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African countries further insulted when Tlllerson yanked from trip
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: March 13, 2018 02:28PM
Can Trump make things even worse with African states? The Chinese are laughing at him.

Reuters story;
[www.reuters.com]
OHANNESBURG (Reuters) - From the outset, Rex Tillerson’s first trip to Africa looked half-hearted and token, but with the hindsight knowledge that the U.S. Secretary of State was fired just two days in, it’s his African hosts who must be wondering why they bothered.
Beyond $533 million in humanitarian aid and some pat remarks about security and not getting too cosy with China, Tillerson’s main aim appeared to be clearing up the mess left by President Donald Trump’s reported dismissal of some African nations as“s***hole countries”. Trump later denied making the comment. But the revelation from a senior White House official that Trump told Tillerson he was out of a job just two days into the six-day jaunt leaves little room for doubt about the Trump White House’s attitude towards the continent.

Given its increasing reliance for aid and trade on China, its main commercial partner, and a recent diplomatic push led by Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov, the slight is likely to have real consequences for Washington’s status on the continent of a billion people.

“This shows Trump’s disdain - a real own-goal, especially with Lavrov hot on his heels,” said Jackie Cilliers, head of the South Africa-based Institute for Security Studies.

After a brief appearance at the African Union headquarters in Ethiopia, where he spoke of the need for care when doing business with China, Tillerson flew to the Horn of Africa state of Djibouti, then Kenya, an important east African ally.

His presence in Nairobi on Friday smoothed the way for a kiss-and-make-up meeting between President Uhuru Kenyatta and opposition leader Raila Odinga.

It was downhill from there. Tillerson’s focus switched to a possible summit between Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong-Un - and trying to keep his job.

On Saturday, he pulled out of his activities in Nairobi, citing ill health, before flying to Chad and Nigeria. His time with leaders there on the front line of the fight against Boko Haram was cut short by the need to get home a day early. Only hours after he touched down in the United States, Trump announced on Twitter that Tillerson was fired.
For Kenya’s chattering political classes, it was a telling window into the priorities of the Trump White House. “It’d be better for Africa if the Trump administration just ignored us because of the chaos and dysfunction within the administration,” said Nanjala Nyabola, a Kenyan writer and political analyst. “It’s interesting and disturbing to see the administration flounder so much and not really have a coherent response to any major challenges on the continent and elsewhere.” A spokesman for Kenya’s declined to comment. Nigeria’s foreign ministry did not respond to a request for comment.

In Nigeria - where Tillerson held talks with President Muhammadu Buhari on Monday - the secretary of state’s ousting was met with a sense of weary acceptance. “American foreign policy has always treated Africa as a leftover, which is why it’s not a huge shock that Tillerson was in Africa while they fired him,” said Pat Utomi, professor of political economy at Lagos Business School.
“It doesn’t augur well for the long-term message of America to Africa, especially with the message he sounded, which was‘beware of China’. This means that the warning he was giving was of no consequence,” said Utomi.




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Re: African countries further insulted when Tlllerson yanked from trip
Posted by: Acer
Date: March 13, 2018 02:44PM
The next president is going to spend two terms just patching up the diplomatic disaster left in the wake of just one term of Trump. But it may be worth it to get a meeting with the roaring mouse in NK.
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Re: African countries further insulted when Tlllerson yanked from trip
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: March 13, 2018 02:52PM
Pulled the guy out of those S* hole countries, amirite ?
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Re: African countries further insulted when Tlllerson yanked from trip
Posted by: pdq
Date: March 13, 2018 02:56PM
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Acer
The next president is going to spend two terms just patching up the diplomatic disaster left in the wake of just one term of Trump. But it may be worth it to get a meeting with the roaring mouse in NK.

FWIW, this is what North Korea has been asking for (er, demanding) for years - one-on-one negotiations with the US. Past US efforts have been centered around "six-party" (ie regional talks, including China), presumably because we didn't want to own the problem of NK by ourselves.

Obviously, that hasn't solved the problem. But no one should see this as some sort of diplomatic breakthrough. If Obama had agreed to two-party talks with NK, we would have heard Fox News ranting nonstop about Neville Chamberlain.
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Re: African countries further insulted when Tlllerson yanked from trip
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: March 13, 2018 03:34PM
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pdq
... If Obama had agreed to two-party talks with NK, we would have heard Fox News ranting nonstop about Neville Chamberlain.

FWIW, they are really not sufficiently intelligent to produce that comparison.
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Re: African countries further insulted when Tlllerson yanked from trip
Posted by: $tevie
Date: March 13, 2018 03:55PM
I heard a pundit somewhere, tv or radio I don't even know anymore, say that meeting with the President of the USA is a finish to negotiations, not the starting move. He said this is like a prize for Kim Jong-un, given for doing nothing but send some folks to the Olympics.



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Re: African countries further insulted when Tlllerson yanked from trip
Posted by: hal
Date: March 13, 2018 04:02PM
There is no way that Kim and Trump are gonna meet...
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Re: African countries further insulted when Tlllerson yanked from trip
Posted by: $tevie
Date: March 13, 2018 07:24PM
Oh, I don't think it's going to happen. I just think it's nutty the way people are acting as if it is appropriate and sensible.



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Re: African countries further insulted when Tlllerson yanked from trip
Posted by: Speedy
Date: March 13, 2018 09:12PM
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hal
There is no way that Kim and Trump are gonna meet...

And Pres. Trump will come out smelling like a rose because he gave the up yours to Kim.



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Re: African countries further insulted when Tlllerson yanked from trip
Posted by: gabester
Date: March 13, 2018 09:45PM
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Speedy
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hal
There is no way that Kim and Trump are gonna meet...

And Pres. Trump will come out smelling like a rose because he gave the up yours to Kim.

That's what I'm afraid of... but it seems so unlikely that there are a million wayposts along the way to throw the meeting off - from choosing a "neutral venue" to actually initiating talks.
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Re: African countries further insulted when Tlllerson yanked from trip
Posted by: samintx
Date: March 14, 2018 07:51AM
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$tevie
I heard a pundit somewhere, tv or radio I don't even know anymore, say that meeting with the President of the USA is a finish to negotiations, not the starting move. He said this is like a prize for Kim Jong-un, given for doing nothing but send some folks to the Olympics.

Well, Trump is responsible for the Olympics don't forget that. If it wasn't for him there would have been NO OLYMPICS.RollingEyesSmiley5
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