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It appears we may have a deal
Posted by: pdq
Date: February 11, 2019 08:19PM
WaPo:

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The deal calls for $1.375 billion for border barriers (55 new miles of bollard fencing, with certain restrictions on location). Democrats have dropped their call for a new cap on interior detention beds, and the overall cap on detention beds drops from 49,057 to 40,520.

That sounds like a reasonable compromise to me, personally.

And Cheeto can send the bill to Mexico

(...if he wants to be embarrassed, again...)
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Re: It appears we may have a deal
Posted by: bfd
Date: February 11, 2019 09:01PM
The orange man is stuck on $5.7 billion. He won't see this as a win - which is all that matters to him.
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Re: It appears we may have a deal
Posted by: steve...
Date: February 11, 2019 09:11PM
Limbaugh, Coulter, and Fox News will need to OK it also.




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Re: It appears we may have a deal
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: February 11, 2019 09:41PM
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bfd
The orange man is stuck on $5.7 billion. He won't see this as a win - which is all that matters to him.

He could sign this into law and still pull his "national emergency" stunt to get the rest of the money.
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Re: It appears we may have a deal
Posted by: davester
Date: February 11, 2019 11:50PM
I'm actually thinking that the democrats should not have agreed to this deal. Let the orange emperor shut down the government again and watch as the republican party completely implodes. The dems should have stuck to their guns and continued to have declared the wall and immigrant detention immoral. IMHO this was not a conflict to be resolved with compromise.



"In science it often happens that scientists say, 'You know that's a really good argument; my position is mistaken,' and then they would actually change their minds and you never hear that old view from them again. They really do it. It doesn't happen as often as it should, because scientists are human and change is sometimes painful. But it happens every day. I cannot recall the last time something like that happened in politics or religion." (1987) -- Carl Sagan
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Re: It appears we may have a deal
Posted by: hal
Date: February 11, 2019 11:59PM
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davester
I'm actually thinking that the democrats should not have agreed to this deal. Let the orange emperor shut down the government again and watch as the republican party completely implodes. The dems should have stuck to their guns and continued to have declared the wall and immigrant detention immoral. IMHO this was not a conflict to be resolved with compromise.

I disagree - if everyone has a deal that they can live with EXCEPT Trump and he closes the gov't, it is ENTIRELY on him. And the repubs will have no choice but to bolt from Trump if he tries to close the gov't
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Re: It appears we may have a deal
Posted by: GGD
Date: February 12, 2019 12:42AM
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hal
I disagree - if everyone has a deal that they can live with EXCEPT Trump and he closes the gov't, it is ENTIRELY on him. And the repubs will have no choice but to bolt from Trump if he tries to close the gov't

In December, everyone had a deal they could live with, except Ann Coulter and then Trump. And he shut down the gov't and the repubs didn't bolt, they backed him.

All it takes is for Ann Coulter to veto this again and we're back to where we were in December.
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Re: It appears we may have a deal
Posted by: Acer
Date: February 12, 2019 08:31AM
Shutdown blame is a tricky thing. Democrats kept the high ground the first time, but eventually BothSidesAreBad kicks in and overwhelms the gains.
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Re: It appears we may have a deal
Posted by: max
Date: February 12, 2019 08:53AM
So the Dems sold the immigration reform down the river, again?....
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Re: It appears we may have a deal
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: February 12, 2019 10:00AM
Deal or no deal
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Re: It appears we may have a deal
Posted by: Ted King
Date: February 12, 2019 10:19AM
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Acer
Shutdown blame is a tricky thing. Democrats kept the high ground the first time, but eventually BothSidesAreBad kicks in and overwhelms the gains.

Yep, that was a danger.
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Re: It appears we may have a deal
Posted by: pdq
Date: February 12, 2019 10:34AM
McCarthy is desperately trying to spin this as a Dem cave, for his audience of one:

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House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy said Tuesday the tentative government funding deal shows that Democrats caved on President Donald Trump's demand for a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's office immediately fired back.

..."Democrats have supported physical barriers in the past...This agreement has the same amount of funding for physical barriers that last year's omnibus had," [pointed out Pelosi’s chief of staff]

You know - the one everyone had agreed on before Cheeto had his fit?

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"The Democrats changed course when they said, 'There would be no detention beds,'" McCarthy said. "They backed away on that. Now we are able to have those detention beds again. It's not as high a number as we would have liked."

A senior Democratic aide told CNBC that Democrats never advocated for "no detention beds," adding the reduction in beds in the tentative deal provides a "critical check on the Trump administration's mass deportation agenda."

Shh! Don’t let you-know-who hear you. Will Trump’s fragile ego be sufficiently soothed? Hannity doesn’t like it, but maybe Trump will turn off the Faux News for once?

Seems unlikely. But if the Orange one turns this down, or tries to supplement it with a national emergency declaration, it’ll all be on him. And if the Senate GOP doesn’t overrule him, they’ll reap the benefits of yet another GOP shutdown and subsequent cave, as always.
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Re: It appears we may have a deal
Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: February 12, 2019 11:12AM
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pdq
Hannity doesn’t like it

We still haven't heard from the other co-presidents; Coulter & Limbaugh.
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Re: It appears we may have a deal
Posted by: pdq
Date: February 12, 2019 01:09PM
Not that her opinion matters in the slightest, but

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Ann Coulter tweet

Trump talks a good game on the border wall but it's increasingly clear he's afraid to fight for it. Call this his "Yellow New Deal."

wink smiley
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Re: It appears we may have a deal
Posted by: rjmacs
Date: February 12, 2019 02:43PM
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Lemon Drop
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bfd
The orange man is stuck on $5.7 billion. He won't see this as a win - which is all that matters to him.

He could sign this into law and still pull his "national emergency" stunt to get the rest of the money.

If he were telegraphing this any harder, he would probably have to put a yuuuuuuuge Morse key on the lectern when he speaks.



rj
AKA
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Re: It appears we may have a deal
Posted by: mrbigstuff
Date: February 12, 2019 08:00PM
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Ted King
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Acer
Shutdown blame is a tricky thing. Democrats kept the high ground the first time, but eventually BothSidesAreBad kicks in and overwhelms the gains.

Yep, that was a danger.

Exactly. I'm always surprised that so few people understand this
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