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theamericanconservative.com: America Is Headed For Military Defeat in Afghanistan
Posted by: hal
Date: November 30, 2018 03:19PM
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America Is Headed For Military Defeat in Afghanistan
It is time to acknowledge this is more than political. We can lose on the battlefield, and it's happening right now.

Consider this: the U.S. military has advised, assisted, battled, and bombed in Afghanistan for 17-plus years. Ground troop levels have fluctuated from lows of some 10,000 to upwards of 100,000 servicemen and women. None of that has achieved more than a tie, a bloody stalemate. Now, in the 18th year of this conflict, the Kabul-Washington coalition’s military is outright losing.

Let’s begin with the broader measures. The Taliban controls or contests more districts—some 44 percent—than at any time since the 2001 invasion. Total combatant and civilian casualties are forecasted to top 20,000 this year—another dreadful broken record. What’s more, Afghan military casualties are frankly unsustainable: the Taliban are killing more than the government can recruit. The death rates are staggering, numbering 5,500 fatalities in 2015, 6,700 in 2016, and an estimate (the number is newly classified) of “about 10,000” in 2017. Well, some might ask, what about American airpower—can’t that help stem the Taliban tide? Hardly. In 2018, as security deteriorated and the Taliban made substantial gains, the U.S. actually dropped more bombs than in any other year of the war. It appears that nothing stands in the way of impending military defeat.


I've mentioned her before, but you should be following my cousin's twitter feed - that's how I find articles like this. [twitter.com] She's been noting the various Taliban victories the last year or so.
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Re: theamericanconservative.com: America Is Headed For Military Defeat in Afghanistan
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: November 30, 2018 03:27PM
This article is indicative of the cluelessness that 'conservatives' have about Afghanistan.

1- There is NO "Afghanistan". Never was. Never will be. There are loose alliances of tribes that are scattered through the mountain valleys. The Taliban are one such large alliance.

2- NO invading force has EVER been able to 'conquer' all of Afghanistan. We're talking Alexander the Great, Ghengis Khan, the British, the Soviets, the US... Kipling's commentary on the British soldier's experiences in Afghanistan are still true to this day.

3- The US forces in Afghanistan have been 'nation building' and have not been allowed to 'do battle'. There is no war. There is a force of 'advisers' and 'security personnel', but there ain't no war.

"When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains,
And the women come out to cut up what remains,
Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
An' go to your Gawd like a soldier.
Go, go, go like a soldier,
Go, go, go like a soldier,
Go, go, go like a soldier,
So-oldier of the Queen!"
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Re: theamericanconservative.com: America Is Headed For Military Defeat in Afghanistan
Posted by: Speedy
Date: November 30, 2018 07:23PM
Get in, kill bin Laden, get out. Bush had him cornered in Tora Bora and let him get away.



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Re: theamericanconservative.com: America Is Headed For Military Defeat in Afghanistan
Posted by: bfd
Date: November 30, 2018 07:26PM
Keeping those caissons rolling keeps the military-industrial complex rolling …
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Re: theamericanconservative.com: America Is Headed For Military Defeat in Afghanistan
Posted by: Carnos Jax
Date: December 01, 2018 12:48AM
That 'little' diversion in Iraq didn't help much either.
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Re: theamericanconservative.com: America Is Headed For Military Defeat in Afghanistan
Posted by: max
Date: December 01, 2018 08:54AM
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Speedy
Get in, kill bin Laden, get out. Bush had him cornered in Tora Bora and let him get away.

Get in, kill bin Laden, declare victory, get out.
Obama got bin Laden, did not get out of Afghanistan, too much money in a good, steady war.

And it was very good for the Clinton campaign...
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Re: theamericanconservative.com: America Is Headed For Military Defeat in Afghanistan
Posted by: deckeda
Date: December 01, 2018 09:27AM
Keep the machines of war going, but without large casualty losses that would show up on the nightly news/YouTube.

It’s Vietnam Lite, with the same inability to admit failure.
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Re: theamericanconservative.com: America Is Headed For Military Defeat in Afghanistan
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: December 01, 2018 10:47AM
It was hard for Obama to change direction after 7 years of disastrous management by 43. The feckless local government control and U.S. MIC machine had become too entrenched.



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Re: theamericanconservative.com: America Is Headed For Military Defeat in Afghanistan
Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: December 01, 2018 12:16PM




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Re: theamericanconservative.com: America Is Headed For Military Defeat in Afghanistan
Posted by: max
Date: December 02, 2018 03:09AM
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Filliam H. Muffman
It was hard for Obama to change direction after 7 years of disastrous management by 43. The feckless local government control and U.S. MIC machine had become too entrenched.
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Lux Interior
Oh, look a squirrell..

Excuses, excuses, excuses, yet a solution was always there.....

Everybody knew that Afghanistan will revert into the same mess we found there,
the very same mess we aimed for with Dhimmy Carter's (pbuh) policies of jihadi support, in the first place.

But then we were promised by the Democrats Hope And Change.
There was a chance to do something different..
And Obama had that chance, after he killed bin Laden,
Instead of providing military protection to the Chinese mining conglomerates,
Obama could have declared victory and gotten us out of the ever deepening morass.
Of all people Afghans understand the concept of revenge.




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"We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means, it is an end.
One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution;
one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship."
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