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Single-payer, circa 2017
Posted by: deckeda
Date: September 13, 2017 10:38AM
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Re: Single-payer, circa 2017
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: September 13, 2017 11:04AM
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Re: Single-payer, circa 2017
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: September 13, 2017 11:15AM
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Re: Single-payer, circa 2017
Posted by: vision63
Date: September 13, 2017 11:30AM
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Filliam H. Muffman
Any time Clinton butts into the news cycle about the past, it is another distraction from going forward with issues like this.
Re: Single-payer, circa 2017
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: September 13, 2017 12:21PM
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vision63
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Filliam H. Muffman
Any time Clinton butts into the news cycle about the past, it is another distraction from going forward with issues like this.
Sanders is a Flim Flam man who ultimately cost us the election. He's done nothing of any real consequence in the entirety of his life.
Oh, my bad, raising $220 million and losing by 4 million votes did have that consequence.
Re: Single-payer, circa 2017
Posted by: vision63
Date: September 13, 2017 12:35PM
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Filliam H. Muffman
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vision63
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Filliam H. Muffman
Any time Clinton butts into the news cycle about the past, it is another distraction from going forward with issues like this.
Sanders is a Flim Flam man who ultimately cost us the election. He's done nothing of any real consequence in the entirety of his life.
Oh, my bad, raising $220 million and losing by 4 million votes did have that consequence.
Oh look, another excuse for Clinton losing the election. How many is that now, 15? 20?
Re: Single-payer, circa 2017
Posted by: Kraniac
Date: September 13, 2017 12:45PM
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vision63
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Filliam H. Muffman
Any time Clinton butts into the news cycle about the past, it is another distraction from going forward with issues like this.
Sanders is a Flim Flam man who ultimately cost us the election. He's done nothing of any real consequence in the entirety of his life.
Oh, my bad, raising $220 million and losing by 4 million votes did have that consequence.
Re: Single-payer, circa 2017
Posted by: pdq
Date: September 13, 2017 02:15PM
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Re: Single-payer, circa 2017
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: September 13, 2017 02:20PM
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Re: Single-payer, circa 2017
Posted by: decay
Date: September 13, 2017 02:55PM
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Re: Single-payer, circa 2017
Posted by: $tevie
Date: September 13, 2017 03:58PM
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That's true. I saw all the Congresspeople sitting at their desks reading her book and watching her on TV, instead of going to work today.Quote
Filliam H. Muffman
Any time Clinton butts into the news cycle about the past, it is another distraction from going forward with issues like this.
Re: Single-payer, circa 2017
Posted by: deckeda
Date: September 13, 2017 04:04PM
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Re: Single-payer, circa 2017
Posted by: deckeda
Date: September 13, 2017 04:05PM
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$tevie
That's true. I saw all the Congresspeople sitting at their desks reading her book and watching her on TV, instead of going to work today.Quote
Filliam H. Muffman
Any time Clinton butts into the news cycle about the past, it is another distraction from going forward with issues like this.
Re: Single-payer, circa 2017
Posted by: $tevie
Date: September 13, 2017 04:06PM
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No, I did not. This idea that Americans cannot fart and chew gum at the same time is absurd.Quote
deckeda
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$tevie
That's true. I saw all the Congresspeople sitting at their desks reading her book and watching her on TV, instead of going to work today.Quote
Filliam H. Muffman
Any time Clinton butts into the news cycle about the past, it is another distraction from going forward with issues like this.
Not fair. You understood his point.
Re: Single-payer, circa 2017
Posted by: Kraniac
Date: September 13, 2017 04:57PM
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Re: Single-payer, circa 2017
Posted by: kj
Date: September 13, 2017 07:06PM
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Re: Single-payer, circa 2017
Posted by: Acer
Date: September 13, 2017 07:06PM
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Re: Single-payer, circa 2017
Posted by: kj
Date: September 13, 2017 07:11PM
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Re: Single-payer, circa 2017
Posted by: kj
Date: September 13, 2017 07:12PM
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$tevie
No, I did not. This idea that Americans cannot fart and chew gum at the same time is absurd.Quote
deckeda
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$tevie
That's true. I saw all the Congresspeople sitting at their desks reading her book and watching her on TV, instead of going to work today.Quote
Filliam H. Muffman
Any time Clinton butts into the news cycle about the past, it is another distraction from going forward with issues like this.
