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Do you think the unemployment numbers will doom Obama to one term?
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: July 06, 2012 03:14PM
Poll
Not asking how YOU will vote, but do you think the stagnant unemployment numbers will doom Obama to one term?
Only registered users are allowed to vote for this poll.
32 votes were received.
Yes, he's one and done 8
 
25%
No, It will be a historic re-election in historically bad economic times 17
 
53%
Neither. I think the numbers will improve enough before November to help Obama 7
 
22%



Just curious. I don't think the numbers will change much between now and November. If Obama wins with numbers this bad, it'll be the first such case since FDR.
As the chart shows, Reagan pulled off re-election with high unemployment for most of his first term, but with a trend in the right direction. Obama was on the same course until the past 3 months.




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Re: Do you think the unemployment numbers will doom Obama to one term?
Posted by: hal
Date: July 06, 2012 03:17PM
you left out the 'dunno' option

that's what I would have chosen. I have not idea who will win or the main reasons for whatever happens.
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Re: Do you think the unemployment numbers will doom Obama to one term?
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: July 06, 2012 03:20PM
No. Those who are unemployed have been told repeatedly the following, and are buying it:

The rich people are to blame for your job woes.
Romney especially.
He may have personally been responsible for you losing your job.
He might have even beaten you up in high school, and probably kicked your dog at some point.
Obama wants you to move Forward.
We're not sure what Forward is, but it's better than here.
It is still Bush's fault.
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Re: Do you think the unemployment numbers will doom Obama to one term?
Posted by: davester
Date: July 06, 2012 03:26PM
I think that as per usual, the next president will be elected based on factors that are irrelevant to his fitness to serve as president. One of the primary factors will be how much money is spent on propaganda aimed at misleading the populace into voting against what they think they're voting for.



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Re: Do you think the unemployment numbers will doom Obama to one term?
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: July 06, 2012 03:29PM
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hal
you left out the 'dunno' option

that's what I would have chosen. I have not idea who will win or the main reasons for whatever happens.

Fair enough Hal! I can only guess too, but I think guesses and opinions are interesting.
I think Obama is going to pull it off, partly because Romney is simply attacking Obama and not offering a clearly articulated alternative solution, and voters realize that as bad as things are, they could actually get worse.
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Re: Do you think the unemployment numbers will doom Obama to one term?
Posted by: mattkime
Date: July 06, 2012 03:40PM
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cbelt3
No. Those who are unemployed have been told repeatedly the following, and are buying it:

they're sooo gullible!



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Re: Do you think the unemployment numbers will doom Obama to one term?
Posted by: billb
Date: July 06, 2012 03:42PM
they're hungry and suffering



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Re: Do you think the unemployment numbers will doom Obama to one term?
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: July 06, 2012 03:43PM
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cbelt3
No. Those who are unemployed have been told repeatedly the following, and are buying it:

The rich people are to blame for your job woes.
Romney especially.
He may have personally been responsible for you losing your job.
He might have even beaten you up in high school, and probably kicked your dog at some point.
Obama wants you to move Forward.
We're not sure what Forward is, but it's better than here.
It is still Bush's fault.

My question would be then, what is the Romney campaign doing to counter those messages? What is their better vision?

Honestly I've never seen a campaign with so much money and so little political smarts as the one currently surrounding Mitt Romney. Maybe they're saving the good stuff for late in the game. We'll see.
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Re: Do you think the unemployment numbers will doom Obama to one term?
Posted by: hal
Date: July 06, 2012 03:55PM
The message that Romney must get out is that things aren't improving - easy to do - just mess with some statistics for a bit. Ask the voter what improvements they see - not much/none? Well, I'm here to change THAT!

People are still unemployed... homes are still underwater...

There are plenty of problems in the economy.

We gave him four years... what do we have to show for it?

This game is easier for Romney than it is for Obama. Calling for chance only works once...

I just thank (pick a deity) that the repubs came to this battle with one hand tied behind their back else Obama would surely be a one-termer.
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Re: Do you think the unemployment numbers will doom Obama to one term?
Posted by: decay
Date: July 06, 2012 04:01PM
don't forget the religion/color wild cards...



