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| The summer that Mitt didn't want, part deux Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: July 16, 2012 04:15PM
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black, your thread was completely apropos of the most important political news and deserves another chance post-derailment. (sorry about that)
Yeah Mitt really has no good choices here. If his tax returns were not problematic he would have dumped them early in the primary season and nobody would be discussing it now.
As for Bain, he's looking up from a hole he dug himself. His campaign, including these new hires brought in to fix all this, seems to make things worse every time they address this.
For example, when asked if Mr. Romney agreed with management decisions while he was "away" running the Olympics:
"Those decisions were made by folks that were running the company differently. So I don't have the details of what decision-making went into it. Oftentimes what happens with those type of decisions is that you have software companies, you have different types of companies that have to go out and have manufacturing needs, and when they go to look for companies that have manufacturing needs that they don't have, oftentimes those are manufacturing outposts around the globe. But the most important thing that we can answer is what we're going to do to create more jobs here in the country, and that's where Governor Romney has a much superior plan than President Obama."
Yeah Mitt really has no good choices here. If his tax returns were not problematic he would have dumped them early in the primary season and nobody would be discussing it now.
As for Bain, he's looking up from a hole he dug himself. His campaign, including these new hires brought in to fix all this, seems to make things worse every time they address this.
For example, when asked if Mr. Romney agreed with management decisions while he was "away" running the Olympics:
"Those decisions were made by folks that were running the company differently. So I don't have the details of what decision-making went into it. Oftentimes what happens with those type of decisions is that you have software companies, you have different types of companies that have to go out and have manufacturing needs, and when they go to look for companies that have manufacturing needs that they don't have, oftentimes those are manufacturing outposts around the globe. But the most important thing that we can answer is what we're going to do to create more jobs here in the country, and that's where Governor Romney has a much superior plan than President Obama."
| Re: The summer that Mitt didn't want, part deux Posted by: August West
Date: July 16, 2012 04:48PM
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That is poorly handled excuse making. I'm glad the folks here have brought this issues to the fore, I hadn't paid a lot of attention before now. I categorize myself as a somewhat disinterested voter, and my ears @#$%& up about these issues. To me, integrity is important, and Mitt lacks it. I observed as he poured money into attack ads during the primary, now I hear him whine that, suddenly, turnabout is not fair play. Then, he is explaining away the submission of shaky documentation to the SEC. Sure, you can tell me that everyone is doing it, but don't ask to be my representative, the leader of my country. Beyond that, we get into the ugliness of his finances. Why won't he release the tax returns? I didn't think a lot of it before, but now? What is he hiding that McCain can see, but the electorate cannot?
I think you are spot on, LD. His people are failing him in a spectacular fashion.
I think you are spot on, LD. His people are failing him in a spectacular fashion.
| Re: The summer that Mitt didn't want, part deux Posted by: Dennis S
Date: July 16, 2012 05:02PM
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| Re: The summer that Mitt didn't want, part deux Posted by: $tevie
Date: July 16, 2012 07:46PM
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Dennis S
I heard some of Mitt's answer to a question and it reminded me of this:
[www.metacafe.com]
I knew that. It's so funny that you thought I didn't know that!
"Stop thinking about art works as objects, and start thinking about them as triggers for experiences." ~ Brian Eno
| Re: The summer that Mitt didn't want, part deux Posted by: $tevie
Date: July 16, 2012 07:50PM
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August West
That is poorly handled excuse making. I'm glad the folks here have brought this issues to the fore, I hadn't paid a lot of attention before now. I categorize myself as a somewhat disinterested voter, and my ears @#$%& up about these issues. To me, integrity is important, and Mitt lacks it. I observed as he poured money into attack ads during the primary, now I hear him whine that, suddenly, turnabout is not fair play. Then, he is explaining away the submission of shaky documentation to the SEC. Sure, you can tell me that everyone is doing it, but don't ask to be my representative, the leader of my country. Beyond that, we get into the ugliness of his finances. Why won't he release the tax returns? I didn't think a lot of it before, but now? What is he hiding that McCain can see, but the electorate cannot?
This is a good synopsis of why this has blown up the way it has. I still credit the Obama campaign with pounding away at it until it became a "thing", but it is proving to be a very serious thing indeed.
"Stop thinking about art works as objects, and start thinking about them as triggers for experiences." ~ Brian Eno
| Re: The summer that Mitt didn't want, part deux Posted by: beagledave
Date: July 16, 2012 07:50PM
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| Re: The summer that Mitt didn't want, part deux Posted by: Avenger
Date: July 16, 2012 08:27PM
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| Re: The summer that Mitt didn't want, part deux Posted by: Speedy
Date: July 16, 2012 10:20PM
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The Governor will not be releasing his taxes. Period! He knows he would be cutting his own throat. It has taken him since the first day after the last presidential vote to clean up his finances enough to be able to release his 2010 taxes.
Saint Cloud, Minnesota, where the weather is wonderful even when it isn't.
