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| functional autonomy is more important than abstract freedom Posted by: Ted King
Date: July 21, 2012 10:34AM
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| Re: functional autonomy is more important than abstract freedom Posted by: Manlove
Date: July 21, 2012 12:21PM
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| Re: functional autonomy is more important than abstract freedom Posted by: August West
Date: July 21, 2012 12:52PM
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| Re: functional autonomy is more important than abstract freedom Posted by: Ted King
Date: July 21, 2012 01:01PM
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| Re: functional autonomy is more important than abstract freedom Posted by: Manlove
Date: July 21, 2012 05:48PM
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| Re: functional autonomy is more important than abstract freedom Posted by: Sam3
Date: July 22, 2012 08:51PM
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Ted King
I do believe that people who use a lot of individual initiative, work hard and take risks should be rewarded with more material wealth (if that is what they want as a return for their efforts), but there are a great many reasons to limit those rewards in the kind of social, political and economic systems we have now. One of those reasons is that potential for freedom isn't as important to most people as is functional autonomy. If we don't limit the rewards due to those who work harder and take risks, there will arise a subset of those people who have so much wealth that their functional autonomy allows them to manipulate the political system so much by their influence that large swathes of the society end up with greatly diminished functional autonomy in spite of the abstract potential of freedom.
| Re: functional autonomy is more important than abstract freedom Posted by: Ted King
Date: July 23, 2012 09:43AM
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August West
I didn't outline all your points, but one that is important to me is the potential loss to society that occurs as greater numbers of people endure less functional autonomy, i.e., ideas emerging from a large segment of society are stifled because an environment that nurtures those ideas no longer exists.
| Re: functional autonomy is more important than abstract freedom Posted by: Ted King
Date: July 23, 2012 10:00AM
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Manlove
The pressure to conform is incredibly strong. Freedom in the sense of autonomy of belief and action nearly always takes a backseat to this pressure.
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Manlove
In a Capitalist system, everyone is slave to the market. Even the owners of the means of production. They are beholden to the owners of their stock. They are slaves to making money. They seem freer than the peons who work for them, who turn their labour into profit, but they are not. It is true that they have a higher level of functional autonomy than the jobless person or the wage slave, but they are still playing the conventional game. They have abnegated their freedom for comfort and stability. These people who invariably become conservative in spirit as they age (see previous reference to Churchill on this), are not free.
| Re: functional autonomy is more important than abstract freedom Posted by: Ted King
Date: July 23, 2012 10:17AM
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Sam3
I don't think the risk-takers are the ones who need their rewards limited, I would argue that the established owner of capital is the one who's rewards could be limited. The risk taker is putting it all on the line and therfore deserves the reward, but the established owner of capital is putting out little risk while enjoying a huge reward. Look at the CEO's of well-established companies, they are mostly riding along and guiding the vessel, the vessel, being so huge, won't suddently fail.
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Sam3
Then again, this also coincides with my views on copyright. I don't thinnk that the copyright should exist longer than the life of the author, if even that. Why should the family or estate keep on getting the rewards that the original risk-taker, the author, took? Let them create their own works and earn their own reward. Even limiting the copyright to a lesser period of time would motivate the author to create new works in order to keep his rewards for creating the work coming.
