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Chick-fil-A’s Brand Index score fell 40 percent
Posted by: Dennis S
Date: July 31, 2012 02:02AM
Ain't capitalism wonderful?

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Re: Chick-fil-A’s Brand Index score fell 40 percent
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: July 31, 2012 04:44AM
Moral of the story --

Practice what you preach but don't preach from the public pulpit.

While I disagree with the owner's opinion, it is his right to have it. He never made a secret of his fundamental religious convictions, why would his stance on this be a surprise to anyone. This is no different than stance's taken in the past by other business' such as @#$%& Barrel.

He can choose his belief's, I can choose mine (and I believe I'll skip eating there).


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Re: Chick-fil-A’s Brand Index score fell 40 percent
Posted by: Grateful11
Date: July 31, 2012 07:58AM
I'll continue to eat there. I admire the guy for not caving in are the sake of his business. I can tell you this it hasn't hurt
our local Chick-Fil-A. Tried to find a parking place last week and wound going through the drive thru because there
were no parking spaces. The drive thru was about 6-8 cars deep. Their food definitely a bit above your average fast
food joint. I took some pictures of people sitting and standing out in the grassy areas around the place eating if anyone
wants to see them. The place stays packed just about anytime after about 11am.

I really don't understand all the hoopla either, I mean the place is never open on Sunday that alone should tell must
people what his convictions are. Don't get me wrong if two people are in love and want to spend the rest of lives
together and happen to be of the same sex that's their business not mine. Of the people I know and are friends with
that happen to be gay they're very friendly, hard working and there's no in your face bolstering about their lives.

BTW: This person claims to have figured out the secret to how make your own Chick-Fil-A sandwich.
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Re: Chick-fil-A’s Brand Index score fell 40 percent
Posted by: rgG
Date: July 31, 2012 08:10AM
This is one of the reasons that the family doesn't take the company public. They have very strict beliefs and want to be able to support causes and run their business the way they want to.

I can't say I support their stand on this, and I think that as a businessman he should realize that this was not a good move for his business, but it is his right to speak out, if he wishes.

I don't think it will hurt their sales, long term, as the public has a pretty short collective memory, and there are a lot of people, especially in many of their core market areas, that agree with what he said.




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Re: Chick-fil-A’s Brand Index score fell 40 percent
Posted by: Pam
Date: July 31, 2012 08:22AM
The only thing that would bother me as a consumer is if the company were making donations to organizations that crossed the line. As in hate, violence, etc. But it would have to be endemic to the organization and not just a few crazies in the organization.
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Re: Chick-fil-A’s Brand Index score fell 40 percent
Posted by: billb
Date: July 31, 2012 08:25AM
How long until synagogues and mosques are unwelcome.
You certainly wouldn't want a ground zero mosque feeding the poor and spewing anti-gay rhetoric.
Hate is a powerful weapon, why target just southern chicken ?
Why nor Baptists, Muslims, Mormons and Roman Catholics while you are at it.
Just before an election would be really wise.




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Re: Chick-fil-A’s Brand Index score fell 40 percent
Posted by: mattkime
Date: July 31, 2012 08:39AM
>>I admire the guy for not caving in are the sake of his business.

yes, defending religion encoded bigotry is admirable. barf smiley


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Re: Chick-fil-A’s Brand Index score fell 40 percent
Posted by: Avenger
Date: July 31, 2012 08:54AM
Brand index? Oh yeah, we sit around the table and decide where we are going to eat based on "brand index". How pathetic.
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Re: Chick-fil-A’s Brand Index score fell 40 percent
Posted by: Wild eep
Date: July 31, 2012 09:23AM
No. Brand index is based on what we decide sitting around the table.
We don't decide based on brand index.
But you knew that.
Pathetic.
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Re: Chick-fil-A’s Brand Index score fell 40 percent
Posted by: decay
Date: July 31, 2012 09:33AM
interpretation of the BIble to one's own end.