Saint Cloud, Minnesota, where the weather is wonderful even when it isn't.
| Re: The summer that Mitt didn't want, part deux Posted by: Black
Date: July 16, 2012 10:36PM
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| Re: The summer that Mitt didn't want, part deux Posted by: Avenger
Date: July 16, 2012 10:45PM
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| Re: The summer that Mitt didn't want, part deux Posted by: Black
Date: July 16, 2012 11:03PM
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| Re: The summer that Mitt didn't want, part deux Posted by: RgrF
Date: July 16, 2012 11:48PM
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| Re: The summer that Mitt didn't want, part deux Posted by: Avenger
Date: July 17, 2012 09:08AM
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| Re: The summer that Mitt didn't want, part deux Posted by: Ted King
Date: July 17, 2012 10:10AM
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This scenario was bound to happen, especially after this:
Jan 22, 2012
Even a lot of Republicans didn't like Romney refusing to release his tax records. Evidently, based on what happened after the South Carolina primary, Republican voters seem to have largely decided that more than two years tax records weren't necessary in their vetting of Romney. But I have great doubts that the electorate in general, and swing voters in particular, are going to not be noticeably concerned that Romney won't release tax records for farther back.
Anyway, based on what happened in the South Carolina primary debate and direct aftermath, it should have been obvious to everyone - Romney in particular - that the lack of producing a fairly comprehensive set of tax records was going to be a problem. I'm firmly in the camp of people who think the reason he isn't releasing more years of records is because he thinks doing so will hurt him more than not doing so. And not doing so is going to hurt him quite a bit, so what's in those records is probably pretty "bad". Of course, I could be wrong; it's even possible that there is nothing all that "bad" in Romney's tax records and that he planned on releasing many years worth all along, but he is trying to coax Obama way out on a limb of making the tax records a key issue and then showing that they amount to nothing, weakening Obama vis a vis himself. That's possible, but I really doubt; I'll bet he's got something he really wants to hide.
Jan 22, 2012
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Romney, the longtime frontrunner in the Republican race and one of the wealthiest presidential candidates in history, lost to a resurrected Newt Gingrich in the conservative southern state on Saturday after stumbling badly in debates with clumsy responses to demands that he disclose his tax history.
Trying to recapture his footing as the contest heads to more populous and more moderate Florida, Romney said he would release his 2010 returns and an estimate for 2011 on Tuesday.
"We made a mistake holding off as long as we did and it just was a distraction," Romney said on "Fox News Sunday."
Even a lot of Republicans didn't like Romney refusing to release his tax records. Evidently, based on what happened after the South Carolina primary, Republican voters seem to have largely decided that more than two years tax records weren't necessary in their vetting of Romney. But I have great doubts that the electorate in general, and swing voters in particular, are going to not be noticeably concerned that Romney won't release tax records for farther back.
Anyway, based on what happened in the South Carolina primary debate and direct aftermath, it should have been obvious to everyone - Romney in particular - that the lack of producing a fairly comprehensive set of tax records was going to be a problem. I'm firmly in the camp of people who think the reason he isn't releasing more years of records is because he thinks doing so will hurt him more than not doing so. And not doing so is going to hurt him quite a bit, so what's in those records is probably pretty "bad". Of course, I could be wrong; it's even possible that there is nothing all that "bad" in Romney's tax records and that he planned on releasing many years worth all along, but he is trying to coax Obama way out on a limb of making the tax records a key issue and then showing that they amount to nothing, weakening Obama vis a vis himself. That's possible, but I really doubt; I'll bet he's got something he really wants to hide.
| Re: The summer that Mitt didn't want, part deux Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: July 17, 2012 10:42AM
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Great points Ted, I agree that I don't think Romney's playing games with his tax returns, that would make him look pretty ridiculous. If the returns reveal more of the same as his 2010, that's more ammunition for Democrats. If they're worse, that's even more ammunition. If he doesn't disclose them, people will assume that he's hiding something serious.
Don't see how he wins this one.
Don't see how he wins this one.
| Re: The summer that Mitt didn't want, part deux Posted by: $tevie
Date: July 17, 2012 11:10AM
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| Re: The summer that Mitt didn't want, part deux Posted by: RgrF
Date: July 17, 2012 03:21PM
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| Re: The summer that Mitt didn't want, part deux Posted by: Ted King
Date: July 17, 2012 03:38PM
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| Re: The summer that Mitt didn't want, part deux Posted by: Avenger
Date: July 17, 2012 03:53PM
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| Re: The summer that Mitt didn't want, part deux Posted by: Dennis S
Date: July 17, 2012 04:40PM
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| Re: The summer that Mitt didn't want, part deux Posted by: Avenger
Date: July 17, 2012 10:22PM
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For this reason. Does the tone sound familiar?
The Obama campaign released this summary of the senator's health records on Thursday and does not plan to make additional records available:
[www.politico.com]
The Obama campaign released this summary of the senator's health records on Thursday and does not plan to make additional records available:
[www.politico.com]
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