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Re: "The Communist"
Posted by: swampy
Date: July 18, 2012 02:11PM
This book IS the sunlight, August.

Maybe you can explain it all backwards to me... in other words, why does Obama espouse the ideology (almost word for word) and take the actions that Davis was an advocate for?

Obama's first book was "Dreams of My Father". Perhaps "father" is a metaphor for Davis?




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Re: "The Communist"
Posted by: August West
Date: July 18, 2012 02:18PM
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Maybe you can explain it all backwards to me...

As someone said earlier, you are simply looking for ways to prove your preconceived notions. It's called confirmation bias.

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why does Obama espouse the ideology (almost word for word) and take the actions that Davis was an advocate for

Please provide me with President Obama's "almost word for word" espousal of a devout communist ideology. Also, please answer the questions I asked earlier.
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Re: "The Communist"
Posted by: Avenger
Date: July 18, 2012 02:22PM
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August West
CARD CARRYING COMMUNIST!!

No kidding!
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Re: "The Communist"
Posted by: Avenger
Date: July 18, 2012 02:23PM
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mick e
Oh where to start? Jeez.

If he hated GM - WHY DID HE BAIL THEM OUT?????

He doesn't hate government-owned factories. He loves them.
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Re: "The Communist"
Posted by: $tevie
Date: July 18, 2012 02:24PM
Well, I was feelin’ sad and feelin’ blue
I didn’t know what in the world I wus gonna do
Them Communists they wus comin’ around
They wus in the air
They wus on the ground
They wouldn’t gimme no peace . . .

So I run down most hurriedly
And joined up with the John Birch Society
I got me a secret membership card
And started off a-walkin’ down the road
Yee-hoo, I’m a real John Bircher now!
Look out you Commies!

Now we all agree with Hitler’s views
Although he killed six million Jews
It don’t matter too much that he was a Fascist
At least you can’t say he was a Communist!
That’s to say like if you got a cold you take a shot of malaria

Well, I wus lookin’ everywhere for them gol-darned Reds
I got up in the mornin’ ’n’ looked under my bed
Looked in the sink, behind the door
Looked in the glove compartment of my car
Couldn’t find ’em . . .

I wus lookin’ high an’ low for them Reds everywhere
I wus lookin’ in the sink an’ underneath the chair
I looked way up my chimney hole
I even looked deep down inside my toilet bowl
They got away . . .

Well, I wus sittin’ home alone an’ started to sweat
Figured they wus in my T.V. set
Peeked behind the picture frame
Got a shock from my feet, hittin’ right up in the brain
Them Reds caused it!
I know they did . . . them hard-core ones

Well, I quit my job so I could work all alone
Then I changed my name to Sherlock Holmes
Followed some clues from my detective bag
And discovered they wus red stripes on the American flag!
That ol’ Betsy Ross . . .

Well, I investigated all the books in the library
Ninety percent of ’em gotta be burned away
I investigated all the people that I knowed
Ninety-eight percent of them gotta go
The other two percent are fellow Birchers . . . just like me

Now Eisenhower, he’s a Russian spy
Lincoln, Jefferson and that Roosevelt guy
To my knowledge there’s just one man
That’s really a true American: George Lincoln Rockwell
I know for a fact he hates Commies cus he picketed the movie Exodus

Well, I fin’ly started thinkin’ straight
When I run outa things to investigate
Couldn’t imagine doin’ anything else
So now I’m sittin’ home investigatin’ myself!
Hope I don’t find out anything . . . hmm, great God!



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Re: "The Communist"
Posted by: Avenger
Date: July 18, 2012 02:27PM
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Lemon Drop
Sure and capitalism brought about the Atlantic slave trade.

Does that make capitalism evil?

Sleep well tonight for kicking one more pillar from under America. Feels good, doesn't it? You are a good student of your idol. Next time when you hear someone say Obama hates America the way it came about, I believe it. He even has problem with the Bill of Rights.
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Re: "The Communist"
Posted by: swampy
Date: July 18, 2012 02:28PM
This book IS the sunlight, August. It gives us all we should have known about Obama 4 years ago that the press never bothered to investigate.

Nothing prevents the son from follwing in the footsteps of his father.