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Re: Chick-fil-A’s Brand Index score fell 40 percent
Posted by: kanesa
Date: July 31, 2012 09:50AM
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Grateful11
Their food definitely a bit above your average fast
food joint.
I'm just curious as to why this is "better" than the average fast food. Isn't it just fried chicken on a white bun with fries?

Everyone says the owner has never been shy about talking about his views on gay marriage. Why is it this is the first time I have heard about them? He does an interview with a Christian magazine and it makes national news. Who decided to go national with this? Maybe it is because I live in Wisconsin and we don't have a lot of their restaurants here. The man has to know his comments will affect some customers choices. Maybe he didn't think it would become national news. I know the restaurants will lose some business because gay groups will target Chic-Fil-A. How many of the franchised owners will wish the owner had never opened his mouth?
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Re: Chick-fil-A’s Brand Index score fell 40 percent
Posted by: August West
Date: July 31, 2012 09:53AM
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Their food definitely a bit above your average fast
food joint.

I think Chick-fil-A ought to be concerned about their own damnation, through faint praise.
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Re: Chick-fil-A’s Brand Index score fell 40 percent
Posted by: billb
Date: July 31, 2012 10:12AM
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kanesa
Quote
Grateful11
Their food definitely a bit above your average fast
food joint.
I'm just curious as to why this is "better" than the average fast food. Isn't it just fried chicken on a white bun with fries?

Everyone says the owner has never been shy about talking about his views on gay marriage. Why is it this is the first time I have heard about them?
Because until This Administration decided the gay issue would be a great wedge issue / mask unemployment and 3 and 1/2 years of failures and miraculously "evolved" from his "former opinion" on gay marriage he shared the exact same opinion as Mr. Cathy and everyone conveniently kept their mouths shut and looked the other way.
Now the cackling hens have been released with their clucking talking points.




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Re: Chick-fil-A’s Brand Index score fell 40 percent
Posted by: graylocks
Date: July 31, 2012 10:12AM
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rgG
This is one of the reasons that the family doesn't take the company public. They have very strict beliefs and want to be able to support causes and run their business the way they want to.

I can't say I support their stand on this, and I think that as a businessman he should realize that this was not a good move for his business, but it is his right to speak out, if he wishes.

I don't think it will hurt their sales, long term, as the public has a pretty short collective memory, and there are a lot of people, especially in many of their core market areas, that agree with what he said.

i agree. i rarely go to CFA anyway as their prices are on the high side though their food IS better than typical fast food. the views of their LEADER is no surprise and it's no skin off my nose not to eat there at all.

i did hear a news mention that the CFA in Decatur (a liberal Atlanta area city) put a sign in the window saying the views of the CFA Company do not necessarily reflect the views of an individual franchise owner. guess they were getting some push back.


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Re: Chick-fil-A’s Brand Index score fell 40 percent
Posted by: decay
Date: July 31, 2012 10:15AM
reading up on Chik Fil A's hiring and screening practices, you wonder who would want to work there except for hardcore Christians or someone who wanted to appear as such?

some people sat thru 5 hours of interview... for a fast food job!

they ask very personal questions at interviews, and have been sued.

i think they try very hard not to hire non-Christians who share their views, so that they don't face lawsuits later on.

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"I tell all my people, 'I'm not working for Chick-fil-A; I'm working for the Lord.'



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Re: Chick-fil-A’s Brand Index score fell 40 percent
Posted by: $tevie
Date: July 31, 2012 10:28AM
I am also baffled as to why people are surprised. It has never been a secret that Chick-fil-A is owned by evangelical Christians.

It's family owned. It's not like a publicly owned company which has to answer to stockholders. They can say whatever they like. And I can choose to eat elsewhere.

The man has just as much right to speak his views as Jeff Bezos does. In fact, it's good that he did so we can all decide if we want to eat there or not.


