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About UNESCO exit by Trump
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: October 12, 2017 01:17PM
[corrected] The US has not paid dues since 2011.


Because the U.S. would not pay its formerly 22% share of UNESCO funding, the organization took away U.S. voting rights. So with Palestine=1 vote, U.S.=0 votes, Trump took the next step in this drama which originated under the Obama administration.

Apparently in a form of retaliation, UNESCO labeled The Tomb of The Patriarchs and the Temple Mount in Jerusalem exclusively as Muslim holy sites, despite both being sites of Jewish worship since the Late Bronze Age (With Islam arriving on the scene 1600-2000 years later)



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Re: About UNESCO exit by Trump
Posted by: pdq
Date: October 12, 2017 03:03PM
Let's point out that that was a newly Republican Congress that apparently found recognition of Palestine by the UN in any form to be anti-Israel.
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Re: About UNESCO exit by Trump
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: October 12, 2017 06:37PM
My bad, it was the Obama Administration which took the action as twice previously mandated by Congress.
Acting under a legal requirement to cut U.S. funds to any U.N. agency that recognizes a Palestinian state, the State Department on Monday announced that the United States has stopped funding the U.N. Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization because of the vote. Department spokesman Victoria Nuland told reporters that the Obama administration would not make a planned $60 million payment to the agency due this month.

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pdq
Let's point out that that was a newly Republican Congress that apparently found recognition of Palestine by the UN in any form to be anti-Israel.

The prohibition on U.S. funding of U.N. agencies that recognize a Palestinian state was included in two pieces of legislation that were signed into law by President George H.W. Bush in 1990 and President Bill Clinton in 1994.

The 1990 law prohibits the appropriation of funds “for the United Nations or any specialized agency thereof which accords the Palestine Liberation Organization the same standing as a member state.”

In 1994, Congress barred funding “any affiliated organization of the United Nations which grants full membership as a state to any organization or group that does not have the internationally recognized attributes of statehood.”

Oct 31,2011[www.washingtonpost.com]



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Re: About UNESCO exit by Trump
Posted by: Onamuji
Date: October 12, 2017 06:41PM
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Steve G.
Apparently in a form of retaliation, UNESCO labeled The Tomb of The Patriarchs and the Temple Mount in Jerusalem exclusively as Muslim holy sites, despite both being sites of Jewish worship since the Late Bronze Age (With Islam arriving on the scene 1600-2000 years later)

We've been over this before.

It wasn't retaliation. They are obligated under their charter to act upon all formal proposals by any members and they did so, specifically describing the sites as significant to "people of the Muslim, Christian and Jewish traditions."

NOT JUST MUSLIMS.



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Re: About UNESCO exit by Trump
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: October 12, 2017 07:00PM
The Palestinians disagree with you.
The Palestinian ambassador to Unesco pointed out that the question of religion had not been part of the so-called ‘inscription’ process.

“Palestine has not inscribed a religion on the world heritage list. Religion cannot be inscribed on such a list,” Elias Sanbar said.


So according to UNESCO it was 'Palestinian' site and was 'endangered' (by the Evil Jews)

“This time they decided that the Tomb of the Patriarchs in Hebron is a Palestinian site, meaning not Jewish, and that it’s in danger. Not a Jewish site? Who’s buried there – Avraham, Yitzhak and Yaa’kov. Sarah, Rivka and Leah. Our fathers and mothers. And the site is in danger? Only where Israel rules, like Hebron, is freedom of religion guaranteed for all.”
-Netanyahu got one right this time.
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Re: About UNESCO exit by Trump
Posted by: Onamuji
Date: October 12, 2017 07:54PM
::confused smileyIGH:::

It's a "Palestinian" world heritage site because they made the request and in addition to the shared cultural heritage (The Tomb of the Patriarchs is also the Ibrahimi Mosque and Temple Mount is the Dome of the Rock.) they now have the primary obligation to maintain those sites.

It's actually a pretty big responsibility and involves yearly reviews with new responsibilities set out periodically by UNESCO inspectors.

Israel has not only failed to maintain those sites (in breach of a 2013 agreement), but has encouraged encroachment on them with new construction. The disrespect shown by the Israeli government for the historical value of those sites has been despicable.

Someone had to step in and if Israel wasn't going to shoulder the responsibility, there was only one party left with any right to do so.







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Re: About UNESCO exit by Trump
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: October 12, 2017 09:22PM
Your assertions are complexly false. The Waqf has made extensive excavations under the Temple
mount, destroying three thousand years of the holiest Jewish site. In fact, there is an ongoing Jewish project to sift the debris (which they just dumped) from the Waqf's desecration to try to retrieve something from the two Temples.
The story for the tomb of the Patriarchs Tomb rings the same, where things non-Islamic are treated badly, if not erased.