And this discussion is not about Mitt Romney's tax returns. There are other threads for that discussion.




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Re: "The Communist"
Posted by: Avenger
Date: July 18, 2012 02:30PM
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Ca Bob
Sigh. . . Obama pointed out that a business that relies on a road or a bridge didn't build it --

Pure spin. That is not what the people heard and this is not the first time he has said it. He often says you, individual, are nobody without the government. Even you agree with it.
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Re: "The Communist"
Posted by: Avenger
Date: July 18, 2012 02:31PM
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August West
Isn't guilt by association more Stalinist than the freedom of association afforded by the constitution, swampy?

There was no "association", He WAS a proud communist.
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Re: "The Communist"
Posted by: Ca Bob
Date: July 18, 2012 02:32PM
Gosh, a good ol fashioned red baiting from the 1950s. Pathetic.

That list of all those commie positions reminds me of Republican Party platforms and Democratic Party platforms and ideas that are pushed on blogs every day.

• Advocated wealth redistribution from (in his words) greedy "corporations" to "health insurance" and public works projects";
• Favored taxpayer funding of universal health care;
• Supported government stimulus and trumpeted the public sector over the private sector;
• Constantly bashed Wall Street;
• Marched in May Day Parades
• Dismissed traditional notions of American exceptionalism and framed America not as selflessly serving the post-World War II world but instead as selfishly flaunting its so-called "mountainous ego" and racist imperialist colonialist ambitions;
• Warned God-and-gun-clinging Americans about huckster preachers and instead sought the political support of the "social justice" Religious Left for various causes and campaigns;
• Perceived the Catholic Church as an obstacle to his vision for the state;
• Confidently declared certain government actions "constitutional" or "unconstitutional";
• Excoriated the "tentacles of big business," bankers, big oil, the "Big Boys", "excess profits", corporate fat cats and their "fat contracts, "millionaires" and "rich men," and the wealthy;
• Attacked GOP tax cuts that "spare the rich" and that only "benefit millionaires";
• Singled out the "corporation executive" for not paying "fair" share;
• Used slogans such as "change" and "forward";

OK, so I left out the Winston Churchill part, and I left out the part about GM, since Obama obviously didn't attempt to nationalize it, and even though some solidly conservative folks suggested that if the taxpayers were going to pay for GM then we might as well own it. Most of the rest is stuff that may be scary to the resident trolls, but having a single payer health care system is supported by tens of millions of Americans at the least, and a solid majority of us attack the GOP tax cuts that spare the rich, benefit millionaires, and damage the economy.

I think I may walk over to In 'n Out Burger for lunch.
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Re: "The Communist"
Posted by: swampy
Date: July 18, 2012 02:34PM
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August West
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Maybe you can explain it all backwards to me...

As someone said earlier, you are simply looking for ways to prove your preconceived notions. It's called confirmation bias.

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why does Obama espouse the ideology (almost word for word) and take the actions that Davis was an advocate for

Please provide me with President Obama's "almost word for word" espousal of a devout communist ideology. Also, please answer the questions I asked earlier.

Hell yes I'm bias.

I'm not going to read the book to you, August. Go buy your own copy and read the "almost word for word" words yourself. You can't argue this, because you haven't even read the book.




If you don't stand for something, you'll probably fall for anything.
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Re: "The Communist"
Posted by: Avenger
Date: July 18, 2012 02:37PM
You are arguing with people who fundamentally agree with a communist. They are not going to be shamed.
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Re: "The Communist"
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: July 18, 2012 02:38PM
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Avenger
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Lemon Drop
Sure and capitalism brought about the Atlantic slave trade.

Does that make capitalism evil?

Sleep well tonight for kicking one more pillar from under America. Feels good, doesn't it? You are a good student of your idol. Next time when you hear someone say Obama hates America the way it came about, I believe it. He even has problem with the Bill of Rights.




The answer to the question is no, it doesn't make capitalism evil.
Ideologies aren't good and they aren't bad, it's what people do with the ideas that counts.
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Re: "The Communist"
Posted by: mattkime
Date: July 18, 2012 02:39PM
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Avenger
You are arguing with people who fundamentally agree with a communist. They are not going to be shamed.

can i have my name taken off the list if i name others?


