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The Kansas model gets another try...
Posted by: pdq
Date: February 08, 2018 02:18PM
...in Oklahoma.

Astoundingly, the results seem to be the same.

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Riding high on the oil boom of the late 2000s, the state followed the Kansas model and slashed taxes. But the promised prosperity never came. In many cases, it was just the opposite.

Around 20 percent of Oklahoma's schools now hold classes just four days a week. Last year, highway patrol officers were given a mileage limit because the state couldn't afford to put gas in their tanks. Medicaid provider rates have been cut to the point that rural nursing homes and hospitals are closing, and the prisons are so full that the director of corrections says they're on the brink of a crisis.

How did this economic miracle come to pass?

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[Oklahoma] state law mandates that no tax increase can pass without a three-quarters majority in the state legislature. This has created a one-way ratchet, in which any tax cut is effectively permanent and taxes can only go down.

Ah, the economic wonders of TABOR/Prop 13 and the like. Such a looong history of success. How did it go in Kansas?

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The promised growth didn’t materialize — in fact, the state [Kansas] grew at a lower rate than the rest of the country through the recovery of the Obama years. Job growth in the state between the time the tax cuts were enacted and when they were scaled back in 2017...was less than half of what it was in the rest of the country, and lower than every one of Kansas’s neighbors except one...That’s right: Oklahoma.

But they're just getting rid of government waste, aren't they?

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For instance...Oklahoma ranks 43rd in household income...[and] like many Republican states, Oklahoma refused to accept the Affordable Care Act’s expansion of Medicaid, and partly as a result it ranks eighth on the list of states with the highest proportion of its population without health insurance.

Jesus is our flu shot.

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Just to reiterate: The state has so little money that 1 in 5 schools is open only four days a week. Gov. Mary Fallin and Republicans in the state legislature are debating a plan to increase taxes to try to address some of these problems, including giving a raise to teachers. Which is sorely needed, because Oklahoma pays its teachers less than any other state in the country.

When my daughter finished college, she considered a teaching program that offered to put her in inner city Boston, or Tulsa. I said the choice was hers, but if it were me, I wouldn't have to think twice.

She enjoyed Boston. I think I would have too.
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Re: The Kansas model gets another try...
Posted by: pdq
Date: February 08, 2018 02:23PM
BTW, that machine blip that sent the market down 1800 points in two days?

Apparently, the blip is back.

Edit: 20 minutes to go, and the Dow is -773. A new entry in the top twenty for Mr. Trump?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/08/2018 02:46PM by pdq.
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Re: The Kansas model gets another try...
Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: February 08, 2018 02:42PM
Geeeeez!

You libtards never give trickle down ENOUGH TIME!
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Re: The Kansas model gets another try...
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: February 08, 2018 02:47PM
Florida is about to put the same idea to a vote. I fully expect it to get the 60% needed for passage. The average voter only hears Tax Freeze and they think it is a great idea.



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Re: The Kansas model gets another try...
Posted by: pdq
Date: February 08, 2018 02:48PM
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Lux Interior
Geeeeez!

You libtards never give trickle down ENOUGH TIME!

Indeed. It's been said that conservatism cannot fail, it can only be failed by those who are insufficiently dedicated to it.
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Re: The Kansas model gets another try...
Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: February 08, 2018 02:51PM
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pdq
Indeed. It's been said that conservatism cannot fail, it can only be failed by those who are insufficiently dedicated to it.

Exactly!

If you let all the wealth go to a small group, THEN they can finally become generous and ensure prosperity for all!

Until then, what is their motivation?
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Re: The Kansas model gets another try...
Posted by: pdq
Date: February 08, 2018 03:04PM
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Ombligo
Florida is about to put the same idea to a vote. I fully expect it to get the 60% needed for passage. The average voter only hears Tax Freeze and they think it is a great idea.

When Tim Pawlenty was our guv, he had ambitions for higher office and so kept to strict-GOP-orthodoxy, scorched-earth, no-tax-increases. There was a point at which his administration said there was just not enough money for bridge inspection. Then a bridge fell down, and somehow we found money for bridges.

Pawlenty went on to his reward as a lobbyist out east when his higher political ambitions crashed and burned early in Iowa caucuses. He's recently quit that sweet gig, and the rumor is he may run for governor again.

If he does, I'm going to retell that road story to anyone who has forgotten, at the top of my voice. Pawlenty round 2 is the last thing we need.
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Re: The Kansas model gets another try...
Posted by: pdq
Date: February 08, 2018 03:07PM
At the bell, the Dow breaks below 24K for another 1000+ point drop.

At the risk of appearing traitorous, I'm not going to clap for either side, m'Kay?
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Re: The Kansas model gets another try...
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: February 08, 2018 03:27PM
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Lux Interior
Geeeeez!

You libtards never give trickle down ENOUGH TIME!

Indeed. It's been said that conservatism cannot fail, it can only be failed by those who are insufficiently dedicated to it.

Tinkerbell effect
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Re: The Kansas model gets another try...
Posted by: pdq
Date: February 08, 2018 03:40PM
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Lux Interior
Geeeeez!

You libtards never give trickle down ENOUGH TIME!

Indeed. It's been said that conservatism cannot fail, it can only be failed by those who are insufficiently dedicated to it.

Tinkerbell effect

Clap harder, you traitors!
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Re: The Kansas model gets another try...
Posted by: gabester
Date: February 08, 2018 10:01PM
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Lux Interior
Geeeeez!

You libtards never give trickle down ENOUGH TIME!

Indeed. It's been said that conservatism cannot fail, it can only be failed by those who are insufficiently dedicated to it.

Tinkerbell effect

Clap harder, you traitors!

I can think of another C word for which the above statement holds true. Are you borrowing liberally? :-)

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Re: The Kansas model gets another try...
Posted by: Ammo
Date: February 09, 2018 12:46PM
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Ombligo
Florida is about to put the same idea to a vote. I fully expect it to get the 60% needed for passage. The average voter only hears Tax Freeze and they think it is a great idea.

When Tim Pawlenty was our guv, he had ambitions for higher office and so kept to strict-GOP-orthodoxy, scorched-earth, no-tax-increases. There was a point at which his administration said there was just not enough money for bridge inspection. Then a bridge fell down, and somehow we found money for bridges.

Pawlenty went on to his reward as a lobbyist out east when his higher political ambitions crashed and burned early in Iowa caucuses. He's recently quit that sweet gig, and the rumor is he may run for governor again.

If he does, I'm going to retell that road story to anyone who has forgotten, at the top of my voice. Pawlenty round 2 is the last thing we need.

I’m with you, PDQ.



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Re: The Kansas model gets another try...
Posted by: Speedy
Date: February 09, 2018 09:45PM
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Ammo
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Ombligo
Florida is about to put the same idea to a vote. I fully expect it to get the 60% needed for passage. The average voter only hears Tax Freeze and they think it is a great idea.

When Tim Pawlenty was our guv, he had ambitions for higher office and so kept to strict-GOP-orthodoxy, scorched-earth, no-tax-increases. There was a point at which his administration said there was just not enough money for bridge inspection. Then a bridge fell down, and somehow we found money for bridges.

Pawlenty went on to his reward as a lobbyist out east when his higher political ambitions crashed and burned early in Iowa caucuses. He's recently quit that sweet gig, and the rumor is he may run for governor again.

If he does, I'm going to retell that road story to anyone who has forgotten, at the top of my voice. Pawlenty round 2 is the last thing we need.

I’m with you, PDQ.

Me, too.



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