Not fair. You understood his point.
Re: Single-payer, circa 2017
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: September 13, 2017 07:19PM
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vision63
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Filliam H. Muffman
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vision63
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Filliam H. Muffman
Any time Clinton butts into the news cycle about the past, it is another distraction from going forward with issues like this.
Sanders is a Flim Flam man who ultimately cost us the election. He's done nothing of any real consequence in the entirety of his life.
Oh, my bad, raising $220 million and losing by 4 million votes did have that consequence.
Oh look, another excuse for Clinton losing the election. How many is that now, 15? 20?
I stick to Bernie. The rest is just your fantasy. I prefer truth.
Re: Single-payer, circa 2017
Posted by: Acer
Date: September 13, 2017 07:23PM
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Even Medicare needs a private supplemental policy to make it work well for many retirees.
I didn't really know that until recently since my parents don't (afaik). How does that work?
Re: Single-payer, circa 2017
Posted by: sekker
Date: September 13, 2017 07:52PM
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Re: Single-payer, circa 2017
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: September 13, 2017 08:30PM
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Re: Single-payer, circa 2017
Posted by: deckeda
Date: September 13, 2017 09:06PM
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Re: Single-payer, circa 2017
Posted by: deckeda
Date: September 13, 2017 09:08PM
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Even Medicare needs a private supplemental policy to make it work well for many retirees.
I didn't really know that until recently since my parents don't (afaik). How does that work?
Medigap
From WebMD:
"Medigap is extra health insurance that you buy from a private company to pay health care costs not covered by Original Medicare, such as co-payments, deductibles, and health care if you travel outside the U.S."
Note that one of the beefs about Obamacare is the rather steep deductibles on plans with otherwise affordable premiums. Those deductibles can pinch a budget, moreso on fixed income.
Re: Single-payer, circa 2017
Posted by: pdq
Date: September 13, 2017 09:19PM
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Filliam H. Muffman
Comey... a "determining factor" in her loss, her own mistakes weren't enough.
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micah: Speaking of … next: “The unprecedented intervention in our election by the director of the FBI.”...
natesilver: 4.5
perry: 5
natesilver: It was a big deal. And because it was a discrete event — it happened at one time — it’s relatively easy to measure.
There’s still a range of impacts, from maybe 1 percentage point of the national popular vote on the low end to 3 or 4 points on the high end. But you really have to twist yourself into a pretzel to conclude that the impact wasn’t large enough to cost Clinton the election.
Re: Single-payer, circa 2017
Posted by: sekker
Date: September 13, 2017 10:28PM
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deckeda
For heavens sake, there will always be things to invest in without giving it to healthcare industry. Retirement funding is fluid enough it can be steered to other things.
Re: Single-payer, circa 2017
Posted by: $tevie
Date: September 13, 2017 11:33PM
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Thanks for the link.Quote
pdq
there was a panel discussion (about Clinton's book and the things she "blames" for her loss) that they just put up.
Re: Single-payer, circa 2017
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: September 14, 2017 12:11AM
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Filliam H. Muffman
Comey... a "determining factor" in her loss, her own mistakes weren't enough.
You really don't believe that? I think Nate Silver/538 made a pretty convincing statistical case that it was a determining factor (not the only, but one of the major factors) in a close election.
You can look it up on 538 if you want, but there was a panel discussion (about Clinton's book and the things she "blames" for her loss) that they just put up. It's pretty good. On a 1 (small) to 5 (large) effect scale...
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micah: Speaking of … next: “The unprecedented intervention in our election by the director of the FBI.”...
natesilver: 4.5
perry: 5
natesilver: It was a big deal. And because it was a discrete event — it happened at one time — it’s relatively easy to measure.
