In Soviet Russia...

Well, there's no real question about whether they committed a crime. They could have been arrested for doing what they did had they done it in the U.S. But they sure as hell wouldn't get two years in a prison work camp for it. They'd get tickets.

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Well, there's no real question about whether they committed a crime. They could have been arrested for doing what they did had they done it in the U.S. But they sure as hell wouldn't get two years in a prison work camp for it. They'd get tickets.

Tickets for singing for 30 seconds on the sidewalk in front of a church and then leaving when church officials asked them to go?

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Well, there's no real question about whether they committed a crime. They could have been arrested for doing what they did had they done it in the U.S. But they sure as hell wouldn't get two years in a prison work camp for it. They'd get tickets.

Tickets for singing for 30 seconds on the sidewalk in front of a church and then leaving when church officials asked them to go?

They weren't on the sidewalk, they were inside the church at the altar. The did leave when asked, but you could be ticketed for being a public nuisance in the U.S. for doing what they did.

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rj
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Vreemac, Moth of the Future

They were clearly guilty, but the punishment does NOT fit the crime. In this country you could shoot someone in the head and get a lesser sentence...

And did you hear the music on the youtube video they posted? OMG... what a crime! The worst music I've ever heard!!

I get the idea that Putin has really screwed it up this time... the people ain't liking this at all!



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They weren't on the sidewalk, they were inside the church at the altar. The did leave when asked, but you could be ticketed for being a public nuisance in the U.S. for doing what they did.

'Didn't realize that it was inside of the church.

Either way, they left when they were asked to leave.

Then arrested weeks later, only after the video became popular.

What crime do you suppose they'd have been ticketed for in the United States? Performing without a license? Because "public nuisance" requires the continuous and unreasonable disruption of a large class of people in most jurisdictions and a 30 second song wouldn't cut it.



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They weren't on the sidewalk, they were inside the church at the altar. The did leave when asked, but you could be ticketed for being a public nuisance in the U.S. for doing what they did.

'Didn't realize that it was inside of the church.

Either way, they left when they were asked to leave.

Then arrested weeks later, only after the video became popular.

What crime do you suppose they'd have been ticketed for in the United States? Performing without a license? Because "public nuisance" requires the continuous and unreasonable disruption of a large class of people in most jurisdictions and a 30 second song wouldn't cut it.

Probably disturbing the peace, which is the vaguest of citations, but hard to defend against. It also tends to carry the lowest penalties (a small, simple fine). It's basically a "bad dog - don't do that" smack on the nose with a newspaper ticket.

Let me be ABSOLUTELY CLEAR that i am not defending ANYTHING about how this was handled in Russia. Period. That is not what any of my comments have been about.

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Vreemac, Moth of the Future

Disorderly conduct.

Just so we are all on the same page, here is the performance in question:
[www.youtube.com]

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"Stop thinking about art works as objects, and start thinking about them as triggers for experiences." ~ Brian Eno

There was a long list of charges - some sounded more like reprimands. The judge rambled for THREE HOURS during sentencing... it was the prototypical kangaroo court...

symbolic court result for symbolic hooliganism



in 30 days Putin can put on a nice guy shirt for some Putin Theatre and let them out.
Maybe get a promise to stop "singing".

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Kooper's Flute Thing cover

[www.freethegrapes.org]

norwegian wood reality TV

[www.youtube.com]

What happened to the rest of the band and what were the lyrics?

It's warm enough for some healthy visually aided FEMEN solidarity as well.

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Kooper's Flute Thing cover

[www.freethegrapes.org]

norwegian wood reality TV

[www.youtube.com]

Don't know the lyrics, but the whole point of the event was to cast light on the fact that the Russian Orthodox Church hierarchy seems to be another Putin puppet - they are openly calling for Putin's re-election. At least that's @#$%& Riot's complaint - I'm not speaking from my own observations.

Haven't the citizens of the Russia learnt not to mess with a KGB (there is no such a thing as an ex-KGB) especially one who is the president of their nation?

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What happened to the rest of the band and what were the lyrics?

The lyrics are on their web site: "Virgin Mary, Put Putin Away"
[freepussyriot.org]
I'm not posting them here because some people may find them offensive.

I'm a little confused as to the personnel of the band and why they weren't all arrested.
[www.swissinfo.ch]

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I'm a little confused as to the personnel of the band and why they weren't all arrested.
[www.swissinfo.ch]

It's starting to look a bit like Anonymous.

...And that makes sense. With the proliferation of government spy-cameras, interception of phone calls, collection of Internet traffic, GPS-tracking and other invasive practices of just about every government out there, the best way to have a voice without being persecuted may well be to turn off your cell phone and don a mask in a crowd of other masked people when you go out in public.



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Don't know the lyrics, but the whole point of the event was to cast light on the fact that the Russian Orthodox Church hierarchy seems to be another Putin puppet - they are openly calling for Putin's re-election. At least that's @#$%& Riot's complaint - I'm not speaking from my own observations.

Thanks goodness we have separation of Church and State.

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Thanks goodness we have separation of Church and State.

When did that start? How come I didn't get the memo?

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They weren't on the sidewalk, they were inside the church at the altar. The did leave when asked, but you could be ticketed for being a public nuisance in the U.S. for doing what they did.

'Didn't realize that it was inside of the church.

Either way, they left when they were asked to leave.

Then arrested weeks later, only after the video became popular.

What crime do you suppose they'd have been ticketed for in the United States? Performing without a license? Because "public nuisance" requires the continuous and unreasonable disruption of a large class of people in most jurisdictions and a 30 second song wouldn't cut it.

Protesters interrupt church service and throw blood on carpet (and spatter churchgoers) in Chicago:
[articles.chicagotribune.com]

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Don't know the lyrics, but the whole point of the event was to cast light on the fact that the Russian Orthodox Church hierarchy seems to be another Putin puppet - they are openly calling for Putin's re-election. At least that's @#$%& Riot's complaint - I'm not speaking from my own observations.

Thanks goodness we have separation of Church and State.

At least until President Romney makes a couple more SCOTUS appointments.

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ignore this post - I decided to take back what I said



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