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man up?!.....Manafort close to pleading guilty....
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: September 14, 2018 08:50AM
.....coming............


Paul Manafort and special counsel close to deal for guilty plea

.....Paul Manafort, the former Trump campaign chairman embattled by criminal indictments, may no longer fight the charges related to his Ukrainian lobbying operation.

He and the special counsel's office are close to a deal for a guilty plea ahead of his upcoming trial, according to a source familiar with the matter. A deal is expected but the source cautioned the two sides have been close before.

The incentive appears to be to reach a deal ahead of a pretrial motion hearing scheduled for Friday and before jury selection begins Monday in DC District Court. That's also a week before Manafort and prosecutors make new filings in Virginia to discuss the charges and convictions he faces there.

A plea Friday would bring to an end to one of the most active criminal cases in the DC federal court system this year. Manafort's lawyers have filed hundreds of pages in courts to fight prosecutors' allegations and have brought two appeals unsuccessfully, and his legal fees mounted to more than a million dollars, according to two people familiar with his case.

Proceedings scheduled for Monday would kick off a second grueling, expensive, politically explosive three-week-or-longer trial in federal court. Manafort faces seven counts of foreign lobbying violations, money laundering conspiracy and witness tampering. The trial was likely to put on display the secret dealings of Washington's lobbying and law firm elite.

Manafort is accused in DC of not disclosing to the Justice Department his work for Ukrainian politicians and laundering that income. Prosecutors allege he set up meetings with lawmakers and fashioned public relations efforts in the US on the Ukrainians' behalf.

A jury convicted Manafort in Virginia last month on eight bank and tax fraud charges related to his lobbying wealth after a three-week trial. The evidence was largely about how he had kept money off his books and relied on others to help him lie to banks and the government. At trial, prosecutors showed how Manafort worked for pro-Russian Ukrainians and funneled millions of dollars in income through Cypriot accounts.

It was not clear if the deal with the special counsel's office would include cooperation. The plea is expected to address both sets of charges he faces -- for the upcoming trial in DC and the 10 counts he still faces in Virginia.

Manafort has not yet entered a new plea before the judge in DC and prosecutors have not yet revealed the terms of any deal reached with him. If a deal comes through, it will likely be announced at the court hearing at 11 a.m. Friday.


Plea signs

In the last few days, the prosecutors' activities shifted from trial preparation to negotiations, according to a person familiar with the case.

Then indications added to the possibility that a plea deal was in the works. Members of Manafort's legal team were spotted spending several hours at the special counsel office's Thursday, even sending a junior member of the defense team to bring lunch inside. Uzo Asonye, a prosecutor who tried Manafort's case in Virginia, was also at the office Thursday.

Several news outlets reported on possible ongoing talks this week. ABC News reported Thursday evening that Manafort had tentatively agreed to a deal.

The judge overseeing his case in DC, Amy Berman Jackson, delayed a major court hearing about his upcoming trial twice this week. First, she moved it from Wednesday to Friday. Then, as lawyers inside the special counsel's office began to leave Thursday, the judge pushed the hearing back another hour and a half Friday morning, giving no reason.


Months of pressure

Manafort has maintained that he is not guilty since special counsel Robert Mueller's office first charged him with foreign lobbying and financial crimes last October. But he has had several reasons to cut a deal. With it, he could lessen the risk of another conviction and of harsh sentences, escape paying thousands of dollars for three or more lawyers to try the case and avoid the attention on himself, his associates and family.

His unwillingness to cooperate with prosecutors since before his indictment has unspooled into several sets of new charges, making his case more complicated.

Adding to the complications in the negotiations, Manafort's legal team has attempted to preserve the possibility of a presidential pardon, the prospect of which a lawyer for President Donald Trump suggested to members of his earlier legal team, according to people briefed on the matter.

After the first indictment in October, the White House distanced itself from Manafort and downplayed his time leading the Trump campaign. But in recent weeks, as Manafort faced a conviction in his related case in Virginia, Trump sympathized with him.