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Re: Do you think the unemployment numbers will doom Obama to one term?
Posted by: Avenger
Date: July 06, 2012 04:17PM
All Romney has to ask is this:

What has Obama done that you want more of it?

O'Faithfull, can you answer that question?
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Re: Do you think the unemployment numbers will doom Obama to one term?
Posted by: mattkime
Date: July 06, 2012 04:41PM
>>O'Faithfull, can you answer that question?

killing america's enemies



bitch slapping the donald





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Re: Do you think the unemployment numbers will doom Obama to one term?
Posted by: Avenger
Date: July 06, 2012 04:43PM
When a Democrat has to boast about his killing prowess you know he is pretty bankrupt.
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Re: Do you think the unemployment numbers will doom Obama to one term?
Posted by: john dough
Date: July 06, 2012 04:45PM
Name one (or more if you can) thing that Romney as president will do to help the middle class.

Just one.
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Re: Do you think the unemployment numbers will doom Obama to one term?
Posted by: mattkime
Date: July 06, 2012 04:47PM
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Avenger
When a Democrat has to boast about his killing prowess you know he is pretty bankrupt.

It really bothers you that he got him, doesn't it?



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Re: Do you think the unemployment numbers will doom Obama to one term?
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: July 06, 2012 04:54PM
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Avenger
All Romney has to ask is this:

What has Obama done that you want more of it?

O'Faithfull, can you answer that question?

Yes.
Health insurance reform
Auto industry bailout (hopefully not necessary again but I want someone with the courage to do it) You're welcome Ohio.
Lily Ledbetter act - equal pay for women
Middle class and small business tax breaks (couple dozen of them)
environment - fuel standards for heavy trucks, continuing the move away from coal, other clean air and water iniatives, alternative energy investments
Recovery Act of '09 - we needed more but this act, most of which was a middle class tax cut, did a lot to reduce the impact of the worst recession since the Great Depression
Standing in the way of budget-gutting by Republicans, along with Senate leadership
We are out of Iraq.
EXPORTS - this is a big one, exports are increasing at around 16% a year, thanks in part to concessions Obama got from China. We need this to get to recovery.
Foreign policy - none of the dire predictions of Republicans have come to pass, particularly where the Middle East is concerned. I would like to see the Afghanistan withdrawal timetable accelerated. Very little daylight between Romney and Obama on these policy issues, except that Romney has no experience in foreign affairs.
There are lots more but I'll stop there.
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Re: Do you think the unemployment numbers will doom Obama to one term?
Posted by: Avenger
Date: July 06, 2012 04:58PM
None of these will create more jobs. If they could, they would have by now. They are all ideological. At the end of the day, it expands the reach of the government into every corner of people's lives.
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Re: Do you think the unemployment numbers will doom Obama to one term?
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: July 06, 2012 05:09PM
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Avenger
None of these will create more jobs. If they could, they would have by now. They are all ideological. At the end of the day, it expands the reach of the government into every corner of people's lives.

Sorry, I disagree and the numbers don't lie.
Government into every corner of people's lives? Tell it to your social conservative friends who can't get their noses out of our bedrooms.

As for private sector job growth, the numbers tell the story. The President doesn't get full credit for employment growth, but he also doesn't get full blame for unemployment either.
3 million private sector jobs were added in 2009-2011, more than any time since 2005. That's a fact.



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Re: Do you think the unemployment numbers will doom Obama to one term?
Posted by: john dough
Date: July 06, 2012 05:18PM
Dakota/Avenger does not live in a world where facts matter. proving him wrong is not too tough but what does it matter? He does not understand/accept that he is on the losing end of every thread here.
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Re: Do you think the unemployment numbers will doom Obama to one term?
Posted by: graylocks
Date: July 06, 2012 05:24PM
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Avenger
All Romney has to ask is this:

What has Obama done that you want more of it?

O'Faithfull, can you answer that question?

even more affordable healthcare.

and just about everything listed on this website but you're going to have to insert the missing letters because i don't think the forum will let me post the url:

whatthef**khasobamadonesofardotcom



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Re: Do you think the unemployment numbers will doom Obama to one term?
Posted by: p8712
Date: July 06, 2012 05:37PM
O'Faithfull, can you answer that question?

