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"Mr. Romney, hanging your attack on a person's slight grammatical misstep is what people do in an argument when they're completely f****d and know they have no argument."
Posted by: $tevie
Date: July 26, 2012 01:35PM
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Clearly, in his Virginia speech, President Obama was making a point about the way infrastructure supports business and the interconnectedness of the economy and government with personal success and hard work. But, you see, he accidentally said "that" at one point when he meant "those." So release the hounds.

Jon Stewart doesn't cotton to that, though: "Making a big deal out of a misstatement is a great way to win a news cycle... But this ain't a gaffe and Mitt Romney's not having a little fun with it. This deliberate misstating and misrepresentation of Obama's position is now the centerpiece of Romney's campaign."

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Re: "Mr. Romney, hanging your attack on a person's slight grammatical misstep is what people do in an argument when they're completely f****d and know they have no argument."
Posted by: Avenger
Date: July 26, 2012 01:46PM
The reason it is sticking is because he has said things in the similar vein in different flavors all his life. At every turn he is lecturing us about brothers keepers. Heck, you believe it too. The things is libs can never admit to who they are if they are going to win elections and that is why the only Democrat who win are "centrist".
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Re: "Mr. Romney, hanging your attack on a person's slight grammatical misstep is what people do in an argument when they're completely f****d and know they have no argument."
Posted by: davester
Date: July 26, 2012 01:48PM
Hey, didn't I already say that?...

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davester, in the other thread
Seeing the speech, it was obvious to me that the "that" he was referring to in "you didn't build that" was the american system, roads and bridges, etc that helped build the business. However, it also appeared that the wording got muddled so that it didn't quite come out that way. Given the preamble, it would be nonsensical to take it the way that the right wing nutosphere (including Romney's campaign ad writers) are saying it was meant...

...If the Romney campaign has to stoop to fraudulent misrepresentation of the president in order to have anything to say, then they have really reached bottom. They have nothing to stand on.



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Re: "Mr. Romney, hanging your attack on a person's slight grammatical misstep is what people do in an argument when they're completely f****d and know they have no argument."
Posted by: $tevie
Date: July 26, 2012 01:50PM
I've often thought that you should have your own show on Comedy Central, davester. winking smiley


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Re: "Mr. Romney, hanging your attack on a person's slight grammatical misstep is what people do in an argument when they're completely f****d and know they have no argument."
Posted by: mick e
Date: July 26, 2012 02:31PM
Charts don't really translate that well to television.



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Re: "Mr. Romney, hanging your attack on a person's slight grammatical misstep is what people do in an argument when they're completely f****d and know they have no argument."
Posted by: Pops
Date: July 26, 2012 02:43PM
That's why Ross Perot had such a problem.

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Re: "Mr. Romney, hanging your attack on a person's slight grammatical misstep is what people do in an argument when they're completely f****d and know they have no argument."
Posted by: davester
Date: July 26, 2012 03:01PM
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mick e
Charts don't really translate that well to television.

What are you talking about?







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Re: "Mr. Romney, hanging your attack on a person's slight grammatical misstep is what people do in an argument when they're completely f****d and know they have no argument."
Posted by: Manlove
Date: July 26, 2012 03:42PM
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davester
Hey, didn't I already say that?...

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davester, in the other thread
Seeing the speech, it was obvious to me that the "that" he was referring to in "you didn't build that" was the american system, roads and bridges, etc that helped build the business. However, it also appeared that the wording got muddled so that it didn't quite come out that way. Given the preamble, it would be nonsensical to take it the way that the right wing nutosphere (including Romney's campaign ad writers) are saying it was meant...

...If the Romney campaign has to stoop to fraudulent misrepresentation of the president in order to have anything to say, then they have really reached bottom. They have nothing to stand on.

quotes smileyYou know what they say about people who resort to quoting themselves...quotes smiley
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Re: "Mr. Romney, hanging your attack on a person's slight grammatical misstep is what people do in an argument when they're completely f****d and know they have no argument."
Posted by: Black
Date: July 26, 2012 04:43PM
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$tevie
I've often thought that you should have your own show on Comedy Central, davester. winking smiley

I nominate cbelt as sidekick.