"I feel very badly for Paul Manafort and his wonderful family," the President tweeted the week of his conviction. " 'Justice' took a 12 year old tax case, among other things, applied tremendous pressure on him and, unlike Michael Cohen, he refused to 'break' - make up stories in order to get a 'deal.' Such respect for a brave man!"

Manafort, Trump's top political operative from May to August 2016, has long been considered one of the bigger fish for the special counsel's office to hook in its probe into Russian interference in the 2016 election and possible coordination with the Trump campaign. In addition to the financial and lobbying charges against Manafort, the special counsel's team has said it's investigating allegations he colluded with Russia while working for Trump.

It is not known the extent that Manafort was still in touch with his Russia-friendly clients from Ukraine in 2015 and 2016, though even after his arrest he has stayed in touch with a Russian associate, Konstantin Kilimnik, whom prosecutors say has ties to the country's military intelligence agency.

Speculation that Manafort could flip to help prosecutors has built since his first charge, even leading to a judge in Virginia accusing prosecutors of trying to get Manafort to "sing" and "get" Trump. "You really care about what information Mr. Manafort can give you that would reflect on Mr. Trump or lead to his prosecution or impeachment or whatever. That's what you're really interested in," Judge T.S. Ellis said in court in Virginia in May.

One year under indictment

Over the past months, Manafort's legal options slimmed as the special counsel notched several wins against him, including sending him to jail, securing several cooperators and gaining convictions.

Manafort's case marked the first indictment in Mueller's investigation. The allegations revealed last October reiterated a year of news reports that Manafort had secretly funneled income from Ukrainian lobbying contacts for years.

After his arrest in October, he was detained by the court in his Alexandria, Virginia, home for more than eight months.

Prosecutors pressured Manafort further when they filed new mortgage and tax fraud charges against him in February -- weeks after they discovered he was offering to secure his bail with homes tied up in his alleged mortgage fraud.

At the time, prosecutors gave Manafort the option of keeping all his charges in the DC federal court. Instead, he gambled on splitting the case into two trial tracks, in two demographically different courts.

Prosecutors also gained the cooperation of his longtime associate Rick Gates, who had been indicted alongside him. Gates pleaded guilty in February to helping Manafort use bank accounts in Cyprus and Grenadines to hide millions they had made while lobbying for Ukrainian politicians. Gates testified against Manafort in the Virginia trial, saying his former boss had directed him to commit the fraud.

The special counsel's office added a second potential cooperator against Manafort in late August when another lobbyist for Ukrainians, Sam Patten, pleaded guilty to a foreign lobbying charge. Patten's name is likely to appear in evidence against Manafort, prosecutors said, and he has agreed to help the special counsel's office as part of his plea. Patten worked with Manafort's Russian associate Kilimnik through 2017 and admitted in court to illegally using a straw purchaser to buy Trump inaugural tickets for an oligarch.

In June, prosecutors won another boost when a DC-based grand jury added witness tampering charges to Manafort's indictment.

Manafort and Kilimnik were accused by prosecutors of reaching out to potential witnesses in his case and coaching their possible testimony. Kilimnik has not appeared in US court or entered any plea. He has not been charged with other crimes.

After the witness tampering accusation surfaced, a federal judge in DC revoked Manafort's bail, sending him to jail. He is still being detained in Alexandria.

On August 21, prosecutors won the first conviction of Manafort following the trial. Though the Virginia jurors convicted him of eight counts, they deadlocked on 10 remaining charges, splitting 11 guilty votes to one not guilty. The judge declared a mistrial on those counts. Prosecutors had not yet said what they'd do with those charges, and Manafort had not yet appealed the conviction.



what will happen next...........?!



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Re: man up?!.....Manafort close to pleading guilty....
Posted by: Speedy
Date: September 14, 2018 08:55AM
A pardon is acoming.