(Destroying the Jewish cemeteries in Jerusalem in the Jordanian occupation 1948-1967 was emblematic of the 'care taken' by the Jew-free land of Palestinia.)



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Re: About UNESCO exit by Trump
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: October 12, 2017 09:54PM
After September 2000, the Muslim Waqf closed off the Temple Mount entirely to any archeological oversight by the Israel Antiquities Authority. Then, in order to complete new underground mosques at the site, it removed to city garbage dumps some 13,000 tons of rubble from the Temple Mount that included archeological remnants from the First and Second Temple periods.

The intention is to turn the entire 36-acre Temple Mount compound into an exclusively Muslim site by erasing every sign, remnant, and memory of its Jewish past, including the destruction of archeological findings that are proof of this past.

In a country where construction projects may be held up for months out of concern for the preservation of antiquities, the free hand given the Muslim Waqf to destroy Jewish artifacts at Judaism's holiest site is hard to comprehend.
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The Muslims claim that the Temple Mount is an ancient mosque dating from the time of Adam and Eve. Thus, their goal is to turn the entire area into one giant mosque, and into an exclusively Muslim area. They have been working diligently to erase and destroy every archeological remnant and finding that may testify to any Jewish spark or connection to the place. Their intention is to change the status quo of the place by turning all the areas of the Mount into Muslim holy places, mosques, and prayer areas, with the intention of preventing any Jewish presence whatsoever in the future.

The Pit

During October 1999-January 2000, a huge hole -- 50 meters long, 25 meters wide, and 12 meters deep -- was dug in the Temple Mount north of the underground substructure known as Solomon's Stables. This structure is a row of subterranean halls located at the southeastern corner of the Temple Mount and is enclosed by the external wall of the Mount.

This structure was last used by the Crusaders during the medieval era. The system of halls was improved in the twelfth century by the knightly Order of Solomon's Temple (the Templars), whose members, fighting monks, gave them the name of "Solomon's Stables." The Crusader King Baldwin handed the place over to the Knights Templars, and they turned it into stables for their horses. After a major earthquake in 1033 CE, the top of the structure was rebuilt, but no one can confidently date its original construction.

It is not clear what is under Solomon's Stables. We do know about an underground corridor lying below the level of the Single Gate (which once led to Solomon's Stables) that is constructed of Herodian-style blocks. The corridor ends at its northern extremity before a doorway leading to a structure situated below Solomon's Stables. Most scholars suggest that it was founded in the Second Temple period. King Herod built this substructure when he leveled the platform of the Mount.

Policemen on the Mount reported observing the dismantling of a water channel with arches on the western side of the pit at a depth of 2-3 meters, an ancient structure built some time between the Second Temple period and the Muslim period.

The Debris and the Artifacts

The material in the dumps in El-Azaria and in the Kidron Valley both have the same texture, which is a dusty gray soil. The earth contains a mixture of many stones from different periods. Also found were many ancient masonry stones, some carbonized, and many modern blocks and floor tiles, which are probably fragments of the current Temple Mount floor. At first glance it seems that the earth contains no pottery shards, but after a good rain it can easily be seen that the earth is full of shards.

Antiquities found in the dumps include a pillared figurine leg from the time of the First Temple; pottery from the First Temple -- the earliest identified shard is from the eighth century BCE; and pottery from the Second Temple -- including the Hellenistic and Early Roman periods.

According to a Waqf worker who participated in the construction in 1996, stones with decorations and inscriptions were recut so that markings were destroyed. He said he saw writing on the stones in ancient Hebrew. He also saw 5-pointed star symbols on the stones, which we know was a Hasmonean symbol commonly found on handle seals from the second century BCE.

In the recent digging on the Temple Mount, hundreds of trucks were seen removing earth. The trucks were traced to Jerusalem's municipal garbage dump, where the material was mixed with the local garbage, making it impossible for any archeological examination. When the manager of the dump was informed that the trucks contained earth with archeological value, he directed them to a clean area, but after redirecting four trucks, they stopped coming to the dump. The very next evening, around midnight, they dumped tons of truckloads of excavated material into the Kidron Valley.