He's done things you couldn't even imagine.

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Re: Do you think the unemployment numbers will doom Obama to one term?
Posted by: SDGuy
Date: July 06, 2012 05:40PM
Speaking as a moderate Republican...I think this election is Obama's to lose, not Romney's to win.

I just don't feel much excitement or reason to vote for Romney...
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Re: Do you think the unemployment numbers will doom Obama to one term?
Posted by: (vikm)
Date: July 06, 2012 06:20PM
Things aren't improving as quickly as anyone would like. That's pretty clear.

For anyone to blame Obama when he's clearly swimming upstream against the Republican led House, well, they're either ignorant or lying. They are and have been playing politics with the well being of the people they were elected to serve and it's disgusting. Borders on treason as far as I'm concerned. A more spiteful bunch of folks you will not find. Until that is remedied and the policies Obama would like to put in place are instituted, Obama gets a free pass on the economy. Romney is incompetent and the House is just evil. Shame Obama has to compete against both.
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Re: Do you think the unemployment numbers will doom Obama to one term?
Posted by: Bill in NC
Date: July 06, 2012 06:46PM
No, O's campaign has successfully moved Romney off-track via immigration/healthcare distractions.
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Re: Do you think the unemployment numbers will doom Obama to one term?
Posted by: mattkime
Date: July 06, 2012 07:03PM
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Bill in NC
No, O's campaign has successfully moved Romney off-track via immigration/healthcare distractions.

distraction from what?



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Re: Do you think the unemployment numbers will doom Obama to one term?
Posted by: Avenger
Date: July 06, 2012 09:03PM
>>For anyone to blame Obama when he's clearly swimming upstream against the Republican led House<<

I am sorry, the time is up for blaming the previous administration. In our system you have 4 years, not 8, to fix things. If you can't, for whatever reason, you go. Every reason he gives for not being able to create jobs will still be in place in his second term. You can say headwinds only so many times.
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Re: Do you think the unemployment numbers will doom Obama to one term?
Posted by: mattkime
Date: July 06, 2012 09:13PM
>>I am sorry, the time is up for blaming the previous administration.

nothing was said about Bush. you've posted a repeated response to something that wasn't said.



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Re: Do you think the unemployment numbers will doom Obama to one term?
Posted by: Avenger
Date: July 06, 2012 09:16PM
"Republican" means every Republican that ever lived. Don't play dumb.
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Re: Do you think the unemployment numbers will doom Obama to one term?
Posted by: rjmacs
Date: July 06, 2012 10:43PM
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Avenger
>>For anyone to blame Obama when he's clearly swimming upstream against the Republican led House<<

I am sorry, the time is up for blaming the previous administration. In our system you have 4 years, not 8, to fix things. If you can't, for whatever reason, you go. Every reason he gives for not being able to create jobs will still be in place in his second term. You can say headwinds only so many times.

Reagan hardly fixed things in one term. He got shot, though, which helped quite a bit.



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Re: Do you think the unemployment numbers will doom Obama to one term?
Posted by: Avenger
Date: July 06, 2012 10:57PM
He did a lot in his first term. That is why he got re elected.

ps

You did not have to join the death-wishing camp of Democrats. I recall your early days; so fair and adult-like. Now you are like the rest of us.
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Re: Do you think the unemployment numbers will doom Obama to one term?
Posted by: john dough
Date: July 06, 2012 11:41PM
Agreed, he did a lot in his first term...for the wealthy, and NOT the economic class that you belong (still you look fondly toward him).

Since you were (probably) not living here, you probaby did not see the damage, first hand, he did to this country.

You keep talking about things you do not understand. Read this and get back to us (actually don't).
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Re: Do you think the unemployment numbers will doom Obama to one term?
Posted by: RgrF
Date: July 07, 2012 01:24AM
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SDGuy
Speaking as a moderate Republican...I think this election is Obama's to lose, not Romney's to win.

I just don't feel much excitement or reason to vote for Romney...

