The outcome might have been different.

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The volt is a joke. Given 30-40 miles on a charge, I can't even get to WalMart and back. I wouldnt even trust it get me to the movies and back (46 miles round trip). Last year I bought a Ford Fusion and am happy with it. I also sold what remained of my GM stock and bought Ford. I don't want anything to do with Government Moters.

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The volt is a joke. Given 30-40 miles on a charge, I can't even get to WalMart and back. I wouldnt even trust it get me to the movies and back (46 miles round trip). Last year I bought a Ford Fusion and am happy with it. I also sold what remained of my GM stock and bought Ford. I don't want anything to do with Government Moters.

Mostly the same arguments Dakota has against the Volt. To which I say two things:

1) If you don't like the Volt, don't buy one.

2) You obviously either don't know or refuse to acknowledge that the Volt also has a gas engine. So you can make 4,600 mile trips if you want, all you have to do is fill up at a gas station every few hundred miles. If you're only going 46 miles then you will probably only need to burn a few ounces of gasoline.

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My dad is very happy with his volt.

then again, he lives less than an hour and a half from the movies. (heck, he can get those in his LIVING ROOM!)

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I think that once the Volt has a couple of years on the market and gets a little cheaper it will sell as well as the hybrids. If I had a garage I would consider one.

>>If you don't like the Volt, don't buy one.<<

Did you say the same thing about the Hummer?

>> It's some kind of obsession with him<<

This is a much broader topic. I'd like to know how you can cheer production of the most gas guzzling vehicles in the US fleet and at the same time shove taxpayer dollars into Volt. They are building Suburbans at 3am yet Volt production gets shut down. Can you take a hint or do you still insist that YOU know what is good for the people? All is not lost in this thread though. I got an avid environmentalist to admit she drives two gas guzzlers. As if a V8 wasn't enough, she has to up it to a Hemi no less.

I'm a yellow-dog Democrat and I would rather have an SUV than a Volt. You are obsessed with your black-and-white cartoon juvenile view of things. But, as W. C. Fields said, "You can't smarten up a chump."

I like how this troll thinks he knows people here. He loves putting words in people's mouth's and pretend he knows how we think. Guess what Dakota, I'm not an avid environmentalist. Hell, I don't even recycle.

That means you are against the cornerstone of Obama's energy policy. There is another explanation. You are a hypocrite. Cheering policies to shove people into FIat 500s all the while driving an SUV. That makes two of you here.

I am beginning to like you, Pam.

That's rich, you calling anyone here a hypocrite. The only way that you can post around here is being a hypocrite 24/7. You obviously have no shame saying one thing one day, and another the next (or even same). You really don't care that people think you're an irrational individual, do you? It dilutes your arguments to the point they're non-existant. :-D

Dakota thinks all dems are exactly like Ed Begley Jr and Dak really hates Ed Begley Jr

Avenger loves his fantasy Democrat and will not be disillusioned about it.

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That means you are against the cornerstone of Obama's energy policy. There is another explanation. You are a hypocrite. Cheering policies to shove people into FIat 500s all the while driving an SUV. That makes two of you here.

Nope. I'm not against it. We need alternatives. Electric is viable but still expensive. I applaud those who go that route. I have an SUV for deep sand driving. When there's an alternative fuel 4x4 that has the needed oomph I'll be on it. It's called being practical.

Thinking that oil companies aren't driving policy and making huge dollars off our dependency is having your head in the sand. They need some serious competition. Oil won't last forever. Being dependent on OPEC and investors isn't good for the wallet. Competition, renewable energy, environmentally friendly... what's not to like? The problem is people in this country want everything but don't want to pay for it. Just look at roads. People don't want increases in taxes or tolls. I guess they think the magic road fairies will fix them.

Again, every new vehicle sold in the U.S. will be some form of hybrid, soon enough.

Whether it's a Focus or Escalade.

The next likely mandate will be start/stop, for both pollution control (notice all the new "no idle zone" signs?) and to meet the 35mpg CAFE target.

Which means your new vehicle will need an oversize (or separate) battery to run 'accessory' demands like the radio, and heater or A/C while stopped (engine off).



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>> They need some serious competition. Oil won't last forever. Being dependent on OPEC and investors isn't good for the wallet<<

Getting out of a Hemi should help.

Competition, renewable energy, environmentally friendly... what's not to like?

>> Buy a Volt then.