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Re: Chick-fil-A’s Brand Index score fell 40 percent
Posted by: kanesa
Date: July 31, 2012 10:40AM
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billb
Because until This Administration decided the gay issue would be a great wedge issue / mask unemployment and 3 and 1/2 years of failures and miraculously "evolved" from his "former opinion" on gay marriage he shared the exact same opinion as Mr. Cathy and everyone conveniently kept their mouths shut and looked the other way.
Now the cackling hens have been released with their clucking talking points.

I really don't understand your point. It sounds like it was written by some right wing conspiracy theorist. Your first sentence is so badly written I really don't know what you are trying to say. Cackling hens????
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Re: Chick-fil-A’s Brand Index score fell 40 percent
Posted by: $tevie
Date: July 31, 2012 10:54AM
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kanesa
Quote
billb
Because until This Administration decided the gay issue would be a great wedge issue / mask unemployment and 3 and 1/2 years of failures and miraculously "evolved" from his "former opinion" on gay marriage he shared the exact same opinion as Mr. Cathy and everyone conveniently kept their mouths shut and looked the other way.
Now the cackling hens have been released with their clucking talking points.

I really don't understand your point. It sounds like it was written by some right wing conspiracy theorist. Your first sentence is so badly written I really don't know what you are trying to say. Cackling hens????

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Re: Chick-fil-A’s Brand Index score fell 40 percent
Posted by: kanesa
Date: July 31, 2012 11:02AM
Thanks, $tevie. Now I get it.
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Re: Chick-fil-A’s Brand Index score fell 40 percent
Posted by: freeradical
Date: July 31, 2012 11:05AM
Would it help if I were to add the missing commas in that sentence?
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Re: Chick-fil-A’s Brand Index score fell 40 percent
Posted by: billb
Date: July 31, 2012 11:30AM
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freeradical
Would it help if I were to add the missing commas in that sentence?

Nah, just provide 4 more blind men to touch the elephant.




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Re: Chick-fil-A’s Brand Index score fell 40 percent
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: July 31, 2012 11:37AM
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August West
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Their food definitely a bit above your average fast
food joint.

I think Chick-fil-A ought to be concerned about their own damnation, through faint praise.

Not to mention what they contribute to obesity, diabetes and heart disease.
Here's what the small version of a typical Chick-fil-A meal (no dessert) will set you back in fat, salt, sugar and calories:
[www.chick-fil-a.com]#?

This place was popular when I was in high school but I don't mind that the nearest one to me now is 500 miles away.
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Re: Chick-fil-A’s Brand Index score fell 40 percent
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: July 31, 2012 11:39AM
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$tevie

The man has just as much right to speak his views as Jeff Bezos does. In fact, it's good that he did so we can all decide if we want to eat there or not.

Yep.
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Re: Chick-fil-A’s Brand Index score fell 40 percent
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: July 31, 2012 11:47AM
Interesting take from a Mormon businessman.

God and gay marriage, what Chick-fil-A could learn from Bill Marriott
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Re: Chick-fil-A’s Brand Index score fell 40 percent
Posted by: $tevie
Date: July 31, 2012 12:06PM
Just as an FYI for some folks, Obama had an inconsistent and wavering view on marriage equality, and it did indeed tick off folks who had been under the impression he was on their side regarding civil rights for the LGBT community. Which is one reason why his finally finally unveiling an unequivocal support was seen as a major event. [thinkprogress.org]

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Up until about eight weeks ago, some gay rights activists were feeling similarly tepid about Obama, Cathcart said.

As a candidate in the last presidential election, Obama enjoyed rock star status among the gay and lesbian community. High-profile, openly gay figures such as musician Melissa Etheridge and DreamWorks SKG mogul David Geffen joined a grassroots army of supporters at campaign rallies for the Illinois senator.

But once in office, President Obama's efforts at pressing the case for gay rights were more muted, gay rights activists said. Some in the community even felt betrayed.
[www.cnn.com]

SO everyone did not give Obama a free pass for his vacillation.