Just wait until they start dumping that money out there; they'll provide you a list no Republican and many Independents' will be unable to withstand.
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Re: Do you think the unemployment numbers will doom Obama to one term?
Posted by: Bill in NC
Date: July 07, 2012 11:19AM
A domestic economy in far worse condition than that under Jimmy Carter.

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mattkime
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Bill in NC
No, O's campaign has successfully moved Romney off-track via immigration/healthcare distractions.

distraction from what?
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Re: Do you think the unemployment numbers will doom Obama to one term?
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: July 07, 2012 11:33AM
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Bill in NC
A domestic economy in far worse condition than that under Jimmy Carter.

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Why is Mitt Romney so far unable to parlay that situation into a lead?
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Re: Do you think the unemployment numbers will doom Obama to one term?
Posted by: $tevie
Date: July 07, 2012 11:39AM
Because he offers no appearance of having a vision of how to correct it, just some talking points cobbled together from other candidates and from his poor advisors. And yes, he has been distracted by healthcare and iimmigration, for which he also offers nothing new or intriguing. He is "the devil you don't know", and we know it's better to go with the devil you know.



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Re: Do you think the unemployment numbers will doom Obama to one term?
Posted by: SDGuy
Date: July 07, 2012 11:49AM
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Lemon Drop
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Bill in NC
A domestic economy in far worse condition than that under Jimmy Carter.

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Why is Mitt Romney so far unable to parlay that situation into a lead?

Methinks he has the albatross of the current "Republican" Congress about his neck...and some lingering memories of GW as well - the Republican Brand isn't what it used to be...
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Re: Do you think the unemployment numbers will doom Obama to one term?
Posted by: swampy
Date: July 07, 2012 12:28PM
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$tevie
. He is "the devil you don't know", and we know it's better to go with the devil you know.

If that be true why in the world would anyone have voted to Obama in 2008?



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Re: Do you think the unemployment numbers will doom Obama to one term?
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: July 07, 2012 12:29PM
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swampy
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$tevie
. He is "the devil you don't know", and we know it's better to go with the devil you know.

If that be true why in the world would anyone have voted to Obama in 2008?

Why would anyone have voted for McCain/Palin?

There was no incumbent running in '08, so no "devil we know."
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Re: Do you think the unemployment numbers will doom Obama to one term?
Posted by: $tevie
Date: July 07, 2012 12:37PM
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Lemon Drop
There was no incumbent running in '08, so no "devil we know."

Thank you, yes.



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Re: Do you think the unemployment numbers will doom Obama to one term?
Posted by: Black
Date: July 07, 2012 01:12PM
Oy weh . . .
I think it's time to start pooling our resources and putting together a stipend to attract at least one 'competent' conservative to this forum.
I'm in for $10/month. Who's with me?




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Re: Do you think the unemployment numbers will doom Obama to one term?
Posted by: mattkime
Date: July 07, 2012 01:21PM
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Black
Oy weh . . .
I think it's time to start pooling our resources and putting together a stipend to attract at least one 'competent' conservative to this forum.
I'm in for $10/month. Who's with me?

they only accept gold doubloons!



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Re: Do you think the unemployment numbers will doom Obama to one term?
Posted by: billb
Date: July 07, 2012 01:28PM
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Black
Oy weh . . .
I think it's time to start pooling our resources and putting together a stipend to attract at least one 'competent' conservative to this forum.
I'm in for $10/month. Who's with me?
what an attractive proposition




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Re: Do you think the unemployment numbers will doom Obama to one term?
Posted by: swampy
Date: July 07, 2012 03:06PM
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Lemon Drop
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swampy
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$tevie
. He is "the devil you don't know", and we know it's better to go with the devil you know.

If that be true why in the world would anyone have voted to Obama in 2008?

Why would anyone have voted for McCain/Palin?

There was no incumbent running in '08, so no "devil we know."

Are you trying to tell me you knew Obama or you didn't know McCain? If you knew Obama so well, where did he get his Harvard scholarship? What were his grades? Or what passport was he traveling on when he went to Pakistan? When did he renounce his Indonesian citizenship?