The following day, archeologists arrived at the new dumpsite and took samples of pottery. Dr. Dan Bahat dated at least half of it to the Second Temple Era. Material collected from the garbage dump was also examined by archeologists Dr. Gabi Barkai and Dr. Aren Maeir.
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Re: About UNESCO exit by Trump
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: October 12, 2017 10:06PM
After the Six-Day War in 1967, in which Israel gained control of Hebron, the first Jew who entered the Cave of Machpelah for about 700 years, was the Chief Rabbi of the Israel Defense Forces, Major general Rabbi Shlomo Goren. "About 700 years ago, the Muslim Mamelukes conquered Hebron, declared the structure a mosque and forbade entry to Jews, who were not allowed past the seventh step on a staircase outside the building." Following the 1929 Hebron massacre, this restricted access was even more restricted by British Mandate authorities. After Israeli statehood in 1948 and the Jordanian annexation of the West Bank, no Jews were allowed anywhere in the territory. Following the Israeli occupation of Hebron in the Six-Day War, the area came under Jewish authority for the first time in 2,000 years and the 700-year-long restriction limiting Jews to the seventh step outside was lifted. Jews immediately began re-settling in the city after the Six-Day War. The first subsequent Jewish wedding ceremony took place on August 7, 1968.

In 1968, a special arrangement was made to accommodate Jewish services on the Jewish New Year and Day of Atonement. This led to a hand-grenade being thrown on the stairway leading to the tomb on October 9; 47 Israelis were injured, 8 seriously. On November 4, a large explosion went off near the gate to the compound and 6 people, Jews and Arabs, were wounded. On Yom Kippur eve, October 3, 1976, an Arab mob destroyed several Torah scrolls and prayer books at the tomb. In May 1980, an attack on Jewish worshippers returning from prayers at the tomb left 6 dead and 17 wounded.

Tensions would later increase as the Israeli government signed the Oslo Accords in September 1993, which gave limited autonomy to the PLO in the West Bank city of Jericho and the Gaza Strip. The city of Hebron and the rest of the major Palestinian population centers in the West Bank were not included in the initial agreement. The Cave of the Patriarchs massacre committed by Baruch Goldstein, an Israeli-American settler in February 1994, left 29 Palestinian Muslims dead and scores injured. The resulting riots resulted in a further 35 deaths.
Jewish bride praying at the site before her wedding, 2010

The increased sensitivity of the site meant that in 1996 the Wye River Accords, part of the Arab-Israeli peace process, included a temporary status agreement for the site restricting access for both Jews and Muslims. As part of this agreement, the waqf (Islamic charitable trust) controls 81% of the building. This includes the whole of the southeastern section, which lies above the only known entrance to the caves and possibly over the entirety of the caves themselves. In consequence, Jews are not permitted to visit the Cenotaphs of Isaac or Rebecca, which lie entirely within the southeastern section, except for 10 days a year that hold special significance in Judaism. One of these days is the Shabbat Chayei Sarah, when the Torah portion concerning the death of Sarah and the purchase by Abraham of the land in which the caves are situated, is read.

The Israeli authorities do not allow Jewish religious authorities the right to maintain the site and allow only the waqf to do so. Tourists are permitted to enter the site. Security at the site has increased since the Intifada; the Israel Defense Forces surround the site with soldiers and control access to the shrines. Israeli forces also subject locals to checkpoints and bar all non-Jews from stepping foot on some of the main roads to the complex and ban Palestinian vehicles from many of the roads in the area.

On February 21, 2010, Israel announced that it would include the site in a national heritage site protection and rehabilitation plan. The announcement sparked protests from the UN, Arab governments and the United States. A subsequent UNESCO vote in October aimed to affirm that the "al-Haram al-Ibrahimi/Tomb of the Patriarchs in al-Khalil/Hebron" was "an integral part of the occupied Palestinian Territories."[

Israeli authorities have placed restrictions on calling the faithful to prayer by the muezzin of the Ibrahimi mosque. The order was enforced 61 times in October 2014, and 52 times in December of that year. This was following numerous complaints by the Jewish residents who claim that the calls violate legal decibel limits. In December 2009 Israeli authorities banned Jewish music played at the cave following similar complaints from the Arab residents.

On 6 November 2015, 2 Israelis were shot and injured in a Palestinian shooting attack at the site.[
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Re: About UNESCO exit by Trump
Posted by: Speedy
Date: October 12, 2017 11:17PM
No link?



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Re: About UNESCO exit by Trump
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: October 13, 2017 09:02AM
'Palestinians disagree with you'- [www.theguardian.com] large number of articles on this. I chose this for the quote to refute the argument made

'Temple Mount Excavations by Waqf'- [www.jcpa.org] Hundreds of articles concerning this. This is very descriptive.

'Tomb of the Patriarchs' -[en.wikipedia.org] lots of articles on this

I certainly wouldn't want to be confused with the Missing Link Gang here.



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