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Re: Chick-fil-A’s Brand Index score fell 40 percent
Posted by: $tevie
Date: July 31, 2012 12:10PM
Also, Chick-fil-A's owner gives money to anti-LGBT organizations. So if you don't mind your money helping to support these groups, then it's okay to eat there. Some people do mind and that's their right as well.

PS: the mayor of Boston has admitted there's nothing he can do to stop Chick-fil-A from coming in. All he can do is use his position as his bully pulpit. I think banning a business from a town or campus is a bit beyond the pale, personally -- each person should make that decision on their own without politicians or administrations making it for them.


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Re: Chick-fil-A’s Brand Index score fell 40 percent
Posted by: Avenger
Date: July 31, 2012 12:31PM
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decay

some people sat thru 5 hours of interview... for a fast food job!

[/b]

That's the Obama economy for you. College graduates are settling for $10/hr jobs.
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Re: Chick-fil-A’s Brand Index score fell 40 percent
Posted by: Black
Date: July 31, 2012 12:37PM
Quote
$tevie
Just as an FYI for some folks, Obama had an inconsistent and wavering view on marriage equality, and it did indeed tick off folks who had been under the impression he was on their side regarding civil rights for the LGBT community. Which is one reason why his finally finally unveiling an unequivocal support was seen as a major event. [thinkprogress.org]

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Up until about eight weeks ago, some gay rights activists were feeling similarly tepid about Obama, Cathcart said.

As a candidate in the last presidential election, Obama enjoyed rock star status among the gay and lesbian community. High-profile, openly gay figures such as musician Melissa Etheridge and DreamWorks SKG mogul David Geffen joined a grassroots army of supporters at campaign rallies for the Illinois senator.

But once in office, President Obama's efforts at pressing the case for gay rights were more muted, gay rights activists said. Some in the community even felt betrayed.
[www.cnn.com]

SO everyone did not give Obama a free pass for his vacillation.

Not sure what the alleged "vacillation" was. Obama's anticpated championing of gay rights was largely based on fantasy rather than anything he actually said during or before the election run-up.


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Re: Chick-fil-A’s Brand Index score fell 40 percent
Posted by: $tevie
Date: July 31, 2012 01:15PM
If you read my first link you can see how back-and-forth he was on the issue.


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Re: Chick-fil-A’s Brand Index score fell 40 percent
Posted by: kanesa
Date: July 31, 2012 01:59PM
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Lemon Drop
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August West
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Their food definitely a bit above your average fast
food joint.

I think Chick-fil-A ought to be concerned about their own damnation, through faint praise.

Not to mention what they contribute to obesity, diabetes and heart disease.
Here's what the small version of a typical Chick-fil-A meal (no dessert) will set you back in fat, salt, sugar and calories:
[www.chick-fil-a.com]#?

This place was popular when I was in high school but I don't mind that the nearest one to me now is 500 miles away.

Thanks for the link. I just wanted to know why this is better than average fast food. I guess it is the taste. And when food tastes better at fast food joints it usually means lots of fat and salt. But that's okay. I'm not against going once in a while myself.
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Re: Chick-fil-A’s Brand Index score fell 40 percent
Posted by: bazookaman
Date: July 31, 2012 03:40PM
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kanesa
Quote
Lemon Drop
Quote
August West
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Their food definitely a bit above your average fast
food joint.

I think Chick-fil-A ought to be concerned about their own damnation, through faint praise.

Not to mention what they contribute to obesity, diabetes and heart disease.
Here's what the small version of a typical Chick-fil-A meal (no dessert) will set you back in fat, salt, sugar and calories:
[www.chick-fil-a.com]#?

This place was popular when I was in high school but I don't mind that the nearest one to me now is 500 miles away.