If you don't stand for something, you'll probably fall for anything.t
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Re: Do you think the unemployment numbers will doom Obama to one term?
Posted by: $tevie
Date: July 07, 2012 04:06PM
That wasn't my true point at all. It was merely my use of an old expression. Don't turn it into a major talking point because it was not. The point is, Mitt Romney does not have the ability to express "the vision thing". He is as inspiring as an old bathrobe. Just look at Reagan or Clinton if you want to see a candidate who clearly articulated what they believed the country could/should be, whether or not you agreed with their vision at least they articulated it. Crap, even W had some lovely things to say when he was a candidate.



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Re: Do you think the unemployment numbers will doom Obama to one term?
Posted by: $tevie
Date: July 07, 2012 04:08PM
OH and please don't answer my posts with a series of right wing nut talking points, because I laughed so hard I almost peed myself.



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Re: Do you think the unemployment numbers will doom Obama to one term?
Posted by: hal
Date: July 07, 2012 04:15PM
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swampy
Are you trying to tell me you knew Obama or you didn't know McCain? If you knew Obama so well, where did he get his Harvard scholarship? What were his grades? Or what passport was he traveling on when he went to Pakistan? When did he renounce his Indonesian citizenship?

My god swamp, you've really raised the level of batshitcrazy talk with that post...

I had to do some research just to see what you're babbling about...

He was never an Indonesian citizen. You've taken an article like this one, Was Obama an Indonesian citizen? from WorldNewsDaily - a well known non news site and just removed the question mark...

Elsewhere - nutcases claimed that Obama traveled to Pakistan in 1981 on his Indonesian passport. Disproved by Snopes (that is operated by professed republicans) [www.snopes.com]

Nutcases are questioning just how this kid paid for his very expensive schooling - must be something underhanded there. Snopes says no - [www.snopes.com]

And they are still questioning his grades that apparently are not public knowledge, but there has never been, nor will there ever be a president of the Harvard Law Review that was a struggling student.

It seems that most of Swampy's wisdom comes from forwarded emails from those crazier that she is...



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Re: Do you think the unemployment numbers will doom Obama to one term?
Posted by: Kiva
Date: July 07, 2012 04:33PM
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swampy
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$tevie
. He is "the devil you don't know", and we know it's better to go with the devil you know.

If that be true why in the world would anyone have voted to Obama in 2008?

psssst....Bush was the incumbent. He didn't run...

that sad thing is that there is always a chance, in these threads, to have a reasonable discussion, but we all let Avenger/Dak & Swamp Thing drag us down.....



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Re: Do you think the unemployment numbers will doom Obama to one term?
Posted by: Dennis S
Date: July 07, 2012 05:53PM
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swampy
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Lemon Drop
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swampy
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$tevie
. He is "the devil you don't know", and we know it's better to go with the devil you know.

If that be true why in the world would anyone have voted to Obama in 2008?

Why would anyone have voted for McCain/Palin?

There was no incumbent running in '08, so no "devil we know."

Are you trying to tell me you knew Obama or you didn't know McCain?

I would have voted for Ol' Beelzebub himself if he were running against a ticket with that moron nutcase, Sarah Palin, on it.
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Re: Do you think the unemployment numbers will doom Obama to one term?
Posted by: Kiva
Date: July 07, 2012 06:23PM
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Dennis S
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swampy
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Lemon Drop
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swampy
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$tevie
. He is "the devil you don't know", and we know it's better to go with the devil you know.

If that be true why in the world would anyone have voted to Obama in 2008?

Why would anyone have voted for McCain/Palin?

There was no incumbent running in '08, so no "devil we know."

Are you trying to tell me you knew Obama or you didn't know McCain?

I would have voted for Ol' Beelzebub himself if he were running against a ticket with that moron nutcase, Sarah Palin, on it.

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Re: Do you think the unemployment numbers will doom Obama to one term?
Posted by: john dough
Date: July 07, 2012 07:48PM
agree smiley X 10

The GOP in 2008 was voting pure party without a clue to who they were supporting. I can see supporting McCain, as he did have some redeeming qualities, by Palin was/is/will be worthless. You cannot tell me that if she were a Democrat, the GOP would not beat her to a pulp.
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