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Jesus . . . "Chicago style politics..." Is that the best you can do?
Posted by: Black
Date: July 14, 2012 01:45PM
Mitt seems to be taking "got nothing" to amazing new heights.

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Re: Jesus . . . "Chicago style politics..." Is that the best you can do?
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: July 14, 2012 02:01PM
It probably is the best he can do. Team Romney can't do anything but play defense from now on, a mess of their own making.
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Re: Jesus . . . "Chicago style politics..." Is that the best you can do?
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: July 14, 2012 02:07PM
Most interesting line in the story...

" The candidate, taking a weekend off from public events, spent the morning at his lake house, working on his iPad on the lawn while his grandchildren played nearby."

So one could say Romney supports a closed and controlling approach...

or

He is status conscious and throws money away...

or

He likes quality

or

he needs things simple

or

the man is smarter than I thought (but I'm still not voting for him).


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Re: Jesus . . . "Chicago style politics..." Is that the best you can do?
Posted by: billb
Date: July 14, 2012 02:10PM
We smear, you smear, we all smear cuz we all got nothing.
Spread it on whole wheat propaganda bread and keep the lemmings' bellies full.

Neither one of 'em should be talking about their records on job creation. They both suck.




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Re: Jesus . . . "Chicago style politics..." Is that the best you can do?
Posted by: hal
Date: July 14, 2012 02:17PM
Whining and complaining about being badgered about releasing his past tax returns is a HUGE mistake.

Yes, of course the Obama team will go over every detail and use every tidbit they find against Romney and yes, much of the data will be taken out of context and used to the full extent of the law. It's not 'Chicago style politics' - it's presidential election politics. Welcome to the big leagues buddy...

BUT... Romney WILL release these records. He must. Obama will not ease the pressure one bit and will only increase it until these tax records become the biggest story of the campaign.

He shoulda done it years ago so that the noise will have died down come election time.
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Re: Jesus . . . "Chicago style politics..." Is that the best you can do?
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: July 14, 2012 02:22PM
I'd have to disagree bill. Of course there is nothing easier than saying "they both suck" and if you don't want to think any harder than that, then stop reading.

Obama should be talking about job growth since 2009.
From 2000 to 2009 there was net zero job growth in the United States, something that was unprecedented over the past 70 years.

In 2010 alone there were more new jobs created than over the entire Presidency of George W. Bush. Romney's team consists mostly of Bush people, why would anyone want to go back there?

We're clearly not in Kansas anymore. There's quite a lot to discuss.
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Re: Jesus . . . "Chicago style politics..." Is that the best you can do?
Posted by: hal
Date: July 14, 2012 02:37PM
I disagree Lemon - talking about job growth while the unemployment rate is so high rings hollow. Yes jobs are being created - but the effects of jobs growth requires charts and graphs to be understood - it isn't plainly evident.
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Re: Jesus . . . "Chicago style politics..." Is that the best you can do?
Posted by: billb
Date: July 14, 2012 02:40PM
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Lemon Drop
I'd have to disagree bill.

Of course you do.

Of course there is nothing easier than saying "they both suck" and if you don't want to think any harder than that, then stop reading.
.

I don't want to waste keystrokes on my keyboard on specious punditry. You obviously have little more to offer than insults.
Typical ones at that.
I expect little more from you.
Considering the source, they have absolutely no value to me.

Curse away with more foul diatribe.
It's at best amusingly entertaining.




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Re: Jesus . . . "Chicago style politics..." Is that the best you can do?
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: July 14, 2012 02:48PM
I guess that struck a nerve, but I see you did keep reading, so thanks for thinking little harder.
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Re: Jesus . . . "Chicago style politics..." Is that the best you can do?
Posted by: $tevie
Date: July 14, 2012 03:10PM
The term "Chicago-style politics" is very popular among the right, so in using it Mitt is sending a signal to folks whose vote he is soliciting. It's not as meaningless as it appears.


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Re: Jesus . . . "Chicago style politics..." Is that the best you can do?
Posted by: Pam
Date: July 14, 2012 03:14PM
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billb
We smear, you smear, we all smear cuz we all got nothing.
Spread it on whole wheat propaganda bread and keep the lemmings' bellies full.

Neither one of 'em should be talking about their records on job creation. They both suck.

Yes, everyone smears. As for job creation, both should talk about what they have done. And why what they wanted to do wasn't carried out and who stopped their plans.
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Re: Jesus . . . "Chicago style politics..." Is that the best you can do?
Posted by: Black
Date: July 14, 2012 03:15PM
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$tevie
The term "Chicago-style politics" is very popular among the right, so in using it Mitt is sending a signal to folks whose vote he is soliciting. It's not as meaningless as it appears.