>>The problem is people in this country want everything but don't want to pay for it<<


Who would they be? Volt and hybrid buyers who need "eco" credits to make them buy them? Those credits are built into the cost of production and will keep the price artificially high for perpetuity.

It would be people like you, who demonstrate a fundamental lack (or fanciable notion) of economic understanding.

Dependence on oil is ruinously expensive, not because the price of oil is so high, but--if nothing else--because the U.S. has to spend so much on defense to "protect" the oil supply: oil-state defense is 25 - 33 % of all defense expenditure. Every president since Nixon has recognized this, and recognized that less dependence on oil is a high national security priority. So it makes sense to subsidize the Volt, even if it's not a cost effective vehicle: moving away from oil to something else can save many billions of dollars a year. Without oil, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and Libya would be about as much trouble to the U.S. as Paraguay.

Been thinking about this thread and realizing that the trend around me has been pretty dramatically toward smaller vehicles of late. This is a working class area and there was definitely a spike in SUV usage around '08/'09 when the folks who had the means to do so were dumping them, and people of limited means were taking advantage of the glut and resultant low prices.
I have to wonder to what extent government spending on vehicles for law enforcement may be driving the demand for these particular vehicles in terms of new vehicle purchases.

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The volt is a joke. Given 30-40 miles on a charge, I can't even get to WalMart and back. I wouldnt even trust it get me to the movies and back (46 miles round trip). Last year I bought a Ford Fusion and am happy with it. I also sold what remained of my GM stock and bought Ford. I don't want anything to do with Government Moters.

Sounds like what some fellows said a long time ago. Except they bought lots of buggy whip stock.

It also sounds like the chronic whining on the other side, "This product isn't made for ME therefore it sucks and will fail!"

And what's a "moter"?

Not being able to get to Wal-Mart sounds like a feature, not a bug.
I hope there are other stores within walking distance that can supply the basics.

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"This product isn't made for ME therefore it sucks and will fail!"

No, it is more like "This product has no buyers so don't waste public funds on it." They are building Suburbans at 3am but can't give Volts away. What is it gonna take to stop telling people what is good for them?

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March 2012 still stands as the high-water mark for Chevrolet Volt sales. That month, GM sold 2,289 Volts, a number that dropped to 1,462 in April. The news today is that sales climbed back up to 1,680 in May. GM's Twitter account says that demand for the 703 Volt in California is temporarily outstripping supply. We wonder if there are dealers in other states who would be more than willing to send their unsold units westward.

When it comes to the Nissan Leaf, the May number – 510 sold – is better than the 370 Nissan sold in April. Of course, it's fewer than the 579 units sold in March and is also less than half of what Nissan sold in May 2011: 1,142. For the record, there were 26 selling days in May 2012 and 24 in May 2011. For another record, while the vehicles aren't really comparable, the Smart Fortwo outsold the Leaf at 703 units in May. Just so you know.

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When it comes to the Nissan Leaf, the May number – 510 sold – is better than the 370 Nissan sold in April. Of course, it's fewer than the 579 units sold in March and is also less than half of what Nissan sold in May 2011: 1,142.

Perhaps this has something to do with the fact that the Leaf is the most hideous looking automobile to hit these shores in decades. It's as though they are deliberately trying to turn people off to these things.

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March 2012 still stands as the high-water mark for Chevrolet Volt sales. That month, GM sold 2,289 Volts, a number that dropped to 1,462 in April. The news today is that sales climbed back up to 1,680 in May. GM's Twitter account says that demand for the 703 Volt in California is temporarily outstripping supply. We wonder if there are dealers in other states who would be more than willing to send their unsold units westward.

When it comes to the Nissan Leaf, the May number – 510 sold – is better than the 370 Nissan sold in April. Of course, it's fewer than the 579 units sold in March and is also less than half of what Nissan sold in May 2011: 1,142. For the record, there were 26 selling days in May 2012 and 24 in May 2011. For another record, while the vehicles aren't really comparable, the Smart Fortwo outsold the Leaf at 703 units in May. Just so you know.

You do realize you are just proving my point with these numbers. 703 sales is now considered "record" sales? They sold more Yugos. If you can't sell the Volt in California, you can't sell the Volt.

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Perhaps this has something to do with the fact that the Leaf is the most hideous looking automobile to hit these shores in decades.

Decades? Have you never seen an Aztek???

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