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Re: man up?!.....Manafort close to pleading guilty....
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: September 14, 2018 10:37AM
.....Breaking News......he is pleading guilty to 2 criminal counts.....10 deadlocked counts to be dismissed as part of deal..........



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Re: man up?!.....Manafort close to pleading guilty....
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: September 14, 2018 10:39AM
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Re: man up?!.....Manafort close to pleading guilty....
Posted by: pdq
Date: September 14, 2018 10:41AM
Done deal:

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Prosecutors will drop the five remaining charges in DC federal court against Manafort, including money laundering, tax fraud, failing to disclose foreign bank accounts, violating federal foreign lobbying law and lying to the Department of Justice. But the court filing says Manafort admits to the actions.

Manafort had faced seven charges in Washington and faces another 10 possible charges in Virginia which had been declared in mistrial. It's still not clear what will happen to those charges in Virginia federal court. He's already been convicted on eight counts of bank and tax fraud crimes in the Virginia trial.

No word on cooperation.
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Re: man up?!.....Manafort close to pleading guilty....
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: September 14, 2018 10:57AM
Paul Manafort relented to a year of withering legal pressure by pleading guilty to charges brought by Special Counsel Robert Mueller and is providing some cooperation with the U.S. Justice Department

It wasn’t immediately clear the extent of his assistance, but prosecutors said the dismissal of any remaining charges would wait until his sentencing or successful cooperation.
-Bloomberg
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Re: man up?!.....Manafort close to pleading guilty....
Posted by: Ted King
Date: September 14, 2018 11:04AM
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Speedy
A pardon is acoming.

Manifort will likely be given, given his age, what will essentially be a life sentence for the convictions in the earlier trial so there's no point in him trying to beat the charges in the new trial. It would just cost him a lot more money and even with the new sentences on these charges for his guilty plea, he probably won't functionally spend more time in jail. It just makes sense for him to plead guilty to these charges and wait/hope for his pardon from Trump.
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Re: man up?!.....Manafort close to pleading guilty....
Posted by: michaelb
Date: September 14, 2018 11:12AM
This gets complicated and so maybe I have this wrong, but a pardon in the future does not lessen the impact of cooperation on impeachment of Trump now. In order to plead, he gave material info now. He is likely agreeing to be interviewed now or in the near future. They can use him against Trump based on that information given. Trump pardoning doesn't stop that process and doesn't make the info less damaging, and doesn't stop Manafort from being compelled to testify about whatever he is cooperating on in the future at trial including the impeachment trial: it actually prevents him from pleading the fifth so can be forced to testify about everything.

Pardoning him would get him out of whatever sentence was remaining to serve.
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Re: man up?!.....Manafort close to pleading guilty....
Posted by: Ted King
Date: September 14, 2018 11:19AM
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Ted King
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Speedy
A pardon is acoming.

Manifort will likely be given, given his age, what will essentially be a life sentence for the convictions in the earlier trial so there's no point in him trying to beat the charges in the new trial. It would just cost him a lot more money and even with the new sentences on these charges for his guilty plea, he probably won't functionally spend more time in jail. It just makes sense for him to plead guilty to these charges and wait/hope for his pardon from Trump.

Well, it's sounding more and more like Manifort is going to cooperate with Mueller as part of his plea agreement, so... what I said above... never mind.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/14/2018 11:20AM by Ted King.
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Re: man up?!.....Manafort close to pleading guilty....
Posted by: beagledave
Date: September 14, 2018 11:24AM
[twitter.com]

"Prosecutor Andrew Weissmann states that plea deal includes 17 page cooperation agreement"


