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They #releasedthememo
Posted by: rjmacs
Date: February 02, 2018 11:32AM
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Re: They #releasedthememo
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: February 02, 2018 11:56AM
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Posted by: Steve G.
Date: February 02, 2018 12:08PM
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Posted by: hal
Date: February 02, 2018 12:22PM
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Re: They #releasedthememo
Posted by: rjmacs
Date: February 02, 2018 12:26PM
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Re: They #releasedthememo
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: February 02, 2018 12:28PM
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Re: They #releasedthememo
Posted by: Acer
Date: February 02, 2018 12:29PM
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Re: They #releasedthememo
Posted by: rjmacs
Date: February 02, 2018 12:31PM
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Re: They #releasedthememo
Posted by: Pam
Date: February 02, 2018 12:53PM
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Re: They #releasedthememo
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: February 02, 2018 01:00PM
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It's all about establishing that the tree was poisoned from the outset.
Re: They #releasedthememo
Posted by: Pam
Date: February 02, 2018 01:01PM
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Re: They #releasedthememo
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: February 02, 2018 01:06PM
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Re: They #releasedthememo
Posted by: Pam
Date: February 02, 2018 01:12PM
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Trey Goody tweet:
As I have said repeatedly, I also remain 100 percent confident in Special Counsel Robert Mueller. The contents of this memo do not - in any way - discredit his investigation.
Gowdy was a federal prosecutor himself - he should know.
Re: They #releasedthememo
Posted by: JoeH
Date: February 02, 2018 01:24PM
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Re: They #releasedthememo
Posted by: Pam
Date: February 02, 2018 01:43PM
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Re: They #releasedthememo
Posted by: deckeda
Date: February 02, 2018 01:50PM
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Trey Goody tweet:
As I have said repeatedly, I also remain 100 percent confident in Special Counsel Robert Mueller. The contents of this memo do not - in any way - discredit his investigation.
Gowdy was a federal prosecutor himself - he should know.
Trey actually got to read the FISA application. Unlike Nunes who had his clearance revoked, and is supposed to be recused from the Russia investigation.
Re: They #releasedthememo
Posted by: deckeda
Date: February 02, 2018 01:54PM
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Re: They #releasedthememo
Posted by: deckeda
Date: February 02, 2018 01:58PM
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“Due to the sensitive nature of foreign intelligence activity, FISA submissions (including renewals) before the ISC are classified.”
Re: They #releasedthememo
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: February 02, 2018 02:04PM
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Re: They #releasedthememo
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: February 02, 2018 02:07PM
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Re: They #releasedthememo
Posted by: Pam
Date: February 02, 2018 02:14PM
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Trey Goody tweet:
As I have said repeatedly, I also remain 100 percent confident in Special Counsel Robert Mueller. The contents of this memo do not - in any way - discredit his investigation.
Gowdy was a federal prosecutor himself - he should know.
Trey actually got to read the FISA application. Unlike Nunes who had his clearance revoked, and is supposed to be recused from the Russia investigation.
I don't understand this, if true. Why wouldn't news media be making hay of Nunes not able to actually see the FISA warrants? Especially since his memo repeatedly says they were weak?
Or is that he did see them but has simply been out of the loop since recusing himself, and is now looking to bolster his new job, i.e. investigating the FBI and DoJ?
Re: They #releasedthememo
Posted by: $tevie
Date: February 02, 2018 02:46PM
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Re: They #releasedthememo
Posted by: deckeda
Date: February 02, 2018 02:51PM
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and talking about prophetic...
'Republicans collide with huge load of garbage.'
Re: They #releasedthememo
Posted by: Ted King
Date: February 02, 2018 03:41PM
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This fits with the memo’s overall method of argument, which is to imply something suspicious without outright asserting malfeasance.
For example, the memo repeatedly notes that the DOJ knew that “political actors” were involved in the financing the Steele dossier. It implies that the FBI knew they were Democrats and chose to ignore it.
But it never outright asserts that, and for good reason. The firm that employed Steele was initially contracted by a conservative publication, the Washington Free Beacon, not any Democrat or Democratic political campaign. It’s possible the FBI knew of the Free Beacon’s involvement or just generally that some political actor was involved in funding it — but didn’t know about the Clinton campaign’s involvement. The memo never clarifies which “political actors” it means.
Similarly, the memo notes that various important people, including former FBI Director James Comey and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, reapproved the FISA surveillance after the initial application. The implication is that these people were either incompetent, because they failed to notice the omissions in the application, or complicit in an effort to deceive the court.
But there’s another possibility that’s left unmentioned: Perhaps the FISA surveillance on Page revealed disturbing Russian connections that warranted continued surveillance. Page had a longtime history of connections with the Russian government— so much so that in 2013, Russian agents approached him with the intent of turning him into an asset (a point the Nunes memo never notes).
This, experts say, is almost certainly what happened.
Re: They #releasedthememo
Posted by: Ted King
Date: February 02, 2018 03:58PM
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If the real, real long game here is to create just enough chaos and distraction to lead citizens to wonder whether this last action represents the death of constitutional democracy, this latest act is a big win from House Republicans and Donald Trump. Robert Mueller is just fractionally less safe than he was on Thursday, the country is fractionally less confident in the independence and efficacy of the national intelligence apparatus, and everyone is slightly more baffled that something as stupid as the Nunes memo serves to achieve those ends. In a Zeno’s paradox of constitutional meltdown, another nothing just inched us closer to a really big something. But nobody knows if we will ever get there.
Re: They #releasedthememo
Posted by: deckeda
Date: February 02, 2018 04:10PM
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Re: They #releasedthememo
Posted by: Speedy
Date: February 02, 2018 04:18PM
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Re: They #releasedthememo
Posted by: rexs
Date: February 02, 2018 04:35PM
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Re: They #releasedthememo
Posted by: sekker
Date: February 02, 2018 04:53PM
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Re: They #releasedthememo
Posted by: $tevie
Date: February 02, 2018 05:14PM
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Re: They #releasedthememo
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: February 02, 2018 05:24PM
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Re: They #releasedthememo
Posted by: Pam
Date: February 02, 2018 05:25PM
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So why the distraction?
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Posted by: Dennis S
Date: February 02, 2018 05:51PM
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It's not a distraction so much as it is an effort to poison our minds against the FBI. So when the real crimes come out, we'll say none of this can be true, the FBI are partisan tools. Muddying the waters.Quote
sekker
So why the distraction?
Re: They #releasedthememo
Posted by: steve...
Date: February 02, 2018 07:27PM
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Re: They #releasedthememo
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: February 02, 2018 08:09PM
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Re: They #releasedthememo
Posted by: Wags
Date: February 02, 2018 09:17PM
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They are doing their best to not include mention that the whole dossier started as opposition research funded by 45's GOP opponents.
Re: They #releasedthememo
Posted by: ROFF
Date: February 03, 2018 10:54AM
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Re: They #releasedthememo
Posted by: Speedy
Date: February 03, 2018 03:53PM
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