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Re: "Mr. Romney, hanging your attack on a person's slight grammatical misstep is what people do in an argument when they're completely f****d and know they have no argument."
Posted by: August West
Date: July 26, 2012 04:49PM
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Re: "Mr. Romney, hanging your attack on a person's slight grammatical misstep is what people do in an argument when they're completely f****d and know they have no argument."
Posted by: Speedy
Date: July 27, 2012 07:59AM
I agree with what the president said exactly the way he said it. It is factual.


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Re: "Mr. Romney, hanging your attack on a person's slight grammatical misstep is what people do in an argument when they're completely f****d and know they have no argument."
Posted by: Avenger
Date: July 27, 2012 08:43AM
Which one? What he said depends where you put the comma.
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From FoxNews below th fold -- page 12
Posted by: RgrF
Date: July 28, 2012 03:07AM
My grandfather was a small business entrepreneur. He owned a clothing store in Penns Grove, New Jersey, and families came from across the southern part of the state to get slacks and blouses and jumpers for their kids. My grandfather employed two people who earned decent, middle class wages and made a good living for himself, probably upper middle class for that region.

And good for him. He worked hard and earned it.

But there were things that helped my grandfather’s business that he didn’t have to pay for. The roads trucks drove on to bring him products to sell. The court system that incorporated his business and protected the patents of what he sold. The police force that made it safe for people to shop there. The public schools that taught his employees how to read and do math, so my grandfather didn’t have to teach them. Make no mistake about it — my grandfather succeeded because of his hard work and initiative. But government played a supporting role.

By grandfather was not rich, certainly not by today’s standards. But when Ronald Reagan was president, my grandfather paid almost 50% of his income in taxes to help make sure that good public schools and safe streets and the things we all need to succeed in America would be available for the next generation. Today, hedge fund managers and big business CEOs pay lower tax rates than middle class families. In fact, the tax rate for the very wealthy is the lowest it’s been in over 60 years.

The president was clear: We succeed because of our individual initiative but also because of the public investments that help springboard that success.

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That’s right: We’re not even debating whether the wealthy should pay more than middle class workers. President Obama wants the very rich to pay the same rate as the rest of us. Those who have succeeded in our country, in part with the help of our public infrastructure, should just bury their money in off-shore accounts and loopholes. That’s un-American. Those who do well in America should do well by America — and pay their fair share of taxes so others have the same opportunity to succeed.

A lot has been made over comments made by the president last Friday to this effect. In many cases, President Obama was deliberately quoted out of context. Here is what the president actually said:

"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business. you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet. The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together."


It’s not either/or. The president was clear: We succeed because of our individual initiative but also because of the public investments that help springboard that success. Don’t believe me? Then go start a business in Pakistan or Russia. American entrepreneurs succeed in part because they’re in America. And in America, we don’t get ours and then yank away the ladder of opportunity for the next generation.

We can slash Medicare and Social Security and public schools and college grants and all of the stepping stones that poor and middle class families have historically relied on to help climb the ladder of prosperity. Or millionaires and billionaires can pay the same tax rate as the middle class.

Jerry’s Bargain Store went out of business after my grandfather died. Now people shop at a Wal-Mart instead. Wal-Mart’s CEO, like most corporate executives today, is paid mostly in stock, which is taxed at a far lower rate than income.

My grandfather built his business with his own two hands, ran it every day, paid far more than his due of taxes and never complained. He would be appalled that big business CEOs today aren’t paying near their fair share.

We should all be appalled.

Sally Kohn is a Fox News contributor and writer. You can find her online at [sallykohn.com]

Read more: [www.foxnews.com]
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Re: From FoxNews below th fold -- page 12
Posted by: $tevie
Date: July 28, 2012 03:10PM
That's a very good essay. Thanks for the link, Roger.


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Re: From FoxNews below th fold -- page 12
Posted by: Manlove
Date: July 28, 2012 03:48PM
"And in America, we don’t get ours and then yank away the ladder of opportunity for the next generation."

This.
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