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Oreo steps in to the fray.
Posted by: beagledave
Date: June 26, 2012 11:22AM



Good for them.

And expect "One Million Moms" to add them to the boycott list in 5-4-3-2.....
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Re: Oreo steps in to the fray.
Posted by: $tevie
Date: June 26, 2012 11:24AM
I saw that earlier. It's very cool. Thanks for posting it!!







Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/26/2012 11:24AM by $tevie.
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Re: Oreo steps in to the fray.
Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: June 26, 2012 11:41AM
'Shopped

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Re: Oreo steps in to the fray.
Posted by: freeradical
Date: June 26, 2012 12:16PM
I hate to break the news, but when a company "steps in to the fray", it's because they think it's good for business, not because they believe in some cause.
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Re: Oreo steps in to the fray.
Posted by: Grace62
Date: June 26, 2012 12:32PM
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freeradical
I hate to break the news, but when a company "steps in to the fray", it's because they think it's good for business, not because they believe in some cause.

That's not the case with Kraft. Personally I think it's a really good sign if Kraft thinks their public support for gay marriage is "good for business."
Kraft has actively supported gay rights for many years, going back at least a decade or so. Like a number of other large corporations they've been leading on this issue, and not just following popular opinion. Corporations have a direct interest in protecting their employees and in competing for the very best employees, so discrimination is something they generally want to avoid.
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Re: Oreo steps in to the fray.
Posted by: $tevie
Date: June 26, 2012 12:35PM
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freeradical
I hate to break the news, but when a company "steps in to the fray", it's because they think it's good for business, not because they believe in some cause.

And if they think it's good for business, that means that LGBT is now mainstream, which is something to celebrate in my book.



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Re: Oreo steps in to the fray.
Posted by: billb
Date: June 26, 2012 12:51PM
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freeradical
I hate to break the news, but when a company "steps in to the fray", it's because they think it's good for business, not because they believe in some cause.
Tend to jump "out" rather than "in" though.
"In" usually costs only a few bucks.
"out" is making a statement.



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Re: Oreo steps in to the fray.
Posted by: Uncle Wig
Date: June 26, 2012 01:13PM
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freeradical
I hate to break the news, but when a company "steps in to the fray", it's because they think it's good for business, not because they believe in some cause.

Maybe so, but if the CEO & board are opposed to some cause, the company will not support it.



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Re: Oreo steps in to the fray.
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: June 26, 2012 01:21PM
Sounds like Corporations having political opinions and being able to express them is a good thing ? devil smiley
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Re: Oreo steps in to the fray.
Posted by: SDGuy
Date: June 26, 2012 01:40PM
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Grace62
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freeradical
I hate to break the news, but when a company "steps in to the fray", it's because they think it's good for business, not because they believe in some cause.

That's not the case with Kraft. Personally I think it's a really good sign if Kraft thinks their public support for gay marriage is "good for business."
Kraft has actively supported gay rights for many years, going back at least a decade or so. Like a number of other large corporations they've been leading on this issue, and not just following popular opinion. Corporations have a direct interest in protecting their employees and in competing for the very best employees, so discrimination is something they generally want to avoid.

Welcome back Grace62 - been missing you around here...
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Re: Oreo steps in to the fray.
Posted by: $tevie
Date: June 26, 2012 01:57PM
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cbelt3
Sounds like Corporations having political opinions and being able to express them is a good thing ? devil smiley

Oreo doesn't give money to LGBT pacs. They just ran an ad, that's all.



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Re: Oreo steps in to the fray.
Posted by: Manlove
Date: June 26, 2012 02:33PM
Being homosexual is not political.
Showing support of homosexuals is political.
Is actively opposing someone because of their sexuality a political act?
Is it a political act to show support of someone because of their sexuality?

Or do they just want to make money?
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Re: Oreo steps in to the fray.
Posted by: August West
Date: June 26, 2012 02:40PM
Thomas Mann says hello.
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Re: Oreo steps in to the fray.
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: June 26, 2012 03:02PM
ml-
Damn near everything until November 6th is being taken as a political act. Or can be happily commented on as a political act. Hell... any public discussion of female anatomy has all of a sudden become a political act. Stupid is breaking out all over the place.
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Re: Oreo steps in to the fray.
Posted by: graylocks
Date: June 26, 2012 03:13PM
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SDGuy

Welcome back Grace62 - been missing you around here...

agree smiley



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Re: Oreo steps in to the fray.
Posted by: Black
Date: June 26, 2012 03:22PM
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freeradical
I hate to break the news, but when a company "steps in to the fray", it's because they think it's good for business, not because they believe in some cause.

Strange how the above statement was received as fact. There's just no way you can generalize like this with any accuracy.




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Re: Oreo steps in to the fray.
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: June 26, 2012 03:59PM
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$tevie
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cbelt3
Sounds like Corporations having political opinions and being able to express them is a good thing ? devil smiley

Oreo doesn't give money to LGBT pacs. They just ran an ad, that's all.

$tevie, oh true, true. But ads cost money.

And of course JC Penney's ads cost money. (I liked them.. they were cute and in excellent taste).
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Re: Oreo steps in to the fray.
Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: June 26, 2012 04:05PM
Although they often suck at it, businesses are supposed to look to the future.

It seems they feel the future is moving in a certain direction, and they want to be on the right side. Because that's good for business.
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Re: Oreo steps in to the fray.
Posted by: $tevie
Date: June 26, 2012 04:41PM
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cbelt3
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$tevie
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cbelt3
Sounds like Corporations having political opinions and being able to express them is a good thing ? devil smiley

Oreo doesn't give money to LGBT pacs. They just ran an ad, that's all.

