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Re: "No, Hillary Clinton, the First Woman to Win a Major-Party Presidential Nomination, Does Not Need to Shut Up About It"
Posted by: kj
Date: September 13, 2017 07:21PM
I'm sure they will peace
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Re: "No, Hillary Clinton, the First Woman to Win a Major-Party Presidential Nomination, Does Not Need to Shut Up About It"
Posted by: $tevie
Date: September 13, 2017 07:40PM
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Filliam H. Muffman
The only reason Bernie did well was because he started a grass roots movement outside the party.
You just did Bernie a HUGE disservice.

You don't seem to understand that the party is a cap-P Party. The members are supposed to choose their nominee. So you saying that Bernie did well because he went outside the party is just saying that he was all about himself and not about the primary process of the Democratic Party. So WTF, how is that admirable? He knew he couldn't win as an independent so he tried to hijack the Democratic party and it didn't work out. Boo hoo hoo.







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Re: "No, Hillary Clinton, the First Woman to Win a Major-Party Presidential Nomination, Does Not Need to Shut Up About It"
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: September 13, 2017 07:46PM
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$tevie
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Filliam H. Muffman
The only reason Bernie did well was because he started a grass roots movement outside the party.
You just did Bernie a HUGE disservice.

You don't seem to understand that the party is a cap-P Party. The members are supposed to choose their nominee. So you saying that Bernie did well because he went outside the party is just saying that he was all about himself and not about the primary process of the Democratic Party. So WTF, how is that admirable? He knew he couldn't win as an independent so he tried to hijack the Democratic party and it didn't work out. Boo hoo hoo.

It's fine if you want to look at it like that. I know better.



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Re: "No, Hillary Clinton, the First Woman to Win a Major-Party Presidential Nomination, Does Not Need to Shut Up About It"
Posted by: pdq
Date: September 13, 2017 11:44PM
If he started a grass roots movement outside the party...why wasn't this movement outside the party?

Seriously. I mean, he didn't even claim to be a Democrat. If he was going to be successful, couldn't he have done the same as a third party candidate? Wouldn't that have worked even better, if you think the party was supposedly trying so hard to deep-six him? He could have run for the Sanders party or the Socialist party unopposed, and saved all his resources for the general.
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Re: "No, Hillary Clinton, the First Woman to Win a Major-Party Presidential Nomination, Does Not Need to Shut Up About It"
Posted by: $tevie
Date: September 13, 2017 11:55PM
Yes, if the Democrats were so determined to screw him, and he was so sure to beat Trump, then he was an idiot not to run as an Independent and suck up all those disenfranchised Democrats, disgusted Republicans, and cynical Independents.

Sanders tried to win the use of the Democratic machine and their money and their media connections, and when he didn't get it he decided that the very things he had been trying to win were evil. He's trying to play both sides of the coin.

"She (DNC) wouldn't sleep with me. She must be a bitch".

He's a great Senator but HE is the one who needs to @#$%& about 2016, not Clinton.







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Re: "No, Hillary Clinton, the First Woman to Win a Major-Party Presidential Nomination, Does Not Need to Shut Up About It"
Posted by: deckeda
Date: September 14, 2017 08:23AM
Hey, working as an outsider, while wearing the label of an insider, worked GREAT for Trump. So, it's a quite viable strategy. Both parties stand ready to be used, and neither seems to have a problem with that. At all.

It would be a simple matter to proclaim a rule that switching parties/leaving parties can't be done under certain conditions. (And if they already exist, they're obviously kinda lax.)
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Re: "No, Hillary Clinton, the First Woman to Win a Major-Party Presidential Nomination, Does Not Need to Shut Up About It"
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: September 14, 2017 10:23AM
Americans have been sent to jail, beaten up and even killed over the right to vote. And yet now half of us can't be bothered to exercise this fundamental civil right.

Be a good citizen. Be a voter.
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Re: "No, Hillary Clinton, the First Woman to Win a Major-Party Presidential Nomination, Does Not Need to Shut Up About It"
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: September 14, 2017 10:29AM
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deckeda
Hey, working as an outsider, while wearing the label of an insider, worked GREAT for Trump. So, it's a quite viable strategy. Both parties stand ready to be used, and neither seems to have a problem with that. At all.

It would be a simple matter to proclaim a rule that switching parties/leaving parties can't be done under certain conditions. (And if they already exist, they're obviously kinda lax.)

What does "the parties stand ready to be used" mean? Yes the major parties each support the candidate who wins the primaries, and one of them is going to be elected president. Our system is much more open and transparent than in the past and there is no group of people in a smoky room deciding who gets to run. (Bernie Bro conspiracies persist but have no basis in fact) We've never elected an independent or a third party candidate in the modern political era so if someone really wants to be President then they have to run as a major party candidate.

The GOP did it's best to stop Donald Trump. Appealing to the worst instincts, he simply beat the other candidates. The party had a BIG problem with that. One of my friends was a "never Trump" delegate to the national GOP convention. She said it was the ugliest process she's ever seen.

