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NC 9th: elections board refusing to certify the results
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: December 03, 2018 09:52PM
Over possible shenanigans related to absentee ballots.

Republican was ahead by around 900 votes on election night.

Before election day, in rural counties somebody was going around knocking on doors telling residents they were picking up absentee ballots, which is illegal. Many of those were unsigned and incomplete. Some ballots have the same witness signature on dozens of ballots. The Republican candidate hired a guy (convicted felon) who specializes in absentee ballot election strategies.

[www.charlotteobserver.com]
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Re: NC 9th: elections board refusing to certify the results
Posted by: Ted King
Date: December 03, 2018 10:06PM
Was this largely the work of a rogue operator or was this done in collusion with the state Republican Party or the campaign of the Republican candidate or the Republican candidate himself or all of the above?

That seems like a question that should become a high priority to answer. If it's a completely rogue operator, then slam him in jail and re-vote. If there is strong evidence that the Republican candidate or his campaign or anyone else closely associated with them was involved, then I think it would be worth waiting a bit on the vote so that voters have some solid facts to work with about the Republican candidate before they re-vote. I think there should be a re-vote no matter what, though.
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Re: NC 9th: elections board refusing to certify the results
Posted by: hal
Date: December 03, 2018 10:19PM
from the art:

Dowless was paid by the Harris campaign as a contractor for the candidate’s top consultant, according to The Charlotte Observer.

“He was an independent contractor who worked on grassroots for the campaign, independent of the campaign ... as he’s done for a number of campaigns over the years,” said Andy Yates, Harris’ top strategist and the founder of Red Dome Group.


DAYUM! What next? A new election?
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Re: NC 9th: elections board refusing to certify the results
Posted by: Ted King
Date: December 03, 2018 10:52PM
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hal
from the art:

Dowless was paid by the Harris campaign as a contractor for the candidate’s top consultant, according to The Charlotte Observer.

“He was an independent contractor who worked on grassroots for the campaign, independent of the campaign ... as he’s done for a number of campaigns over the years,” said Andy Yates, Harris’ top strategist and the founder of Red Dome Group.


DAYUM! What next? A new election?

I shoulda read the link. sad smiley
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Re: NC 9th: elections board refusing to certify the results
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: December 04, 2018 05:03AM
The Republican candidate may have also "engineered" his very narrow and suspicious primary win with the help of these same tactics.

He's this guy:
[forums.macresource.com]

Baptist preacher turned politician.

His Dem opponent would be a really great Congressman. If the investigation shows fraud, the voters deserve a re-do and I agree with Ted there should be plenty of time to expose what the candidate knew about this.
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Re: NC 9th: elections board refusing to certify the results
Posted by: deckeda
Date: December 04, 2018 07:34AM
Perhaps it's my lack of coffee this morning, but how is someone both paid by a campaign and independent of it?

Do people get hired to just do "whatever," without any expectation of an outcome?

Nice work if you can get it.
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Re: NC 9th: elections board refusing to certify the results
Posted by: rjmacs
Date: December 04, 2018 08:26AM
Very old racist tactics in vogue again. These tactics have been popular since the 1860s.



rj
AKA
Vreemac, Moth of the Future




Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/04/2018 08:27AM by rjmacs.
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Re: NC 9th: elections board refusing to certify the results
Posted by: Speedy
Date: December 04, 2018 09:44AM
Still, hard to overcome a 900 vote lead unless thousands of voters come forward with that complaint. 50 votes, yes, 900, no. When was the last time there was a do-over anywhere?



Saint Cloud, Minnesota, where the weather is wonderful even when it isn't.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/04/2018 09:46AM by Speedy.
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Re: NC 9th: elections board refusing to certify the results
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: December 04, 2018 11:22AM
The problem with a do-over is who gets to vote? Everyone (who now know the results of the first time that many ignored) or just those who voted the first time? In either case there will be a lawsuit in both state and federal courts tying everything up.

Maybe just disqualify those that were forged, or have questionable ballots redone?



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-- François de La Rochefoucauld

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Re: NC 9th: elections board refusing to certify the results
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: December 04, 2018 11:41AM
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Speedy
Still, hard to overcome a 900 vote lead unless thousands of voters come forward with that complaint. 50 votes, yes, 900, no. When was the last time there was a do-over anywhere?

The Charlotte Observer's analysis found it was mathematically possible for the election to go to the Dem as a result of the recount.

The NC GOP made false claims that the race was settled and the outcome could not be reversed.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/04/2018 11:49AM by Lemon Drop.
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Re: NC 9th: elections board refusing to certify the results
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: December 04, 2018 11:48AM
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Ombligo
The problem with a do-over is who gets to vote? Everyone (who now know the results of the first time that many ignored) or just those who voted the first time? In either case there will be a lawsuit in both state and federal courts tying everything up.

Maybe just disqualify those that were forged, or have questionable ballots redone?

All registered voters would have the opportunity to vote in a do-over. Nothing else would be fair, or legal. It's up to the state's election board if they want to have a new election rather than certify this one.

In separate emails to PolitiFact, they pointed to NC General Statutes Section 163A-1181 with regards to “New elections.” The law says the state elections board can order a new election by majority vote if “irregularities or improprieties occurred to such an extent that they taint the results of the entire election and cast doubt on its fairness.”

It's not clear if that is the direction this will take because the first step will be public evidentiary hearings:

Good detailed run down on what is happening, as of this morning, here:

[www.charlotteobserver.com]
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Re: NC 9th: elections board refusing to certify the results
Posted by: Speedy
Date: December 04, 2018 02:43PM
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Lemon Drop
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Speedy
Still, hard to overcome a 900 vote lead unless thousands of voters come forward with that complaint. 50 votes, yes, 900, no. When was the last time there was a do-over anywhere?

The Charlotte Observer's analysis found it was mathematically possible for the election to go to the Dem as a result of the recount.

The NC GOP made false claims that the race was settled and the outcome could not be reversed.

Mathematically possible sounds a lot like if 95% of the disputed ballots went for the Democrat. It just isn’t going to happen - unless the House refuses to sit the Republican. But then the Republican will easily win a do-over because of voter backlash. North Carolinians hate Congress more than they hate a dirty politician. Live with the Republican for two years and then the Democrat will win the next election.



Saint Cloud, Minnesota, where the weather is wonderful even when it isn't.
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Re: NC 9th: elections board refusing to certify the results
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: December 05, 2018 07:41PM
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Speedy
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Lemon Drop
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Speedy
Still, hard to overcome a 900 vote lead unless thousands of voters come forward with that complaint. 50 votes, yes, 900, no. When was the last time there was a do-over anywhere?

The Charlotte Observer's analysis found it was mathematically possible for the election to go to the Dem as a result of the recount.

The NC GOP made false claims that the race was settled and the outcome could not be reversed.

Mathematically possible sounds a lot like if 95% of the disputed ballots went for the Democrat. It just isn’t going to happen - unless the House refuses to sit the Republican. But then the Republican will easily win a do-over because of voter backlash. North Carolinians hate Congress more than they hate a dirty politician. Live with the Republican for two years and then the Democrat will win the next election.

There are thousands of ballots in dispute, across several counties. Subpoenas have been issued and the investigation is underway, with a pretty strong call for a new election at this point. I don't think the outcome of the Nov. election is even going to matter that much.
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