Tick tock, Donnie.
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Re: man up?!.....Manafort close to pleading guilty....
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: September 14, 2018 11:38AM
"I feel very badly for Paul Manafort and his wonderful family. “Justice” took a 12 year old tax case, among other things, applied tremendous pressure on him and, unlike Michael Cohen, he refused to “break” - make up stories in order to get a “deal.” Such respect for a brave man!"
-Donald J. Trump on Twitter, August 22, 2018
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Re: man up?!.....Manafort close to pleading guilty....
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: September 14, 2018 11:51AM
clever comment:
Looks like this “witch hunt” has thoroughly scoped out Hogwarts, and is now closing in on the Ministry of Magic.
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Re: man up?!.....Manafort close to pleading guilty....
Posted by: samintx
Date: September 14, 2018 01:10PM
I've got to sit down and do some serious reading to figure this plea out.
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Re: man up?!.....Manafort close to pleading guilty....
Posted by: Speedy
Date: September 14, 2018 01:20PM
That is my understanding, that a pardon does not relieve anyone from being compelled to testify. But if they refused, could their contempt citation not also be pardoned away like Arpaio's was? State charges, always keep the option for state charges, and Manafort still faces state charges.

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michaelb
This gets complicated and so maybe I have this wrong, but a pardon in the future does not lessen the impact of cooperation on impeachment of Trump now. In order to plead, he gave material info now. He is likely agreeing to be interviewed now or in the near future. They can use him against Trump based on that information given. Trump pardoning doesn't stop that process and doesn't make the info less damaging, and doesn't stop Manafort from being compelled to testify about whatever he is cooperating on in the future at trial including the impeachment trial: it actually prevents him from pleading the fifth so can be forced to testify about everything.

Pardoning him would get him out of whatever sentence was remaining to serve.



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Re: man up?!.....Manafort close to pleading guilty....
Posted by: Speedy
Date: September 14, 2018 02:47PM
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Speedy
That is my understanding, that a pardon does not relieve anyone from being compelled to testify. But if they refused, could their contempt citation not also be pardoned away like Arpaio's was? State charges, always keep the option for state charges, and Manafort still faces state charges.

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michaelb
This gets complicated and so maybe I have this wrong, but a pardon in the future does not lessen the impact of cooperation on impeachment of Trump now. In order to plead, he gave material info now. He is likely agreeing to be interviewed now or in the near future. They can use him against Trump based on that information given. Trump pardoning doesn't stop that process and doesn't make the info less damaging, and doesn't stop Manafort from being compelled to testify about whatever he is cooperating on in the future at trial including the impeachment trial: it actually prevents him from pleading the fifth so can be forced to testify about everything.

Pardoning him would get him out of whatever sentence was remaining to serve.

[www.washingtonpost.com]



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Re: man up?!.....Manafort close to pleading guilty....
Posted by: steve...
Date: September 14, 2018 03:52PM
Imagining what Trumpo and his clan must be thinking now gives me great pleasure. grinning smiley




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Re: man up?!.....Manafort close to pleading guilty....
Posted by: sekker
Date: September 14, 2018 04:41PM
Rumor is that he doesn't have to talk directly about his time with the Trump campaign.
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Re: man up?!.....Manafort close to pleading guilty....
Posted by: rjmacs
Date: September 15, 2018 02:10PM
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Speedy
That is my understanding, that a pardon does not relieve anyone from being compelled to testify. But if they refused, could their contempt citation not also be pardoned away like Arpaio's was? State charges, always keep the option for state charges, and Manafort still faces state charges.


Criminal and civil contempt aren't the same thing, and in this case a civil contempt finding (refusing to obey a lawful order of the court, e.g. complying with his binding plea agreement) could keep Manafort in a jail cell until he elected to cooperate.That can't be pardoned by anyone but the judge or a higher court.



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Re: man up?!.....Manafort close to pleading guilty....
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: September 15, 2018 02:36PM
The WH is protesting too much on this one...they have no way to know what Manafort is going to tell Mueller's team. Maybe he was dealing on Russia's behalf without Trump's knowledge or consent. Maybe he tricked Jared and Don jr into attending the infamous Trump Tower meeting with Russians...we know he's a liar and a criminal..but Trump picked him to manage the campaign (with no salary) for some reason. I think we're a lot closer to finding out that reason.