Could be, but I really was reacting more to the comment in context . . . he kind of gets backed into a corner and the "Chicago" thing pops out fairly acontextually....


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Re: Jesus . . . "Chicago style politics..." Is that the best you can do?
Posted by: $tevie
Date: July 14, 2012 03:19PM
That's my point. It's a more sophisticated version of "Birth Certificate!" is all. He can't say anything relevant so he pulls that out of his nether regions.


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Re: Jesus . . . "Chicago style politics..." Is that the best you can do?
Posted by: Avenger
Date: July 14, 2012 03:40PM
>>From 2000 to 2009 there was net zero job growth in the United States<<

During most of Bush years, we were routinely hearing of 300,000 jobs a month. Obama would kill for a third of that. So take that Obama-created-new-jobs elsewhere.
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Re: Jesus . . . "Chicago style politics..." Is that the best you can do?
Posted by: Dennis S
Date: July 14, 2012 03:44PM
"During most of Bush years, we were routinely hearing of 300,000 jobs a month." - Dakota

We're talking about NET jobs. Or you were hearing voices again.
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Re: Jesus . . . "Chicago style politics..." Is that the best you can do?
Posted by: Black
Date: July 14, 2012 03:47PM


We need a catchy name for "the period of recovery from the Bush disaster."


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Re: Jesus . . . "Chicago style politics..." Is that the best you can do?
Posted by: Avenger
Date: July 14, 2012 03:55PM
This chart is not going to win Obama reelection. Shuttered stores and laid off people will see to that. There are 350,000 new people joining unemployment lines every week. 80,000 new jobs a month is not going to cut it. That is less than 30 jobs per county.
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Re: Jesus . . . "Chicago style politics..." Is that the best you can do?
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: July 14, 2012 04:02PM
"applications for unemployment aid tumbled 26,000 last week to a seasonally adjusted 350,000 — the fewest since March 2008."
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Re: Jesus . . . "Chicago style politics..." Is that the best you can do?
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: July 14, 2012 04:04PM
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We need a catchy name for "the period of recovery from the Bush disaster."

We're going to call them the "Obama years."
May not be too catchy, but there are going to be 8 of them.
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Re: Jesus . . . "Chicago style politics..." Is that the best you can do?
Posted by: Avenger
Date: July 14, 2012 04:07PM
That is 1.4 million new people a month and you want me to believe Obama has created jobs? Get outta here.
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Re: Jesus . . . "Chicago style politics..." Is that the best you can do?
Posted by: Black
Date: July 14, 2012 04:17PM
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Lemon Drop

May not be too catchy, but there are going to be 8 of them.




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Re: Jesus . . . "Chicago style politics..." Is that the best you can do?
Posted by: Black
Date: July 14, 2012 04:18PM
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Avenger
That is 1.4 million new people a month and you want me to believe Obama has created jobs? Get outta here.

Can you have someone who doesn't suffer from your condition read and explain the above chart to you?


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Re: Jesus . . . "Chicago style politics..." Is that the best you can do?
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: July 14, 2012 04:18PM
I can read unemployment stats, I assume you can too?
[www.bls.gov]

Why should I vote for Mitt Romney?
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Re: Jesus . . . "Chicago style politics..." Is that the best you can do?
Posted by: Pam
Date: July 14, 2012 04:27PM
Like the Republicans had nothing to do with blocking or stalling efforts to create jobs. But let's blame Obama no matter what the numbers say.
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Re: Jesus . . . "Chicago style politics..." Is that the best you can do?
Posted by: Dennis S
Date: July 14, 2012 04:42PM
I'll bet you a Coke those new people are taken into account.
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Re: Jesus . . . "Chicago style politics..." Is that the best you can do?
Posted by: john dough
Date: July 14, 2012 05:30PM
When Avenger gets slapped around, he changes the subject. Making up something about Obama is pretty lame compared to people presenting actual facts.

He begged to get back to this forum for what, more abuse? Pathetic.


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Re: Jesus . . . "Chicago style politics..." Is that the best you can do?
Posted by: rankandfile
Date: July 14, 2012 06:46PM
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hal
BUT... Romney WILL release these records. He must.

