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Annals of the Police State....
Posted by: max
Date: April 21, 2017 06:13AM
The new broom is even better than the old broom,
the organs of the Police State found a way to beat the first Amendment....

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US authorities have prepared charges to seek the arrest of WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, US officials familiar with the matter tell CNN.

The Justice Department investigation of Assange and WikiLeaks dates to at least 2010, when the site first gained wide attention for posting thousands of files stolen by the former US Army intelligence analyst now known as Chelsea Manning.
Prosecutors have struggled with whether the First Amendment precluded the prosecution of Assange, but now believe they have found a way to move forward.
During President Barack Obama's administration, Attorney General Eric Holder and officials at the Justice Department determined it would be difficult to bring charges against Assange because WikiLeaks wasn't alone in publishing documents stolen by Manning. Several newspapers, including The New York Times, did as well. The investigation continued, but any possible charges were put on hold, according to US officials involved in the process then.
Going after Assange
The US view of WikiLeaks and Assange began to change after investigators found what they believe was proof that WikiLeaks played an active role in helping Edward Snowden, a former NSA analyst, disclose a massive cache of classified documents.

Assange was right, the minute the Swedes get their slimy hands on him, he gets packed into a sardine can.....
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Re: Annals of the Police State....
Posted by: Onamuji
Date: April 21, 2017 06:29AM
It would be an interesting twist if they stooged for Russia to put the greasy red troll in office and then got prosecuted because of his disrespect for civil liberties.



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Re: Annals of the Police State....
Posted by: Pam
Date: April 21, 2017 07:15AM
After Manning, Wikileaks was definitely Russian driven. May have been all along. Assange fully participated in recruiting Snowden and setting up plans with Russia and Ecuador to get Snowden to Ecuador via Cuba. Which occurred before Snowden took anything. Given Snowden's lack of knowledge of the info he was taking, someone inside or outside gave him direction. Wikileaks even moved their servers to Russia and gave the operator, a Russian hacker, the SSL keys.

You can't claim to be acting as a journalist and claim first amendment rights when you're a spy working for Putin.
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Re: Annals of the Police State....
Posted by: billb
Date: April 21, 2017 07:17AM
Yet hillary still walks around not in prison orange.



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Re: Annals of the Police State....
Posted by: Speedy
Date: April 21, 2017 07:29AM
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billb
Yet hillary still walks around not in prison orange.

Because they both had computers that contained classified materials? One making it public and the other not?



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Re: Annals of the Police State....
Posted by: Pam
Date: April 21, 2017 08:04AM
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Speedy
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billb
Yet hillary still walks around not in prison orange.

Because they both had computers that contained classified materials? One making it public and the other not?

One working for Russia and one not?
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Re: Annals of the Police State....
Posted by: $tevie
Date: April 21, 2017 09:34AM
Assange's problem is he can't stop running his yap. He gave up the mantle of Whistle Blower some time ago with his never ending declarations of wanting to get Clinton indicted, wanting to take down Google, wanting to undermine US foreign policy; his empty claims that he was going to release secrets of China and Russia, that he was going to help tech companies increase security, that he would return to the US if Chelsea Manning was pardoned. He is going to have a tough time making this about the First Amendment when he has given the government a boatload of quotes about his ulterior motives. We may also find out that Assange got himself too embroiled with Russia to be able to wriggle out under Free Speech. He should have stayed away from being a blowhard.



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Re: Annals of the Police State....
Posted by: pdq
Date: April 21, 2017 12:57PM
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Onamuji
It would be an interesting twist if they stooged for Russia to put the greasy red troll in office...

Exactly! Where's the gratitude?
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Re: Annals of the Police State....
Posted by: Onamuji
Date: April 21, 2017 05:34PM
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$tevie
Assange's problem is he can't stop running his yap. He gave up the mantle of Whistle Blower some time ago with his never ending declarations of wanting to get Clinton indicted, wanting to take down Google, wanting to undermine US foreign policy; his empty claims that he was going to release secrets of China and Russia, that he was going to help tech companies increase security, that he would return to the US if Chelsea Manning was pardoned. He is going to have a tough time making this about the First Amendment when he has given the government a boatload of quotes about his ulterior motives.

Ummm...

No.

Nothing in the First Amendment, nor any modern precedent says that free expression must be free of personality or political intent. (In fact, political speech is vital to democracy.)

Newspapers often "take up the mantle" of a cause. There's a proud history of this in the editorial section of every major newspaper. It does not demean the institution to take up a cause, nor does it in any way revoke their First Amendment protections.







