"Sources" are really chatty today.
[news.yahoo.com]


But experts said today that Holmes' departure should have been a red alert.
"You know, I think that's the signal that you should intensify your efforts, not walk away," said Barry Spodak, a threat assessment expert. "Under those circumstances, most well-trained threat assessment teams would have gone into action."

I wonder if he's a certified licensed Threat Assessment Expert? Has he kept his membership in the American Threat Assessment Expert's Association current?

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They probably showed his picture to the campus cops and gave instructions to pepper spray him if they saw him.

Everyone sees the red flags on Monday.

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I wonder if he's a certified licensed Threat Assessment Expert? Has he kept his membership in the American Threat Assessment Expert's Association current?

He's pretty well versed in this stuff, I think.
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More details in the local paper, if anyone is interested.

[www.denverpost.com]

Whether this psychiatrist, and/or the university, met their federally mandated responsibility to report him to police hinges on what Holmes told her.
That isn't known yet. Only that she had serious concerns, but the university apparently dropped it.

All interesting. Nothing here lessens the culpability of the killer. Nothing changes the fact that different gun laws might have also led to a different outcome.
Just another facet.
Good to keep in mind that mental health professionals take steps every day that keep individuals safe from themselves and keep others safe. When people fall through the cracks, it's good to understand what happened. That's not scapegoating. Learn, move ahead.

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When people fall through the cracks, it's good to understand what happened. That's not scapegoating. Learn, move ahead.

What's the takeaway here? Should there be some sort of additional reporting requirement to outside agencies?

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When people fall through the cracks, it's good to understand what happened. That's not scapegoating. Learn, move ahead.

What's the takeaway here? Should there be some sort of additional reporting requirement to outside agencies?

I don't think there's a takeaway until the facts are all in. There is a reporting requirement, no reporting to outside authorities was done in this case.

What do you think?



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Here's a link to the full list of state Tarasoff laws. note that in Colorado reporting is mandatory, and threatened victims can include "the general public," some states require it to be a specific person or persons.

Tarasoff was the case in California, from the 70's, that led to the introduction of state laws requiring health professionals and social workers or staff to report certain threats made by their patients or clients.

[papers.ssrn.com]

COLORADO
Type: Mandatory
Citation: Conn. Gen. Stat. § 52-146c
Effective Year: 1987
Deciding Body: State Legislation
Professional(s) Named: A physician, social worker, psychiatric nurse, psychologist, or other
mental health professional and a mental health hospital, community mental health center or
clinic, institution, or their staff
Standard of Threat: Serious threat of imminent physical violence
Standard of Victim: Specific person or persons (extended to general public in Perreira v State,
768 P.2d 1198 (1989)).
Parties Warned: Any person or persons specifically threatened, as well as notifying an
appropriate law enforcement agency
Notes: See Johnson (1991)3 for an analysis of Perreira.

I told you all this a week or so ago. The University is currently denying any culpability, but I think once all the facts are out (IF they are ever out), it will turn out that they knew full well that he might pose a danger to himself or others, and did nothing about it.

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I told you all this a week or so ago. The University is currently denying any culpability, but I think once all the facts are out (IF they are ever out), it will turn out that they knew full well that he might pose a danger to himself or others, and did nothing about it.

There is no evidence that the university has any culpability at this point. There is no evidence that there is anything additional that they would have been expected to do, or had cause to do. We don't know the exact reason for the doc and committee's concern.

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When people fall through the cracks, it's good to understand what happened. That's not scapegoating. Learn, move ahead.

What's the takeaway here? Should there be some sort of additional reporting requirement to outside agencies?

I don't think there's a takeaway until the facts are all in. There is a reporting requirement, no reporting to outside authorities was done in this case.

What do you think?

Dunno... "Learn, move ahead" sounded like you were going somewhere specific or as usual had much deeper insight and access to a greater wealth of information than the rest of us poor slobs-- thought you might be willing to educate us.

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Dunno... "Learn, move ahead" sounded like you were going somewhere specific or as usual had much deeper insight and access to a greater wealth of information than the rest of us poor slobs-- thought you might be willing to educate us.

To me, it seems you have been somewhat negative and unwilling to speculate about this situation, and I do respect that opinion, however, to be honest, from the tenor of your posts I felt you had knowledge and experience that would give everyone a learning opportunity, even if there was disagreement.

I don't think it would be harmful if you gave those less knowledgeable the benefit of your considered opinion of the topic.

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I wonder if he's a certified licensed Threat Assessment Expert? Has he kept his membership in the American Threat Assessment Expert's Association current?

He's pretty well versed in this stuff, I think.
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I told you all this a week or so ago. The University is currently denying any culpability, but I think once all the facts are out (IF they are ever out), it will turn out that they knew full well that he might pose a danger to himself or others, and did nothing about it.

There is no evidence that the university has any culpability at this point. There is no evidence that there is anything additional that they would have been expected to do, or had cause to do. We don't know the exact reason for the doc and committee's concern.

Apparently, when he quit, the university decided that they had no responsibility to him or others at that point. Legally, they may be culpable for knowing that he posed a threat, and not reporting it. If not held criminally negligent, they may be held responsible in a civil proceeding.

Sources:

[www.reuters.com]
[www.gsnmagazine.com]

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