If he releases his state 2010 return, it will be the definitive piece of evidence that proves he committed voter fraud in MA in January 2010. He did not meet the MA residency requirements.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/14/2012 06:46PM by rankandfile.
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Re: Jesus . . . "Chicago style politics..." Is that the best you can do?
Posted by: hal
Date: July 14, 2012 06:59PM
...and you know this, how?
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Re: Jesus . . . "Chicago style politics..." Is that the best you can do?
Posted by: Ca Bob
Date: July 14, 2012 08:18PM
It's been painfully obvious to professionals (including bloggers) that Romney is a serial liar. The pile of evidence is huge. What does take a while is for the press to develop a narrative about the challenger and to pile on. If the Romney narrative is that he says whatever he thinks will win him a vote, no matter how often he has to change his position in order to do so, then that narrative will build and build. It might coalesce around the Bain story, it might build around the fact that he told two opposing stories, one to argue his residency so he could run for governor, the other so that he could pretend not to be a predatory businessman in his presidential run. It might be something else. In the meanwhile, he seems to be trying to be a lightweight Karl Rove, attacking Obama in Obama's strong points, but it doesn't seem to be working this time around. I suspect that this is because George W Bush, although perceived as being a little dumb, was also perceived as having a kind of dumb guy toughness in an era when that was considered a plus. Romney comes across as wimpy and whiney in too many ways. We haven't seen a lot of Obama fighting back against the Republicans during the past 3 years because he has had other obligations as president, such as trying to get legislation passed and judges approved. But now it's election season, and the gloves come off to a certain extent. I suspect that the Romney campaign has been trying to figure out how to do the etch-a-sketch thing so that he can appeal to sane voters, and they are having a difficult time of it. That conflicts with doing the Rove game, because going low all the time has become offensive to the swing voters.
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Re: Jesus . . . "Chicago style politics..." Is that the best you can do?
Posted by: RgrF
Date: July 14, 2012 11:10PM
To add to what CaBob said: It became painfully clear to Republican opponents that given half a chance Romney was willing to dump enormous amounts of money into negative campaign ads -at times outspending opponents 8 or 10 to one to, in many cases, barely eck out a victory.

That was all he wanted or needed to push them all out of the running and ascend to the nomination.

The Obama campaign team would be fools to not act to counter his ability to do the same to their candidate. The first part of the plan seems to be working but with his access to cash it's hardly decided, after all it's not even August yet and aside from people who eat, drink and breath politics the real campaign has yet to begin.

Don't bet Bain and tax returns against Rove, Kotch, Merdoch and company, at least not yet.
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Re: Jesus . . . "Chicago style politics..." Is that the best you can do?
Posted by: Black
Date: July 14, 2012 11:38PM
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Ca Bob
It's been painfully obvious to professionals (including bloggers) that Romney is a serial liar. The pile of evidence is huge. What does take a while is for the press to develop a narrative about the challenger and to pile on. If the Romney narrative is that he says whatever he thinks will win him a vote, no matter how often he has to change his position in order to do so, then that narrative will build and build. It might coalesce around the Bain story, it might build around the fact that he told two opposing stories, one to argue his residency so he could run for governor, the other so that he could pretend not to be a predatory businessman in his presidential run. It might be something else. In the meanwhile, he seems to be trying to be a lightweight Karl Rove, attacking Obama in Obama's strong points, but it doesn't seem to be working this time around. I suspect that this is because George W Bush, although perceived as being a little dumb, was also perceived as having a kind of dumb guy toughness in an era when that was considered a plus. Romney comes across as wimpy and whiney in too many ways. We haven't seen a lot of Obama fighting back against the Republicans during the past 3 years because he has had other obligations as president, such as trying to get legislation passed and judges approved. But now it's election season, and the gloves come off to a certain extent. I suspect that the Romney campaign has been trying to figure out how to do the etch-a-sketch thing so that he can appeal to sane voters, and they are having a difficult time of it. That conflicts with doing the Rove game, because going low all the time has become offensive to the swing voters.

*swoon*



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Re: Jesus . . . "Chicago style politics..." Is that the best you can do?
Posted by: Manlove
Date: July 15, 2012 01:06AM
psst! Black! If you wanna borrow my moniker, just ask.
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Re: Jesus . . . "Chicago style politics..." Is that the best you can do?
Posted by: RgrF
Date: July 15, 2012 01:53AM
Black nee; black landlord, ho'ard owned it before your first appearance.
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Re: Jesus . . . "Chicago style politics..." Is that the best you can do?
Posted by: Manlove
Date: July 15, 2012 01:54AM
so I ...stole it?



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Re: Jesus . . . "Chicago style politics..." Is that the best you can do?
Posted by: RgrF
Date: July 15, 2012 01:59AM
Well technically no, although the sentiment...
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Re: Jesus . . . "Chicago style politics..." Is that the best you can do?
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: July 15, 2012 03:36AM
Obama's comeback to Romney's demand for an apology is spot on.

I can't link it here because it's on the campaign website, but if you go to barack obama dot com and then truth team you'll see it.
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Re: Jesus . . . "Chicago style politics..." Is that the best you can do?
Posted by: graylocks
Date: July 15, 2012 08:11AM
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Lemon Drop
I can't link it here because it's on the campaign website, but if you go to barack obama dot com and then truth team you'll see it.

thanks for the pointer. i hulu tv so i rarely see political ads. LOVED the one with Romney singing America the Beautiful. very well done. obama has pretty savvy folks working for him.