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Re: "The Communist"
Posted by: swampy
Date: July 18, 2012 02:40PM
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Ca Bob
Gosh, a good ol fashioned red baiting from the 1950s. Pathetic.

That list of all those commie positions reminds me of Republican Party platforms and Democratic Party platforms and ideas that are pushed on blogs every day.

I could only list some of the bullet points, but you have to read the book to understand the parallels. There are too many to quote here, but in a nut shell... Davis said or wrote x, Obama said or fulfilled x by doing or saying y.




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Re: "The Communist"
Posted by: August West
Date: July 18, 2012 02:44PM
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swampy
You can't argue this, because you haven't even read the book.

You were asked to back up your assertion. I can only assume that since you will not back it up, it is untrue.

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swampy
Hell yes I'm bias.

I spoke of confirmation bias, not your personal biases.
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Re: "The Communist"
Posted by: beagledave
Date: July 18, 2012 02:46PM
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mattkime
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Avenger
You are arguing with people who fundamentally agree with a communist. They are not going to be shamed.

can i have my name taken off the list if i name others?



It's ZOMBIE MCCARTHY!!!!

AIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEE!!
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Re: "The Communist"
Posted by: beagledave
Date: July 18, 2012 02:47PM
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swampy

Hell yes I'm bias.

The word you're looking for is "biased", hun.
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Re: "The Communist"
Posted by: swampy
Date: July 18, 2012 02:47PM
"You were asked to back up your assertion. I can only assume that since you will not back it up, it is untrue."..AW

I told you, I'm not going to re-write the book for you here. If you don't believe me, buy your own copy, read it and then come back and argue your points. Otherwise I will have to assume that the dog ate your homework.




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Re: "The Communist"
Posted by: August West
Date: July 18, 2012 02:47PM
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swampy
Davis said or wrote x, Obama said or fulfilled x by doing or saying y.

I thought it went even beyond that...

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swampy
It is as if Frank Davis is reaching out from his grave and guiding Obama...

In case you missed it, Confirmation bias
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Re: "The Communist"
Posted by: beagledave
Date: July 18, 2012 02:49PM
It IS nice to see that the usual suspects here are getting their marching orders in a timely fashion. Good work!

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Re: "The Communist"
Posted by: August West
Date: July 18, 2012 02:55PM
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swampy
I told you, I'm not going to re-write the book for you here.

That's really funny, because I seem to recall that when you were simply maligning the President, rather than having your baseless assertions challenged, you managed to post all this...

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swampy
All bullet points are documented from Davis's writings, FBI records, and news articles in the book's appendix.

• Rejected and blasted Winston Churchill;
• Vilified and targeted General Motors, a company that he would have been thrilled to nationalize;
• Advocated wealth redistribution from (in his words) greedy "corporations" to "health insurance" and public works projects";
• Favored taxpayer funding of universal health care;
• Supported government stimulus and trumpeted the public sector over the private sector;
• Constantly bashed Wall Street;
• Marched in May Day Parades
• Dismissed traditional notions of American exceptionalism and framed America not as selflessly serving the post-World War II world but instead as selfishly flaunting its so-called "mountainous ego" and racist imperialist colonialist ambitions;
• Warned God-and-gun-clinging Americans about huckster preachers and instead sought the political support of the "social justice" Religious Left for various causes and campaigns;
• Perceived the Catholic Church as an obstacle to his vision for the state;
• Confidently declared certain government actions "constitutional" or "unconstitutional";
• Excoriated the "tentacles of big business," bankers, big oil, the "Big Boys", "excess profits", corporate fat cats and their "fat contracts, "millionaires" and "rich men," and the wealthy;
• Attacked GOP tax cuts that "spare the rich" and that only "benefit millionaires";
• Singled out the "corporation executive" for not paying "fair" share;
• Used slogans such as "change" and "forward";

Yet you are unwilling to back up the nonsensical drivel you cook up in your fevered imagination.
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Re: "The Communist"
Posted by: mick e
Date: July 18, 2012 02:57PM
How much is swampy getting paid by the publisher for her form of guerrilla advertising here?

mick e's thinking well... whatever it is - it's likely too much.