$tevie, oh true, true. But ads cost money.

And of course JC Penney's ads cost money. (I liked them.. they were cute and in excellent taste).

But I disagree with you that it is "corporate political opinion". It's about companies going after a target demographic, one which as a group is considered by Madison Avenue to have a large amount of disposable income. And in the wake of that ship is the large amount of straight people who will respond positively also. I really cannot see how this is remotely similar to the Koch brothers giving money to Scott Walker, which is the kind of thing I think you were alluding to.

The threat of boycotts has begun. Let's hope this boycott enjoys all the success of the One Million Moms boycott against Penney's and the Southern Baptist Convention's boycott against Disney. smiling bouncing smiley



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Re: Oreo steps in to the fray.
Posted by: davester
Date: June 26, 2012 04:51PM
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freeradical
I hate to break the news, but when a company "steps in to the fray", it's because they think it's good for business, not because they believe in some cause.

This is an opinion, not a fact. I think this opinion is in many cases wrong and I believe there are many examples of it being wrong.



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Re: Oreo steps in to the fray.
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: June 26, 2012 05:17PM
Of companies and closets

Good article from the Economist.

"What caused this corporate revolution? Pressure groups such as HRC (Human Rights Campaign) and Britain’s Stonewall can take some of the credit. But mostly it happened because changing attitudes in society at large have reduced the cost of being gay-friendly, and raised the rewards. A generation ago in the West, creating a gay-friendly workplace might have upset heterosexual staff. Now it probably won’t. But failing to treat gays equally is very likely to drive them to seek employment elsewhere. Since they are perhaps 5-10% of the global talent pool, bigotry makes a firm less competitive."
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Re: Oreo steps in to the fray.
Posted by: hal
Date: June 26, 2012 05:23PM
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davester
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freeradical
I hate to break the news, but when a company "steps in to the fray", it's because they think it's good for business, not because they believe in some cause.

This is an opinion, not a fact. I think this opinion is in many cases wrong and I believe there are many examples of it being wrong.

I think that one thing that IS fact is that public companies have to answer to shareholders and if a move such as this can be proven to have had a negative effect on the bottom line, those responsible for the decision will take heat - ESPECIALLY if right wing nuts are shareholders.

So I will enter a supposition that any higher up in any public company MUST consider the bottom line before proceeding with the plan...
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Re: Oreo steps in to the fray.
Posted by: $tevie
Date: June 26, 2012 06:44PM
This could never have happened even ten years ago. Maybe five years ago. It's a GOOD thing.



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Re: Oreo steps in to the fray.
Posted by: Spock
Date: June 26, 2012 06:56PM
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Re: Oreo steps in to the fray.
Posted by: billb
Date: June 26, 2012 08:02PM
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Re: Oreo steps in to the fray.
Posted by: decay
Date: June 26, 2012 08:21PM
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Re: Oreo steps in to the fray.
Posted by: A-Polly
Date: June 26, 2012 10:46PM
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SDGuy wrote:
Welcome back Grace62 - been missing you around here...

graylocks wrote:
agree smiley

Same here! Glad to see you back.
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Re: Oreo steps in to the fray.
Posted by: RgrF
Date: June 27, 2012 12:15AM
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Grace62
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freeradical
I hate to break the news, but when a company "steps in to the fray", it's because they think it's good for business, not because they believe in some cause.

That's not the case with Kraft. Personally I think it's a really good sign if Kraft thinks their public support for gay marriage is "good for business."
Kraft has actively supported gay rights for many years, going back at least a decade or so. Like a number of other large corporations they've been leading on this issue, and not just following popular opinion. Corporations have a direct interest in protecting their employees and in competing for the very best employees, so discrimination is something they generally want to avoid.

Hey! The all-knowing schoolmarm is back. Hi Grace - missed you.
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Re: Oreo steps in to the fray.
Posted by: Avenger
Date: June 27, 2012 08:38PM
If you have to hold a "pride" parade at every turn then you probably aren't thay proud. Same goes when you have to say I am not a crook.
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Re: Oreo steps in to the fray.
Posted by: Manlove
Date: June 27, 2012 09:01PM
"The lady doth protest too much, methinks."
Avenger, so you aren't proud to be an American?
Got any flags knocking around your gaff?
Well, do ya?
Do I remember a tagline of yours with a Harley and flags? Might be wrong, but something like that.
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Re: Oreo steps in to the fray.
Posted by: beagledave
Date: June 27, 2012 09:37PM
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Avenger
If you have to hold a "pride" parade at every turn then you probably aren't thay proud. Same goes when you have to say I am not a crook.

You're a flippin' genius, you are.
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Re: Oreo steps in to the fray.
Posted by: Avenger
Date: June 28, 2012 08:14AM
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Manlove
"The lady doth protest too much, methinks."
Avenger, so you aren't proud to be an American?
Got any flags knocking around your gaff?
Well, do ya?
Do I remember a tagline of yours with a Harley and flags? Might be wrong, but something like that.

It was not a Harley and I have no flag on it.
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Re: Oreo steps in to the fray.
Posted by: decay
Date: June 28, 2012 08:28AM
this always cracks me up!

[www.theonion.com]

"Gay-Pride Parade Sets Mainstream Acceptance Of Gays Back 50 Years"

"I'd always thought gays were regular people, just like you and me, and that the stereotype of homosexuals as hedonistic, sex-crazed deviants was just a destructive myth," said mother of four Hannah Jarrett, 41, mortified at the sight of 17 tanned and oiled boys cavorting in jock straps to a throbbing techno beat on a float shaped like an enormous phallus. "Boy, oh, boy, was I wrong."
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