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Re: Jesus . . . "Chicago style politics..." Is that the best you can do?
Posted by: swampy
Date: July 15, 2012 09:55AM
There are 30+ jobs bills passed by the House Republicans and languishing in Harry Reid's pocket because he doesn't have the votes to defeat them. Dems are the obstructionists, but try to blame it all on the Reps. That's Chicago Politics to me.




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Re: Jesus . . . "Chicago style politics..." Is that the best you can do?
Posted by: $tevie
Date: July 15, 2012 10:37AM
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Re: Jesus . . . "Chicago style politics..." Is that the best you can do?
Posted by: $tevie
Date: July 15, 2012 10:41AM
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To make sure they back up their public claims with what might appear to be "fact", they've built a page on the House of Representatives site with a list of their so-called jobs bills, which number 27 and not 30 as the Speaker claims. What follows is a list and a brief explanation of why they are not jobs bills. Feel free to share it widely with your friends who might be inclined to believe Mr. Tobacco Lobbyist Check Distributor without questioning it.

[crooksandliars.com]


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Re: Jesus . . . "Chicago style politics..." Is that the best you can do?
Posted by: Pam
Date: July 15, 2012 10:47AM
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swampy
There are 30+ jobs bills passed by the House Republicans and languishing in Harry Reid's pocket because he doesn't have the votes to defeat them. Dems are the obstructionists, but try to blame it all on the Reps. That's Chicago Politics to me.

You mean like these? [firedupmissouri.com]
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Re: Jesus . . . "Chicago style politics..." Is that the best you can do?
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: July 15, 2012 10:50AM
MRF fact checkers are kind of awesome! Nice work.
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Re: Jesus . . . "Chicago style politics..." Is that the best you can do?
Posted by: $tevie
Date: July 15, 2012 10:52AM
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Pam
http://firedupmissouri.com/node/14837

Thanks, Pam. That's an interesting link!


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Re: Jesus . . . "Chicago style politics..." Is that the best you can do?
Posted by: Avenger
Date: July 15, 2012 10:52AM
I would be laughing too if I was on tape in my own voice saying I smoked grass, did coke, founded the choom gang, lied about what I heard in the church for 20 years and all the press was interested in was when Romney left Bain.
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Re: Jesus . . . "Chicago style politics..." Is that the best you can do?
Posted by: Pam
Date: July 15, 2012 11:22AM
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Avenger
I would be laughing too if I was on tape in my own voice saying I smoked grass, did coke, founded the choom gang, lied about what I heard in the church for 20 years and all the press was interested in was when Romney left Bain.

You left out where I was really born.
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Re: Jesus . . . "Chicago style politics..." Is that the best you can do?
Posted by: $tevie
Date: July 15, 2012 11:26AM
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Pam
Quote
Avenger
I would be laughing too if I was on tape in my own voice saying I smoked grass, did coke, founded the choom gang, lied about what I heard in the church for 20 years and all the press was interested in was when Romney left Bain.

You left out where I was really born.

And my bad grades.


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Re: Jesus . . . "Chicago style politics..." Is that the best you can do?
Posted by: Pam
Date: July 15, 2012 11:58AM
BTW, swampy's 30+ job statement was clearly nothing more than a GOP release. There was some variation in how many jobs bills were held up by the senate, 10-30+, but finding an objective appraisal or listing of these bills was about impossible. Heck I couldn't even readily find a moderate appraisal. It was nothing more than a partisan release that's been parroted throughout. And yes Democrats do the same thing.
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Re: Jesus . . . "Chicago style politics..." Is that the best you can do?
Posted by: Black
Date: July 15, 2012 12:51PM
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Pam
Quote
swampy
There are 30+ jobs bills passed by the House Republicans and languishing in Harry Reid's pocket because he doesn't have the votes to defeat them. Dems are the obstructionists, but try to blame it all on the Reps. That's Chicago Politics to me.

You mean like these? [firedupmissouri.com]

That's great. Love the "real" names.


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Re: Jesus . . . "Chicago style politics..." Is that the best you can do?
Posted by: Dennis S
Date: July 15, 2012 01:38PM
Heck, if the Republicans hadn't wasted those 31 (or was it 33) votes to repeal the Affordable Care Act, they could have passed over 60 jobs bills.
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Re: Jesus . . . "Chicago style politics..." Is that the best you can do?
Posted by: decay
Date: July 15, 2012 11:11PM
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Avenger
I would be laughing too if I was on tape in my own voice saying I smoked grass, did coke, founded the choom gang, lied about what I heard in the church for 20 years and all the press was interested in was when Romney left Bain.

[www.talkleft.com]

"as a high school student"

i wonder how long it took Bush to stop his substance abuse?




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