Missourians will vote next week on a state constitutional amendment nicknamed "Right To Pray. " It's expected to pass.

Supporters think the 1st Amendment just doesn't cut it for them, they need more.
Basically it brings back organized school prayer, but takes it much further. Students could also not be required to do any assignment that infringes on or disagrees with their personal religious beliefs.
I guess Biology class is pretty much over in Missouri.

The proposal:
[www.sos.mo.gov]

Against it:
[www.au.org]

For it:
[www.voteyesamendment2.com]

When did the Taliban start controlling the fundamentalist Christians?

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They've outlawed gay marriage and gay rights in this state so they need something new to get out the base. James Dobson and Ralph Reed have just the thing! Right to Pray! Who could be against that?

Dobson subsidiary "Missouri Family" is behind the amendment. Here's some costs savings for the state right here on their website. Teach math, sex ed, biology, and Sunday School in one simple cartoon:
(although I'm not sure how this position would work out)



[www.missourifamily.org]

What a bunch of idiots!
All of 'em.

Christian Sharia law. And people don't see what that portends.

We'll see what happens the first time an elementary teacher who is into Wicca has the children gather in a circle and casts spells on each of them. Followed by the Pledge of Allegiance, of course.

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They've outlawed gay marriage and gay rights in this state so they need something new to get out the base. James Dobson and Ralph Reed have just the thing! Right to Pray! Who could be against that?

Dobson subsidiary "Missouri Family" is behind the amendment. Here's some costs savings for the state right here on their website. Teach math, sex ed, biology, and Sunday School in one simple cartoon:
(although I'm not sure how this position would work out)



[www.missourifamily.org]

It is a depiction of safe sex.

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just wait til the kids start praying to SATAN or CTHULHU...

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so a man and a woman joining together produces an intersexed child. fuzzy math if you ask me...

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so a man and a woman joining together produces an intersexed child. fuzzy math if you ask me...

I wasn't even going to try and figure that one out.

Lord, save me from your followers

They can pray themselves back to the 14th Century for all I care, just so long as nothing they do or say ever affects me or my family. If they cannot prove that they will not cause any detriment to me then they should not be able to change their laws. It's that whole trickle down nibbling away at rights thing that Cbelt was going on about a week or so ago! Once one right gets eroded, then the rest are likely to follow.
My right not to have to listen to, or in any way to be affected by, complete and utter morons seems to have been put in jeopardy. Stop this willful destruction of American morality and restore my rights at once!

Screw it. You have no rights, you're an alien resident and a Brit to boot.

(for whatever reason the powers that be felt a need for an Oz flag and since it incorporates the Union Jack it'll just have to suffice. Canucks apparently don't count at all when it comes to MR emoticons. )

Many's the time that I almost used that emoticon, but I just couldn't bring myself to do it!
(But my daughter and wife are 'Muricans so I'll post this one for them... )

I'm OK with a short time of silence for those who want to pray, or those who want to meditate, or just have some quiet time for thoughts.

no mandatory prayers... against the 1st Amendment of the Constitution.

With reference to all the parts that ostensibly would make it legal for there to public school activities where some people must listen to other people individually and collectively express prayer - if God knows what's in the hearts and minds of the prayer speakers then it isn't for him that the prayers are felt to be needed to be said in those settings. Public prayers in those settings are for social purposes. If the public school sanctions the activity of which the prayer is a part, then the school is sanctioning those religious social purposes.

With reference to the parts that ostensibly are there to allow students to express their religious beliefs in assignments (and, I presume, class discussions) and opt out of assignments they think go against their beliefs - what a friggin nightmare that one would be for teacher to try to do. The unintended consequences of those parts would be large in scope and intensity.



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long division is a tool of the devil!

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so a man and a woman joining together produces an intersexed child. fuzzy math if you ask me...

'Depends what you're drinking.

I don't see this amendment surviving a court challenge. Which is all the more reason the state shouldn't be wasting resources on stuff like this. Missouri lags the nation is nearly every measure of economic well-being, low educational attainment of its citizens being of primary concern.

Moves like this are simply steps in the wrong direction.

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Ack, since the Ohio River runs into the Mississippi River, downstream of that confluence there must be a LOT of toxic effluence.

The same people who think teachers and their unions are so terrible would like to entrust their children's early experiences with faith to them? How can they be sure the teachers won't twist the prayers around to encourage their evil liberal agendas? Or worse yet, what if one of those teachers starts reading the Sermon on the Mount and some kid finds out that her divorced parents are fornicators? Or that God loves those lazy-ass poor people? All hell could break loose if you let teachers near your children's religious education.

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The same people who think teachers and their unions are so terrible would like to entrust their children's early experiences with faith to them? How can they be sure the teachers won't twist the prayers around to encourage their evil liberal agendas? Or worse yet, what if one of those teachers starts reading the Sermon on the Mount and some kid finds out that her divorced parents are fornicators? Or that God loves those lazy-ass poor people? All hell could break loose if you let teachers near your children's religious education.

They don't think about that. Bringing religion into school is about indoctrinating other people's children, not theirs.

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I'm OK with a short time of silence for those who want to pray, or those who want to meditate, or just have some quiet time for thoughts.

And there's no law in this country that prevents that. Kids can pray in school all day long if they like.

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I'm OK with a short time of silence for those who want to pray, or those who want to meditate, or just have some quiet time for thoughts.

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I'm OK with a short time of silence for those who want to pray, or those who want to meditate, or just have some quiet time for thoughts.

And there's no law in this country that prevents that. Kids can pray in school all day long if they like.

exactly.

no atheists in foxholes or trig finals.

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so a man and a woman joining together produces an intersexed child. fuzzy math if you ask me...

I wasn't even going to try and figure that one out.

It's called 'pegging.' You could google it, but i'd keep SafeSearch ON.

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no atheists in foxholes or trig finals.

And often... in Bed !


Penny: Oh God.
Sheldon: "Oh God." That I've heard on multiple occasions.