There’s still a range of impacts, from maybe 1 percentage point of the national popular vote on the low end to 3 or 4 points on the high end. But you really have to twist yourself into a pretzel to conclude that the impact wasn’t large enough to cost Clinton the election.
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Filliam H. Muffman
The latest 538 pile of poo that stuck to the wall on what single item lost Clinton the election
"More harmful for Clinton was which young voters stayed home: minorities. Among white voters, voters 18-29 years old made up 30 percent of voters who did not participate in the November election. Among young Hispanic voters, that climbs to 43 percent. Among young black voters, it was an even higher 46 percent. That generally matches the findings of the voter data released in some Southern states showing that young black voters were especially likely to stay home in this election. Younger black voters were far more likely to support Bernie Sanders in the primary, suggesting that there simply was not the enthusiasm for Clinton’s candidacy as there was for Obama’s in 2012."
Sadly, the SurveyMonkey poll that 538 is cherry picking stats from only has about half the number of respondents they need to get a good statistical results for all the groups. I remember hearing middle age African-American men switched to Drumpf in about the same percentage as middle age white women, but it seems that almost nobody who says things like this ever backs it up with the actual poll numbers that normal people can view.
Re: Single-payer, circa 2017
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: September 14, 2017 08:28AM
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Re: Single-payer, circa 2017
Posted by: deckeda
Date: September 14, 2017 08:46AM
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Re: Single-payer, circa 2017
Posted by: $tevie
Date: September 14, 2017 10:56AM
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Re: Single-payer, circa 2017
Posted by: kj
Date: September 14, 2017 01:36PM
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Filliam H. Muffman
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pdq
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Filliam H. Muffman
Comey... a "determining factor" in her loss, her own mistakes weren't enough.
You really don't believe that? I think Nate Silver/538 made a pretty convincing statistical case that it was a determining factor (not the only, but one of the major factors) in a close election.
You can look it up on 538 if you want, but there was a panel discussion (about Clinton's book and the things she "blames" for her loss) that they just put up. It's pretty good. On a 1 (small) to 5 (large) effect scale...
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micah: Speaking of … next: “The unprecedented intervention in our election by the director of the FBI.”...
natesilver: 4.5
perry: 5
natesilver: It was a big deal. And because it was a discrete event — it happened at one time — it’s relatively easy to measure.
There’s still a range of impacts, from maybe 1 percentage point of the national popular vote on the low end to 3 or 4 points on the high end. But you really have to twist yourself into a pretzel to conclude that the impact wasn’t large enough to cost Clinton the election.
I have addressed this previously.
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Filliam H. Muffman
The latest 538 pile of poo that stuck to the wall on what single item lost Clinton the election
"More harmful for Clinton was which young voters stayed home: minorities. Among white voters, voters 18-29 years old made up 30 percent of voters who did not participate in the November election. Among young Hispanic voters, that climbs to 43 percent. Among young black voters, it was an even higher 46 percent. That generally matches the findings of the voter data released in some Southern states showing that young black voters were especially likely to stay home in this election. Younger black voters were far more likely to support Bernie Sanders in the primary, suggesting that there simply was not the enthusiasm for Clinton’s candidacy as there was for Obama’s in 2012."
Sadly, the SurveyMonkey poll that 538 is cherry picking stats from only has about half the number of respondents they need to get a good statistical results for all the groups. I remember hearing middle age African-American men switched to Drumpf in about the same percentage as middle age white women, but it seems that almost nobody who says things like this ever backs it up with the actual poll numbers that normal people can view.
Re: Single-payer, circa 2017
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: September 14, 2017 03:18PM
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Re: Single-payer, circa 2017
Posted by: pdq
Date: September 14, 2017 03:33PM
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Re: Single-payer, circa 2017
Posted by: $tevie
Date: September 14, 2017 04:59PM
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Re: Single-payer, circa 2017
Posted by: bfd
Date: September 14, 2017 05:20PM
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Re: Single-payer, circa 2017
Posted by: kj
Date: September 14, 2017 05:21PM
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