Thanks for the link. I just wanted to know why this is better than average fast food. I guess it is the taste. And when food tastes better at fast food joints it usually means lots of fat and salt. But that's okay. I'm not against going once in a while myself.

It DOES taste better than the average fast food. And it's better for you. As better for you as fast food can be anyway. But the thing I like about Chick-Fil-A is the service. I can go into ANY fast food place here in town and good god it's like you want the human working there to empty your septic tank. Or wash your car. It's like they cannot be bothered to DO THEIR JOB. Chick-Fil-A is the exact opposite. They are fast, efficient and courteous. Everyone smiles. They all say hello. It's just a very pleasant experience overall. I am constantly amazed at how fast the drive thru line that goes around the building moves at lunch time.



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Re: Chick-fil-A’s Brand Index score fell 40 percent
Posted by: Grateful11
Date: July 31, 2012 04:11PM
Quote
kanesa
Quote
Grateful11
Their food definitely a bit above your average fast
food joint.
I'm just curious as to why this is "better" than the average fast food. Isn't it just fried chicken on a white bun with fries?

Everyone says the owner has never been shy about talking about his views on gay marriage. Why is it this is the first time I have heard about them? He does an interview with a Christian magazine and it makes national news. Who decided to go national with this? Maybe it is because I live in Wisconsin and we don't have a lot of their restaurants here. The man has to know his comments will affect some customers choices. Maybe he didn't think it would become national news. I know the restaurants will lose some business because gay groups will target Chic-Fil-A. How many of the franchised owners will wish the owner had never opened his mouth?

It's far from being just a piece of fried chicken on a bun. Others have tried to copy it with little success around here.

I say if folks don't want to eat there so be it, it'll leave me more space and maybe I can find parking place.

Every one us have a has likes and dislikes, no one is perfect. I said earlier if an establishment is closed on
Sunday shouldn't that be a clue or do people need to be told, "hey this a deeply religious person with convictions
that others may or may not agree with". Has society come to point where everything must be explained to them
because they can't figure something out this simple?

BTW: You don't know that his restaurants are going to lose business they might and then again they might not.
Around here in NC after the vote we just had it might just drive more people to the place.

Personal I voted no on the recent amendment to to ban gay marriage but I was in the minority. I believe people have
the right to make decisions for themselves just like Mr. Chick-A-Fil has done.
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Re: Chick-fil-A’s Brand Index score fell 40 percent
Posted by: billb
Date: July 31, 2012 04:42PM
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Black
Quote
$tevie
Just as an FYI for some folks, Obama had an inconsistent and wavering view on marriage equality, and it did indeed tick off folks who had been under the impression he was on their side regarding civil rights for the LGBT community. Which is one reason why his finally finally unveiling an unequivocal support was seen as a major event. [thinkprogress.org]

Quote

Up until about eight weeks ago, some gay rights activists were feeling similarly tepid about Obama, Cathcart said.

As a candidate in the last presidential election, Obama enjoyed rock star status among the gay and lesbian community. High-profile, openly gay figures such as musician Melissa Etheridge and DreamWorks SKG mogul David Geffen joined a grassroots army of supporters at campaign rallies for the Illinois senator.

But once in office, President Obama's efforts at pressing the case for gay rights were more muted, gay rights activists said. Some in the community even felt betrayed.
[www.cnn.com]

SO everyone did not give Obama a free pass for his vacillation.

Not sure what the alleged "vacillation" was. Obama's anticpated championing of gay rights was largely based on fantasy rather than anything he actually said during or before the election run-up.


There was no vacillation. Obama has been for civil rights and maintained marriage should be between a man and a woman since day 1.

His change of stance is to buy votes or at least not continue to lose them.
His change of stance came, not uncoincidentally, the day after North Carolina voted to ban gay marriage. Meant to perk the younger population's disinterest in the upcoming DNC.