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Re: Annals of the Police State....
Posted by: Pam
Date: April 21, 2017 07:01PM
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Onamuji
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$tevie
Assange's problem is he can't stop running his yap. He gave up the mantle of Whistle Blower some time ago with his never ending declarations of wanting to get Clinton indicted, wanting to take down Google, wanting to undermine US foreign policy; his empty claims that he was going to release secrets of China and Russia, that he was going to help tech companies increase security, that he would return to the US if Chelsea Manning was pardoned. He is going to have a tough time making this about the First Amendment when he has given the government a boatload of quotes about his ulterior motives.

Ummm...

No.

Nothing in the First Amendment, nor any modern precedent says that free expression must be free of personality or political intent. (In fact, political speech is vital to democracy.)

Newspapers often "take up the mantle" of a cause. There's a proud history of this in the editorial section of every major newspaper. It does not demean the institution to take up a cause, nor does it in any way revoke their First Amendment protections.

You missed her point about motives. This will not be a first amendment case. His own words, empty promises were an attempt at cover.
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Re: Annals of the Police State....
Posted by: Onamuji
Date: April 22, 2017 04:04PM
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Pam
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Onamuji
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$tevie
Assange's problem is he can't stop running his yap. He gave up the mantle of Whistle Blower some time ago with his never ending declarations of wanting to get Clinton indicted, wanting to take down Google, wanting to undermine US foreign policy; his empty claims that he was going to release secrets of China and Russia, that he was going to help tech companies increase security, that he would return to the US if Chelsea Manning was pardoned. He is going to have a tough time making this about the First Amendment when he has given the government a boatload of quotes about his ulterior motives.

Ummm...

No.

Nothing in the First Amendment, nor any modern precedent says that free expression must be free of personality or political intent. (In fact, political speech is vital to democracy.)

Newspapers often "take up the mantle" of a cause. There's a proud history of this in the editorial section of every major newspaper. It does not demean the institution to take up a cause, nor does it in any way revoke their First Amendment protections.

You missed her point about motives. This will not be a first amendment case. His own words, empty promises were an attempt at cover.

It's totally a First Amendment case and political motives whether stated or implied do not make it any less so.

Quite the contrary.

Think about it... The editorial section of a newspaper hosts several columnists who make no bones about their dislike for the sitting president and they publish embarrassing leaks from his staffers. Have they forfeited their First Amendment protections by acknowledging that the ultimate goal is to see him impeached? ...An artist designs an intricate flag for rallies at the Capital where people try to influence the outcome of the next House race. Is it not art?

Working towards political change makes it more vitally protected speech, not less.







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Re: Annals of the Police State....
Posted by: Pam
Date: April 22, 2017 05:58PM
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Onamuji
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Pam
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Onamuji
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$tevie
Assange's problem is he can't stop running his yap. He gave up the mantle of Whistle Blower some time ago with his never ending declarations of wanting to get Clinton indicted, wanting to take down Google, wanting to undermine US foreign policy; his empty claims that he was going to release secrets of China and Russia, that he was going to help tech companies increase security, that he would return to the US if Chelsea Manning was pardoned. He is going to have a tough time making this about the First Amendment when he has given the government a boatload of quotes about his ulterior motives.

Ummm...

No.

Nothing in the First Amendment, nor any modern precedent says that free expression must be free of personality or political intent. (In fact, political speech is vital to democracy.)

Newspapers often "take up the mantle" of a cause. There's a proud history of this in the editorial section of every major newspaper. It does not demean the institution to take up a cause, nor does it in any way revoke their First Amendment protections.

You missed her point about motives. This will not be a first amendment case. His own words, empty promises were an attempt at cover.

It's totally a First Amendment case and political motives whether stated or implied do not make it any less so.

Quite the contrary.

Think about it... The editorial section of a newspaper hosts several columnists who make no bones about their dislike for the sitting president and they publish embarrassing leaks from his staffers. Have they forfeited their First Amendment protections by acknowledging that the ultimate goal is to see him impeached? ...An artist designs an intricate flag for rallies at the Capital where people try to influence the outcome of the next House race. Is it not art?

Working towards political change makes it more vitally protected speech, not less.

Not when you see the evidence and charges. You cannot run or be part of an espionage plot then publish the information under first amendment protections. Journalists can publish what is freely given to them, but they cannot participate in the theft.
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Re: Annals of the Police State....
Posted by: $tevie
Date: April 23, 2017 12:27AM
The crime isn't publishing the leaks. The crime is the acquisition and motive of the leaks. This is not some cut-and-dried done First Amendment case and it's naive to think that it is.



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