"Mueller may be directly interested in what Manafort, who led the Trump campaign from April through August 2016, can describe about the campaign’s interactions with Russians.


As campaign chairman, Manafort personally offered private briefings about the campaign to the Russian industrialist Oleg Deripaska. He was present for campaign interactions with Russian operatives. He was present when the Republican party amended its platform to remove a call for arming Ukrainian forces in their showdown with Russia.

Manafort attended a June 2016 meeting with Russians at Trump Tower set up by Donald Trump Jr. He received emails from the former Trump aide George Papadopoulos, who had been informed that Russia had “dirt” on Hillary Clinton. He was campaign chairman when WikiLeaks began publishing emails stolen from the Democratic National Committee by hackers that US intelligence has linked to Russia. He may have knowledge of Trump’s business relationships in Russia. He may have been party to campaign conversations about how to handle news of the Russia investigation.

“Manafort essentially took over the campaign as of mid-April 2016 and was Trump’s go-to man during a critical period of the campaign,” De la Vega told the Guardian. “Reporting shows that Trump called Manafort 20 times a day and, of course, Manafort knows the whole story of the Trump Tower meeting and events before and after.”

[www.theguardian.com]
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Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: September 15, 2018 02:37PM
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sekker
Rumor is that he doesn't have to talk directly about his time with the Trump campaign.

He has to reveal any criminal activity he has witnessed.
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Re: man up?!.....Manafort close to pleading guilty....
Posted by: pdq
Date: September 15, 2018 04:45PM
He also probably knows whether or not Trump knew about the Russian meeting and it’s purpose.
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Posted by: Sarcany
Date: September 15, 2018 05:30PM
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pdq
He also probably knows whether or not Trump knew about the Russian meeting and it’s purpose.

The meetings that Drumpf already admitted to knowing about, admitted were to get dirt on Clinton from the Russians, admitted to covering up and admitted to dictating his son's statement on the matter that was full of fibs?

What are they looking for at this point? HD video of the whole thing??



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Posted by: Speedy
Date: September 15, 2018 05:44PM
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Sarcany
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pdq
He also probably knows whether or not Trump knew about the Russian meeting and it’s purpose.

The meetings that Drumpf already admitted to knowing about, admitted were to get dirt on Clinton from the Russians, admitted to covering up and admitted to dictating his son's statement on the matter that was full of fibs?

What are they looking for at this point? HD video of the whole thing??

So Manafort must have something even better than video to offer Mueller.



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Re: man up?!.....Manafort close to pleading guilty....
Posted by: Sarcany
Date: September 15, 2018 06:08PM
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Speedy
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Sarcany
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pdq
He also probably knows whether or not Trump knew about the Russian meeting and it’s purpose.

The meetings that Drumpf already admitted to knowing about, admitted were to get dirt on Clinton from the Russians, admitted to covering up and admitted to dictating his son's statement on the matter that was full of fibs?

What are they looking for at this point? HD video of the whole thing??

So Manafort must have something even better than video to offer Mueller.

I think that he and Cohen have got evidence of money laundering and other stuff that could get Drumpf 50 years and a few million bucks in fines for racketeering.

The big question is whether anyone with the power would try to prosecute a sitting -- or former -- president.



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Re: man up?!.....Manafort close to pleading guilty....
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: September 15, 2018 08:19PM
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Sarcany
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Speedy
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Sarcany
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pdq
He also probably knows whether or not Trump knew about the Russian meeting and it’s purpose.

The meetings that Drumpf already admitted to knowing about, admitted were to get dirt on Clinton from the Russians, admitted to covering up and admitted to dictating his son's statement on the matter that was full of fibs?

What are they looking for at this point? HD video of the whole thing??

So Manafort must have something even better than video to offer Mueller.

