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Russia Is Attacking the U.S. System From Within
Posted by: Speedy
Date: February 03, 2019 07:45PM
“A new filing by Special Counsel Robert Mueller shows how Russia uses the federal courts to go after its adversaries.”

[www.theatlantic.com]

“A new court filing submitted on Wednesday by Special Counsel Robert Mueller revealed that a Russian troll farm currently locked in a legal battle over its alleged interference in the 2016 election appeared to wage yet another disinformation campaign late last year—this time targeting Mueller himself.

According to the filing, the special counsel’s office turned over 1 million pages of evidence to lawyers for Concord Management and Consulting as part of the discovery process. The firm is accused of funding the troll farm, known as the Internet Research Agency. But someone connected to Concord allegedly manipulated the documents and leaked them to reporters, hoping the documents would make people think that Mueller’s evidence against the troll farm and its owners was flimsy. The tactic didn’t seem to convince anyone, but it appeared to mark yet another example of Russia exploiting the U.S. justice system to undercut its rivals abroad.

Last year, I detailed how Russia has figured out how to use the U.S. immigration courts and so-called red notices issued by Interpol to harass and even detain its enemies. But it doesn’t end there. Experts say Kremlin proxies have targeted their rivals and other disfavored individuals by exploiting U.S. courts to pursue bogus claims via “superficially legitimate lawsuits,” Anders Aslund, a resident senior fellow at the Atlantic Council, said in a recent report. He worked as an economic adviser to the Russian government from 1991 to 1994. The Kremlin proxies have done so not only to perpetuate global harassment campaigns against their perceived enemies, Aslund argued, but also to “enrich themselves through bad faith claims made possible by the Russian state’s abuse of disfavored individuals and their businesses.”



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Re: Russia Is Attacking the U.S. System From Within
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: February 03, 2019 08:08PM
Mueller is brilliant - thank God for him. Our economy is like 20 times bigger than Russia's, how can we be so systemically vulnerable to them? It's crazy.
That behavior the article describes is pretty convoluted but my main takeaway was this part:

the problem is that while the U.S. courts operate in good faith to assist Russian authorities, the Russian courts frequently do not. “Our courts act like, and think that, they are operating on the same type of playing field as the Russians,” Estlund said. “But they’re not. The system there is completely different from here. And when the courts are properly responding to what appears to be a legally authorized request for assistance with discovery, often what they’re doing is assisting with an extremely corrupt court proceeding.” Another lawyer who follows this phenomenon closely and requested anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the press echoed Estlund’s assessment. “The Russians have figured out how to weaponize this,” he said. “We have this tremendous system of justice here, which isn’t equipped to address nonjudicial questions like ‘Is this litigant seeking to abuse our entire judicial system?’ ”
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Re: Russia Is Attacking the U.S. System From Within
Posted by: max
Date: February 03, 2019 10:19PM
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Lemon Drop
Our economy is like 20 times bigger than Russia's, how can we be so systemically vulnerable to them? It's crazy.

We are not.
You almost got it, Lemon, you were right there on the verge of being rational

and then you went back to the absolute bs narrative sold by a sore loser and her party....




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Re: Russia Is Attacking the U.S. System From Within
Posted by: mattkime
Date: February 03, 2019 11:09PM
what the hell are you talking about?

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max
and then you went back to the absolute bs narrative sold by a sore loser and her party....



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Re: Russia Is Attacking the U.S. System From Within
Posted by: vision63
Date: February 04, 2019 01:53AM
"We have 17 intelligence agencies – civilian and military – who have all concluded that these espionage attacks come from the highest levels of the Kremlin." 2016

It's called not listening.
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Re: Russia Is Attacking the U.S. System From Within
Posted by: sekker
Date: February 04, 2019 02:20AM
How Russia has such influence despite its economy smaller than Texas.


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Re: Russia Is Attacking the U.S. System From Within
Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: February 04, 2019 06:59AM
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mattkime
what the hell are you talking about?

The usual delusions.