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Re: Chick-fil-A’s Brand Index score fell 40 percent
Posted by: Avenger
Date: July 31, 2012 05:20PM
>>They all say hello. It's just a very pleasant experience overall.<<

I love when the attractive girl says "my pleasure", when I say thank you. They all say that by the way. Must be in the manual.
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Re: Chick-fil-A’s Brand Index score fell 40 percent
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: July 31, 2012 05:25PM
We're talking about fast food restaurants.
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Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: July 31, 2012 05:54PM
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billb
There was no vacillation. Obama has been for civil rights and maintained marriage should be between a man and a woman since day 1.

His change of stance is to buy votes or at least not continue to lose them.
His change of stance came, not uncoincidentally, the day after North Carolina voted to ban gay marriage. Meant to perk the younger population's disinterest in the upcoming DNC.

bill I believe the opposite to be true. Neither of us can know with certainty because we can't read the man's mind. Only he knows. Back in 1996 Obama signed a statement saying: : “I favor legalizing same sex marriages, and would fight efforts to prohibit such marriages.”

He backed away from that in the '08 campaign. Taking a marriage equality stand then probably would have cost him the election.
I think that in the context of all of his other positions and his background, it makes more sense that he has always supported gay marriage, but didn't admit it earlier for political reasons. Yes that is hypocritical, but I think that's how it went.
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Posted by: Black
Date: July 31, 2012 07:05PM
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Lemon Drop
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billb
There was no vacillation. Obama has been for civil rights and maintained marriage should be between a man and a woman since day 1.

His change of stance is to buy votes or at least not continue to lose them.
His change of stance came, not uncoincidentally, the day after North Carolina voted to ban gay marriage. Meant to perk the younger population's disinterest in the upcoming DNC.

bill I believe the opposite to be true. Neither of us can know with certainty because we can't read the man's mind. Only he knows. Back in 1996 Obama signed a statement saying: : “I favor legalizing same sex marriages, and would fight efforts to prohibit such marriages.”

He backed away from that in the '08 campaign. Taking a marriage equality stand then probably would have cost him the election.
I think that in the context of all of his other positions and his background, it makes more sense that he has always supported gay marriage, but didn't admit it earlier for political reasons. Yes that is hypocritical, but I think that's how it went.

Dunno . . . that Obama's a pretty indecisive guy. Don't you think maybe some days he just wakes up thinking gay marriage is a good idea, and other days thinking it's a bad idea?


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Re: Chick-fil-A’s Brand Index score fell 40 percent
Posted by: $tevie
Date: July 31, 2012 07:10PM
I really believe that when Obama was alone in a room contemplating his feelings about the matter that he truly did not know what they were.

I also believe that his position has evolved as time has passed, just as he said recently.

I also believe that at certain points in time he made statements that he should not have not have made, perhaps because he knew that "I dunno" doesn't fly as a political position -- statements which I would have to consider untrue as far as his actual inclinations went. But I think he has redeemed himself these last few months.


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Re: Chick-fil-A’s Brand Index score fell 40 percent
Posted by: $tevie
Date: July 31, 2012 07:17PM
And folks, please, do me a favor and have a look at this link I posted earlier before telling me that Obama has never wavered. I didn't post it for my health. This is a year old so of course we know how it will end.
[thinkprogress.org]

Reader's Digest Condensed Version:
1996 – SUPPORTS MARRIAGE EQUALITY
1998 – UNDECIDED ON MARRIAGE
2004 – LESS CONCERNED ABOUT ‘MARRIAGE’
2006–2007 – SUPPORTS CIVIL UNIONS
2008 (February) – SUPPORTS DOMA REPEAL
2008 (August) – OPPOSES MARRIAGE
2009 – SUPPORTS CIVIL UNIONS
2010 (May) – SUPPORTS DOMA REPEAL
2010 (October) – EVOLVING ON MARRIAGE
2011 (February) – GRAPPLING WITH MARRIAGE
2011 (May) – NO MENTION OF COUPLES
2011 (June 17) OPPOSED MARRIAGE IN 1996?
2011 (June 19) YES HE SIGNED IT, NO HE DIDN’T SUPPORT MARRIAGE
2011 (June 20) STILL EVOLVING ON MARRIAGE