And inside the Democrat party people were plenty unhappy with Bernie too.
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Re: "No, Hillary Clinton, the First Woman to Win a Major-Party Presidential Nomination, Does Not Need to Shut Up About It"
Posted by: $tevie
Date: September 14, 2017 11:09AM
I have a friend who was a Bernie delegate. She was contacted out of the blue by the Maryland group (which she wasn't part of) because they didn't have enough delegates for the primary ballot and were scratching around trying to find some. So she said, why not? and got sent to the convention and had a great time. However, this does make one wonder how many delegates were also not part of the Revolution but were asked to do so by local groups. Of course, MD is a very Democratic state so YMMV.







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Re: "No, Hillary Clinton, the First Woman to Win a Major-Party Presidential Nomination, Does Not Need to Shut Up About It"
Posted by: kj
Date: September 14, 2017 01:44PM
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Lemon Drop
Americans have been sent to jail, beaten up and even killed over the right to vote. And yet now half of us can't be bothered to exercise this fundamental civil right.

Be a good citizen. Be a voter.


I have the right to vote, or not to vote. Not voting can be a perfectly legitimate way to exercise the right. It was a very deliberate decision on my part, and I know it was for many others also.
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Re: "No, Hillary Clinton, the First Woman to Win a Major-Party Presidential Nomination, Does Not Need to Shut Up About It"
Posted by: vision63
Date: September 14, 2017 01:48PM
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kj
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Lemon Drop
Americans have been sent to jail, beaten up and even killed over the right to vote. And yet now half of us can't be bothered to exercise this fundamental civil right.

Be a good citizen. Be a voter.


I have the right to vote, or not to vote. Not voting can be a perfectly legitimate way to exercise the right. It was a very deliberate decision on my part, and I know it was for many others also.

I don't think anybody fought and died for your right to vote.
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Re: "No, Hillary Clinton, the First Woman to Win a Major-Party Presidential Nomination, Does Not Need to Shut Up About It"
Posted by: pdq
Date: September 14, 2017 03:39PM
Well, I don't think anyone fought and died for his right not to vote.

Don't wanna vote, then don't. But you shouldn't be surprised or complain about the outcome if you make that choice.
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Re: "No, Hillary Clinton, the First Woman to Win a Major-Party Presidential Nomination, Does Not Need to Shut Up About It"
Posted by: kj
Date: September 14, 2017 05:42PM
Well, I guess it doesn't really matter why I get to choose whether to vote, or not. I still have the freedom to do either, and I made use of that freedom.

I'll be ecstatic if one of the two parties fields a candidate that I can vote for, but so far it looks like they're just trying to figure out the right lies to tell. It amazes me so many people are happy to let them play that game.

edit: I can't think of any reason I shouldn't complain that the dems and repubs chose terrible candidates. Voting for one of the two would do absolutely nothing to change things. Trump being elected has at least caused both parties to reflect, a lot.



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Re: "No, Hillary Clinton, the First Woman to Win a Major-Party Presidential Nomination, Does Not Need to Shut Up About It"
Posted by: deckeda
Date: September 14, 2017 08:56PM
Elections are always about trends. Moving the peg in a direction. Anyone who expects some Ultimate Solution granted by any candidate doesn't grok the process of compromise, AND, willingly accepts the peg might get irreversibly moved into Hell.

I won't be waiting around for Prince or Princess Charming the hold office. That's just a little too damn precious. Too much is at stake.



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Re: "No, Hillary Clinton, the First Woman to Win a Major-Party Presidential Nomination, Does Not Need to Shut Up About It"
Posted by: kj
Date: September 14, 2017 09:26PM
Uh, theres a lot of space between trump or hillary and prince(ss) charming. Its not like I've never voted.
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Re: "No, Hillary Clinton, the First Woman to Win a Major-Party Presidential Nomination, Does Not Need to Shut Up About It"
Posted by: vision63
Date: September 15, 2017 03:54AM
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kj
Uh, theres a lot of space between trump or hillary and prince(ss) charming. Its not like I've never voted.

This time you voted for Trump
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Re: "No, Hillary Clinton, the First Woman to Win a Major-Party Presidential Nomination, Does Not Need to Shut Up About It"
Posted by: rjmacs
Date: September 19, 2017 06:42AM
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vision63
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kj
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Lemon Drop
Americans have been sent to jail, beaten up and even killed over the right to vote. And yet now half of us can't be bothered to exercise this fundamental civil right.

Be a good citizen. Be a voter.


I have the right to vote, or not to vote. Not voting can be a perfectly legitimate way to exercise the right. It was a very deliberate decision on my part, and I know it was for many others also.

I don't think anybody fought and died for your right to vote.

I don't want to be "that guy," but the Revolutionary War might qualify. But I don't have a reference indicating kj's race, age, or land-holding status.



rj
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