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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/18/2012 03:11PM by mick e.
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Re: "The Communist"
Posted by: mick e
Date: July 18, 2012 02:59PM
Nobody has ever seen Davis and Angela Lansbury in the same room at the same time, btw.





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Re: "The Communist"
Posted by: August West
Date: July 18, 2012 03:01PM
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Nobody has ever seen Davis and Angela Lansbury in the same room at the same time, btw.

jest smiley
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Re: "The Communist"
Posted by: $tevie
Date: July 18, 2012 03:05PM
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Re: "The Communist"
Posted by: Pam
Date: July 18, 2012 03:18PM
Better do some more research:

[healthcarereform.procon.org]

As for Obama's mother and grandparents being marxists, you'll have to provide more than partisan fantasy on that one. His grandparents were noted for being conservative.
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Re: "The Communist"
Posted by: Uncle Wig
Date: July 18, 2012 03:18PM
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swampy

Obama's first book was "Dreams of My Father". Perhaps "father" is a metaphor for Davis?

If you had read Obama's book, you would know the answer.



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Re: "The Communist"
Posted by: swampy
Date: July 18, 2012 03:21PM
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August West
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swampy
Davis said or wrote x, Obama said or fulfilled x by doing or saying y.

I thought it went even beyond that...

You thought right. It does

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swampy
It is as if Frank Davis is reaching out from his grave and guiding Obama...

In case you missed it, Confirmation bias

If I wasn't bias before, this book put me there. It is confirmation of all that I believe about Obama and his goal to fundamentaly transform America.

If Kengor only wrote about a couple of instances, I'd not defend him, but this is page after page of them. Put in context with Alensky, Wright, Ayres, his mother, father, and other radicals in his life, it is a definitive piece. This is like Moses come down from the mountain. The book is too well documented and cited to be the trivial ramblings of a wingnut.




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Re: "The Communist"
Posted by: $tevie
Date: July 18, 2012 03:48PM
So your belief is that the President of the United States is in a position to change the entire country's system from capitalism to communism in 8 years.


"Stop thinking about art works as objects, and start thinking about them as triggers for experiences." ~ Brian Eno
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Re: "The Communist"
Posted by: swampy
Date: July 18, 2012 03:59PM
I don't know if he can, but it looks like he's going to try based on his policies so far and what I feel are his core values and ideology.




If you don't stand for something, you'll probably fall for anything.
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Re: "The Communist"
Posted by: $tevie
Date: July 18, 2012 04:02PM
He's been President for 3 1/2 years. I think you'd have noticed if he was getting anywhere with his Fiendish Plot. Honestly, you need a vacation or something.


"Stop thinking about art works as objects, and start thinking about them as triggers for experiences." ~ Brian Eno
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Re: "The Communist"
Posted by: swampy
Date: July 18, 2012 04:29PM
Everything he's done so far was a dream of of the radical Communist Frank Davis. Health care, nationalize GM, diversity politcs (race and class warfare), appologize for American exceptionalism, weaken the allies in Europe (Poland is a fine example), expand government, call for higher taxes on the rich not to mention the symbolic things like the return of Churchills bust, bowing to kings (world view - we are all equal), march in the May Day parade (let's celebrate Communism on May Day).

Pretty self evident to me.




If you don't stand for something, you'll probably fall for anything.



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Re: "The Communist"
Posted by: mattkime
Date: July 18, 2012 04:31PM
swampy, you're a conspiracy theorists
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Re: "The Communist"
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: July 18, 2012 04:32PM
What did Davis say Obama would do in his second term?

Just curious, we could get a head start on it.
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Re: "The Communist"
Posted by: Dennis S
Date: July 18, 2012 04:55PM
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swampy

why does Obama espouse the ideology (almost word for word)

Are you nuts? I think you're coo coo for Cocoa Puffs.
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Re: "The Communist"
Posted by: rgG
Date: July 18, 2012 05:20PM
OK. You think he is a communist and are not going to vote for him.

My neighbor down the street, who I used to think was relatively sane, says he knows Obama is really a Muslim, and of course is not going to vote for him.

Got it. Don't believe any of it, but got it. Now you vote your secret ballot in November and I will vote mine.