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Re: Chick-fil-A’s Brand Index score fell 40 percent
Posted by: decay
Date: July 31, 2012 08:28PM
scenario:

a Muslim-owned food chain is very careful not to hire Christian employees, unless they are agreeable or soft on Islam.

they donate money to causes that support the spread of Islam, and the suppression of Christianity.

would you support them? do they have a right to run a business like this, in America?

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First Amendment of the US Constitution
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

or does free exercise of religion only apply to those who believe in YOUR God ( or G-d ) ?

do you think Christians would raise a stink? do you think Conservative Radio would claim America is going down the toilet, accuse Obama, etc.?

it's funny how the 'persecuted' Christians get away with what other religions do not.
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Re: Chick-fil-A’s Brand Index score fell 40 percent
Posted by: Mac-A-Matic
Date: August 01, 2012 08:13AM
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decay
it's funny how the 'persecuted' Christians get away with what other religions do not.

Perhaps that's due to the country being significantly Christian?

And 'persecuted' Jews are essentially untouchable in this nation.
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Re: Chick-fil-A’s Brand Index score fell 40 percent
Posted by: Mac-A-Matic
Date: August 01, 2012 08:22AM
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$tevie
And folks, please, do me a favor and have a look at this link I posted earlier before telling me that Obama has never wavered. I didn't post it for my health. This is a year old so of course we know how it will end.
[thinkprogress.org]

Reader's Digest Condensed Version:
1996 – SUPPORTS MARRIAGE EQUALITY
1998 – UNDECIDED ON MARRIAGE
2004 – LESS CONCERNED ABOUT ‘MARRIAGE’
2006–2007 – SUPPORTS CIVIL UNIONS
2008 (February) – SUPPORTS DOMA REPEAL
2008 (August) – OPPOSES MARRIAGE
2009 – SUPPORTS CIVIL UNIONS
2010 (May) – SUPPORTS DOMA REPEAL
2010 (October) – EVOLVING ON MARRIAGE
2011 (February) – GRAPPLING WITH MARRIAGE
2011 (May) – NO MENTION OF COUPLES
2011 (June 17) OPPOSED MARRIAGE IN 1996?
2011 (June 19) YES HE SIGNED IT, NO HE DIDN’T SUPPORT MARRIAGE
2011 (June 20) STILL EVOLVING ON MARRIAGE


In 2008, Obama came out with strong support for gays because it was prescient for him to do so. They represented a good voting block, made him look chic and in-touch, and helped him to win the election.

But since that time, Obama did not take a strong stance on anything GLBT (at least that's what my GLBT friends are riled up about) and essentially dropped his campaign promises to their community.

Someone suggested that if Obama had been strong on gay marriage then he might have lost the election. Okay, maybe you play a little to the right and don't take a strong position on gay marriage in order to win the office where you can do some good and bring equality for all under the law.

However, once Obama had the power and the Dems had Congress: nothing. Being black, I don't see how Obama cannot see the persecution inherent in the law - especially since blacks were barred from marrying whites until recently (1960s).

I've long been a supporter of gay marriage. But this is a president who has really been unwilling to stand up and be counted for just about anything. It took the Osama Bin Laden killing before the president didn't seem apologetic or meek about an issue. And since I don't wear the blinders of the liberal faithful - so far, Obama has been quite disappointing as a president.
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Posted by: August West
Date: August 01, 2012 09:16AM
Between the persecuted jews, chic gays, the blacks, and liberal nonsense, you show a keen understanding of a multicultural world!
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Re: Chick-fil-A’s Brand Index score fell 40 percent
Posted by: Ted King
Date: August 01, 2012 10:35AM
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Mac-A-Matic

I've long been a supporter of gay marriage. But this is a president who has really been unwilling to stand up and be counted for just about anything. It took the Osama Bin Laden killing before the president didn't seem apologetic or meek about an issue. And since I don't wear the blinders of the liberal faithful - so far, Obama has been quite disappointing as a president.