I think that he and Cohen have got evidence of money laundering and other stuff that could get Drumpf 50 years and a few million bucks in fines for racketeering.

The big question is whether anyone with the power would try to prosecute a sitting -- or former -- president.


But now we'll have Kavanaugh on the court to keep the GOP safe, as he's done his entire career.
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Re: man up?!.....Manafort close to pleading guilty....
Posted by: Ted King
Date: September 15, 2018 08:36PM
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Sarcany

I think that he and Cohen have got evidence of money laundering and other stuff that could get Drumpf 50 years and a few million bucks in fines for racketeering.

The big question is whether anyone with the power would try to prosecute a sitting -- or former -- president.

cbelt has posted about Trump having possibly been involved in money laundering of Russian mob-kleptocrat ill gotten gains through purchase of many of Trump's properties (e.g., condos that Trump sells in the buildings he buys). If he has been doing that then Cohen and Manafort may very well have information about it that Mueller can use.
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Posted by: sekker
Date: September 15, 2018 09:18PM
Mueller would not have offered the deal unless Manafort had some genuinely useful information. It's going to be interesting.
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Re: man up?!.....Manafort close to pleading guilty....
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: September 16, 2018 11:05AM
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sekker
Mueller would not have offered the deal unless Manafort had some genuinely useful information. It's going to be interesting.

Yep. If it's "I told Trump that the Russian gov't wanted to help him defeat Hillary and he said great let's talk to them" then we have evidence of collusion and I doubt Manafort spends more than 18 months at a Club Fed.

But if it's nothing more than Trump realized his kids made a mistake and he tried to cover for them, and then fired Manafort for leading them astray, which is what the evidence shows now, that's not going anywhere.

If it's evidence that Trump participated in money laundering with Russian crooks before he became President, I'm not sure that will get him impeached unless it directly ties to the election. Seems horrible but I think the public accepted on a certain level that Donald Trump is shady and as long as he keeps handing out goodies like deregulation and tax cuts, they don't care. Republicans in Congress definitely don't.
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Posted by: Sarcany
Date: September 16, 2018 11:14AM
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Lemon Drop
If it's evidence that Trump participated in money laundering with Russian crooks before he became President, I'm not sure that will get him impeached unless it directly ties to the election. Seems horrible but I think the public accepted on a certain level that Donald Trump is shady and as long as he keeps handing out goodies like deregulation and tax cuts, they don't care. Republicans in Congress definitely don't.

The AG in New York will be interested.

Of course, if they bring charges while he's in office, the question of whether they could prosecute would have to go before the Supreme Court...



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Posted by: sekker
Date: September 16, 2018 01:14PM
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Sarcany
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Lemon Drop
If it's evidence that Trump participated in money laundering with Russian crooks before he became President, I'm not sure that will get him impeached unless it directly ties to the election. Seems horrible but I think the public accepted on a certain level that Donald Trump is shady and as long as he keeps handing out goodies like deregulation and tax cuts, they don't care. Republicans in Congress definitely don't.

The AG in New York will be interested.

Of course, if they bring charges while he's in office, the question of whether they could prosecute would have to go before the Supreme Court...

Are you SURE we aren't in a Banana Republic?!
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Posted by: Sarcany
Date: September 16, 2018 04:57PM
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sekker
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Sarcany
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Lemon Drop
If it's evidence that Trump participated in money laundering with Russian crooks before he became President, I'm not sure that will get him impeached unless it directly ties to the election. Seems horrible but I think the public accepted on a certain level that Donald Trump is shady and as long as he keeps handing out goodies like deregulation and tax cuts, they don't care. Republicans in Congress definitely don't.

The AG in New York will be interested.

Of course, if they bring charges while he's in office, the question of whether they could prosecute would have to go before the Supreme Court...

Are you SURE we aren't in a Banana Republic?!

No.

If you assume that our major export is the dollar, the similarities are staggering.
[en.wikipedia.org]



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