Let me say, that if I was displeased with the job Obama had done so far and I was considering voting for the opposition, I would be much more likely to do so if his supporters didn't make crazy arguments like this.

Personally I would not care if he was a Muslim or not, my best friend is a Muslim and we have been friends for almost 20 years.

If Obama is a Communist, he hasn't done a very good job making the U.S. more Communistic and those pesky Russians and Cubans don't seem to like us any better, so he gets a big red F, appropriate no, on that score.




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Re: "The Communist"
Posted by: swampy
Date: July 18, 2012 05:45PM
Oh, but he told those pesky Russians to wait and have patience because he would have more leeway after the election. (Gotta love open mikes). As far as Cuba goes, there are now direct flights to Cuba which the administration calls "easing the tensions" and Cuba loves it.

Look, I know this is a lot for Obama defenders to digest and you'll go on arguing your points without reading the book. For me it was liberating yet still hard to believe that Obama has done such a masterful job of deception. It's like being a Penn State/Paterno fan and reading the Fhree report. There will still be those who will defend Paterno in spite of the documents and testimony.

If you substitue "Dreams of Frank Davis" for "Dreams of My Father" you come to understand Obama's ideology and the foundation for it. Obama is living out the dreams of Davis.




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Re: "The Communist"
Posted by: $tevie
Date: July 18, 2012 05:52PM
Why would he want to "live out the dreams of Davis"? Honestly, you've gone stark raving bonkers.


"Stop thinking about art works as objects, and start thinking about them as triggers for experiences." ~ Brian Eno
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Re: "The Communist"
Posted by: Ca Bob
Date: July 18, 2012 06:00PM
It's actually a very old joke, only it's not funny because it was used to smear people and destroy their lives. People who opposed fascism in Europe were called "premature anti-fascists" after the war, because their views had accidentally or not-accidentally coincided with the position taken by the USSR and by its party stooges. The fact that people who would like to reform our health care system actually come from all over the political spectrum matters not a whit to the folks who are looking for red-baiting ammunition. The tactic happens to be sleazy and it happens to be intellectually dishonest, and it happens to represent a standard logical fallacy, but it does fit an emotional need of the paranoid far right, which is to find fault with those it sees as its opponents. In this case, anybody who would like to see taxes on the rich returned to a level that existed in the Clinton years and is light years lower than what existed in the Eisenhower and Nixon years, why that person is smeared as a socialist or communist or whatever-ist. The attacks on Obama are slimey beyond belief, yet they continue in spite of warehouses full of logical debunking. So now somebody finds some history that overlaps Obamas youth and early adult years, and manages to extract a few cherry picked nuggets. To the rest of us, the simple action of naming somebody (Pelossi, Wright, or at one time Tom Daschle) is not evidence of wrongdoing. It's just evidence that the right wing noise machine has its followers, and they don't bother to check their facts against reliable sources. Then they attack liberals for being illogical!

It is historical fact that lots of Americans played in various radical political movements as far back as the late 1800s, and a lot of that activism can be traced to the hard times that people went through in recession after recession, as local governments tried to suppress worker organizing, and as Wall Street bought the congress decade after decade. Many of them meant well, and most of them abandoned their political groups during and after WW II. It is no secret that the CP-USA was controlled by Stalin and his henchmen, and it is also pretty well established that most of the folks who were part of the American version of the CP started out as idealists. Many of them broke off when the Germans and the Russians signed a pact before the war.

The connection of any of this well established American history with the current president is nonsensical, but the attempt to make such connections is part of a long, malicious history of groups who used red-baiting as a tool to fight the civil rights movement (see for example the actions of J E Hoover against Martin Luther King) and as a tool to fight all the liberal improvements that we now take for granted such as social security, medicare, the 40 hour week, and workers' rights.
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Re: "The Communist"
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: July 18, 2012 06:02PM
"It's like being a Penn State/Paterno fan and reading the Fhree report."