There a quite a few liberals that are equally disappointed in Obama's civil rights record in general (though there are a few things he's done with civil rights that I applaud). You can find postings of mine in this forum where I say so and I'm far from the only liberal in this forum that feels that way.
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Re: Chick-fil-A’s Brand Index score fell 40 percent
Posted by: Mac-A-Matic
Date: August 01, 2012 10:44AM
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August West
Between the persecuted jews, chic gays, the blacks, and liberal nonsense, you show a keen understanding of a multicultural world!

Obviously better than your Tea Party small mindedness.
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Re: Chick-fil-A’s Brand Index score fell 40 percent
Posted by: Mac-A-Matic
Date: August 01, 2012 10:48AM
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Ted King

There a quite a few liberals that are equally disappointed in Obama's civil rights record in general (though there are a few things he's done with civil rights that I applaud). You can find postings of mine in this forum where I say so and I'm far from the only liberal in this forum that feels that way.

It's disappointing. I expected Obama to be a stronger president, not one who seems to worry constantly what everyone thinks of his position and decisions.
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Re: Chick-fil-A’s Brand Index score fell 40 percent
Posted by: $tevie
Date: August 01, 2012 11:01AM
I've been disappointed by Obama as well, in some areas. I don't personally know anyone who has these famous liberal blinders on that everyone loves to talk about, or the Messiah thing, or the Rainbows and Unicorn thing.

I have never understood why people felt compelled to deride the optimism and enthusiasm that was displayed when Obama was elected. It's like it's a crime in this country to be excited about something that isn't Hollywood-related.

In any event, there's lots of things that lots of us wish Obama had handled differently. But it sure as hell isn't going to make me jump ship for anyone the GOP has proffered.


"Stop thinking about art works as objects, and start thinking about them as triggers for experiences." ~ Brian Eno
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Re: Chick-fil-A’s Brand Index score fell 40 percent
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: August 01, 2012 11:06AM
I think it's odd to criticize Obama for not doing enough for gay rights when he's done more than any previous President and has actually exceeded his campaign stances. DADT is gone, DOMA is not defended by the DOJ, and the President now says he supports gay marriage, which is a state issue. There are 30 or so other accomplishments that you can read at barack obama dot com if you're interested.
He's not going to get DOMA reversed with a Republican Congress, the best he can do is not defend it in court.
DOJ is also fighting various state attempts to reduce voting rights. I think under a Republican administration we can expect that situation to get worse.

Where he's a civil libertarian's nightmare is in the area of national security. He's codified and normalized the national security state that was born post 9/11, under Bush/Cheney. He has far more power than they did. It's interesting that Republicans (or people who don't want to see the President re-elected, I won't label you) don't want to discuss that too much, because it takes away what is supposed to be one of their calling cards: national security.
While I don't like the direction our nation has taken on civil liberties with regards to national security, that gives me no reason to vote for Mitt Romney who would do more of the same, right?
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Re: Chick-fil-A’s Brand Index score fell 40 percent
Posted by: $tevie
Date: August 01, 2012 03:17PM
Back to Chick-fil-A:

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Chick-fil-A: 5 Reasons It Isn't What You Think
...if you're standing in line waiting for your chicken sandwich and waffle fries, why not take a moment to learn about what Chick-fil-A really does, and -- even if you're opposed to same-sex marriage -- what your money is buying.

[www.huffingtonpost.com]


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Re: Chick-fil-A’s Brand Index score fell 40 percent
Posted by: $tevie
Date: August 01, 2012 03:22PM
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decay
interpretation of the BIble to one's own end.

Forgot to say: this is quite good!


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