Next will be a rant about how you didn't vote for Bernie in the general election, even though he was not on the ballot.
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Re: Russia Is Attacking the U.S. System From Within
Posted by: rjmacs
Date: February 04, 2019 08:14AM
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Lemon Drop
Mueller is brilliant - thank God for him. Our economy is like 20 times bigger than Russia's, how can we be so systemically vulnerable to them? It's crazy.
That behavior the article describes is pretty convoluted but my main takeaway was this part:

the problem is that while the U.S. courts operate in good faith to assist Russian authorities, the Russian courts frequently do not. “Our courts act like, and think that, they are operating on the same type of playing field as the Russians,” Estlund said. “But they’re not. The system there is completely different from here. And when the courts are properly responding to what appears to be a legally authorized request for assistance with discovery, often what they’re doing is assisting with an extremely corrupt court proceeding.” Another lawyer who follows this phenomenon closely and requested anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the press echoed Estlund’s assessment. “The Russians have figured out how to weaponize this,” he said. “We have this tremendous system of justice here, which isn’t equipped to address nonjudicial questions like ‘Is this litigant seeking to abuse our entire judicial system?’ ”

Russia has gotten really smart at exploiting the strengths of democracy (openness, freedom of speech, a robust civil law system, etc.) to blow pure oxygen on embers of discontent and populist rage. They've learned to use the tools that pro-democracy citizens developed for the purpose of defending and reforming democratic institutions to achieve a different end: to pry apart the foundations of civic trust that make democracy possible.



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Re: Russia Is Attacking the U.S. System From Within
Posted by: Acer
Date: February 04, 2019 09:14AM
History repeats:
The printing press liberated Europe from monarchies and the Church.
Then the printing press was abused to prop up fascism, the Nazis (Godwin!) and communism.
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Re: Russia Is Attacking the U.S. System From Within
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: February 04, 2019 09:40AM
Our economy is like 20 times bigger than Russia's, how can we be so systemically vulnerable to them? It's crazy.

It was a rhetorical question. The original story mentioned in the OP is way more interesting.
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Re: Russia Is Attacking the U.S. System From Within
Posted by: Kraniac
Date: February 04, 2019 11:22AM
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max
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Lemon Drop
Our economy is like 20 times bigger than Russia's, how can we be so systemically vulnerable to them? It's crazy.

We are not.
You almost got it, Lemon, you were right there on the verge of being rational

and then you went back to the absolute bs narrative sold by a sore loser and her party....


Max, please don't be full of @#$%&. I actually think you're smarter than that. Think for yourself..you are being a little pawn here..told to believe something and then blindly and robotically disseminating.

Learn to be critical of your own side..When Obama was President he was widely and deeply criticized by huge numbers of folks in his own party..not to mention, black folks who saw a sellout...

You are being played.

sincerely,

not a hillary fan
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Re: Russia Is Attacking the U.S. System From Within
Posted by: bfd
Date: February 04, 2019 02:01PM
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Kraniac
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max
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Lemon Drop
Our economy is like 20 times bigger than Russia's, how can we be so systemically vulnerable to them? It's crazy.

We are not.
You almost got it, Lemon, you were right there on the verge of being rational

and then you went back to the absolute bs narrative sold by a sore loser and her party....


Max, please don't be full of schitt.
You are being played.

He truly can't help it … as the evidence in this and many other threads would strongly suggest.
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Re: Russia Is Attacking the U.S. System From Within
Posted by: max
Date: February 04, 2019 06:58PM
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Kraniac
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max
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Lemon Drop
Our economy is like 20 times bigger than Russia's, how can we be so systemically vulnerable to them? It's crazy.

We are not.
You almost got it, Lemon, you were right there on the verge of being rational

and then you went back to the absolute bs narrative sold by a sore loser and her party....


Max, please don't be full of @#$%&. I actually think you're smarter than that. Think for yourself..you are being a little pawn here..told to believe something and then blindly and robotically disseminating.

Learn to be critical of your own side..When Obama was President he was widely and deeply criticized by huge numbers of folks in his own party..not to mention, black folks who saw a sellout...

You are being played.

sincerely,

not a hillary fan
What do you think is my side, Kraniac?
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