Swampy everybody's been playing along here, but you've gone a bit too far with this. First of all, you're not reading this an Obama fan, you're looking for any supporting evidence, no matter how sketchy or weird, to support your preconceived negative ideas. Secondly and more importantly, it's offensive to put a discussion of political ideology on the same plane with a major child abuse scandal. Come on.
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Re: "The Communist"
Posted by: swampy
Date: July 18, 2012 06:10PM
$tevie, did you read "Dreams of My Father"? The book was about his quest to find himself as a black man and find the meaning in his father's life. His father rejected him. My guess is he turned to his mentor who closely match the ideology of his father's Marxist beliefs and adopted Davis's doctrins as his own.

I'm no psychologist so I don't know Why. He spent his formative years rebelling and seeking out like minded friends and they were all radicals. It became his culture and he has never expressed some kind of epiphany or change of views.




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Re: "The Communist"
Posted by: $tevie
Date: July 18, 2012 06:23PM
The idea that Obama has walked around pretending to be a capitalist all this time while harboring these deep-seated and evidently uncontrollable urges to turn the country Communist is patently absurd. And the idea that he could ever make it happen is even more absurd.

This is exactly how some people talked about FDR and JFK. How the nut jobs talked about them.

Sitting up all night reading a book about Barack Obama for the purposes of "studying him" indicates that you are in the throes of some kind of manic episode. I kid you not.


"Stop thinking about art works as objects, and start thinking about them as triggers for experiences." ~ Brian Eno



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Re: "The Communist"
Posted by: mick e
Date: July 18, 2012 06:23PM
That's a lot of speculation, with no basis at all.

What if Mitt Romney likes to get doinked by his dressage horse?

mick e's not SAYING that he does, he's just asking the question.



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Re: "The Communist"
Posted by: kanesa
Date: July 18, 2012 06:26PM
Paul Kengor is a conservative pundit who writes columns for townhall.com. He is also the executive director of the Center for Visions and Values. Check it out [www.visionandvalues.org]


This book is not written by an impartial author who is looking for facts. This is written by a man who is bent on destroying President Obama. I like the title of his other book, The Crusader, Ronald Reagan and the Fall of Communism. Here's a list of his columns in Townhall He appears to be a communist hunter. Smacks of Joe McCarthyism.

[townhall.com]
[townhall.com]

Yeah, I'm sure he did his best to be impartial and fair.......
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Re: "The Communist"
Posted by: davester
Date: July 18, 2012 06:35PM
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$tevie
Why would he want to "live out the dreams of Davis"? Honestly, you've gone stark raving bonkers.

My thoughts exactly. This is the most elaborate and nutso conspiracy theory I've seen grace this forum in a long time.



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Re: "The Communist"
Posted by: swampy
Date: July 18, 2012 07:27PM
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kanesa
Paul Kengor is a conservative pundit who writes columns for townhall.com. He is also the executive director of the Center for Visions and Values. Check it out [www.visionandvalues.org]


This book is not written by an impartial author who is looking for facts. This is written by a man who is bent on destroying President Obama. I like the title of his other book, The Crusader, Ronald Reagan and the Fall of Communism. Here's a list of his columns in Townhall He appears to be a communist hunter. Smacks of Joe McCarthyism.

[townhall.com]
[townhall.com]

Yeah, I'm sure he did his best to be impartial and fair.......

He is also a professor of political science at Grove City College with a masters from American College and a PHD from Pitt.

You liberals should loath Frank Davis. He demonized the Democrats especially Harry Truman calling him the "Hitler of Heroshima".

Regardless of Kengor's conservative credentials, the book speaks the truth, but I guess if it didn't come from Huffpo or MoveOn you're going to dismiss it anyway.




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Re: "The Communist"
Posted by: Avenger
Date: July 18, 2012 08:00PM
>>swampy, you're a conspiracy theorists<<

Stalin used to send his enemies to mental hospitals too. You are a good student.
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Re: "The Communist"
Posted by: mattkime
Date: July 18, 2012 08:02PM
>>He is also a professor of political science at Grove City College with a masters from American College and a PHD from Pitt.

Ivy tower elitism!

believe what you want swampy, but don't expect many to follow.


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Re: "The Communist"
Posted by: Dennis S
Date: July 18, 2012 08:17PM
swampy would normally get reinforcement from her Sister-in-Arms here on the forum, but she's in, uh,...Cuba.
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