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well, pardon my french?!.....Trump says Michael Cohen lied and did ask him for pardon....
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: March 08, 2019 01:35PM
......turning on each other......hard to watch.....


Trump claims his former lawyer and fixer Michael Cohen 'directly asked me for a pardon'

.....President Donald Trump on Friday said his former personal lawyer and fixer Michael Cohen last year "directly asked me for a pardon."

But Cohen, who recently testified that he had "never" sought a pardon from Trump, said that the president's claim was "just another set of lies."

The exchange was the latest back-and-forth between the Trump and Cohen camps over the question of if and when Cohen had actively sought a presidential pardon for the crimes he admitted to last year.

"Bad lawyer and fraudster Michael Cohen said under sworn testimony that he never asked for a Pardon. His lawyers totally contradicted him," Trump tweeted, referencing to Cohen's testimony last week claiming that he had not and would not seek a pardon from his ex-boss for his crimes.

"He lied! Additionally, he directly asked me for a pardon. I said NO. He lied again! He also badly wanted to work at the White House. He lied!"

Trump had teased his new claim about an hour earlier when he spoke to reporters on the South Lawn of the White House.

"His [Cohen's] lawyer said that they went to my lawyers and asked for pardons," Trump said. "And I can go a step above that but I won't go to it now."

A half-hour after Trump's tweet, Cohen responded on Twitter.


Just another set of lies by @POTUS@realdonaldtrump. Mr. President...let me remind you that today is #InternationalWomensDay. You may want use today to apologize for your own #lies and #DirtyDeeds to women like Karen McDougal and Stephanie Clifford.
— Michael Cohen (@MichaelCohen212) March 8, 2019

Cohen's legal adviser Lanny Davis had no immediate comment on the president's allegation.

The White House had no immediate comment.

Last week, Cohen testified at length under oath before the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee about Trump.

"I have never asked for, nor would I accept, a pardon from President Trump," Cohen told the committee.

The 52-year-old disbarred lawyer is due to begin a three-year prison term in May for multiple crimes, some of which relate to his work for Trump.

Cohen, as part of his guilty plea, said Trump directed him to facilitate the payments of hush money to porn star Stormy Daniels and Playboy model Karen McDougal shortly before the 2016 presidential election to keep them both quiet about their alleged affairs with Trump. Cohen also pleaded guilty to having lied to Congress about details of an aborted plan to build a Trump Tower in Moscow.

Trump has denied any wrongdoing and denies having had sex with either Daniels or McDougal.

On Wednesday, the Wall Street Journal reported that Cohen in the spring of 2018 told his lawyer at the time to ask about the possibility of a pardon from Trump, several weeks after the FBI raided his Manhattan home, office, and hotel room where he has been living with his family during ongoing home renovations.

Davis on Thursday said in a statement that before Cohen decided last year to leave a joint defense agreement with Trump's lawyers, "Michael was open to the ongoing 'dangling' of a possible pardon by Trump representatives privately and in the media."

"During that time period, he directed his attorney to explore possibilities of a pardon at one point with Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani as well as other lawyers advising President Trump," Davis said.

"But after July 2, 2018, Mr. Cohen authorized me as a new lawyer to say publicly Mr. Cohen would never accept a pardon from President Trump even if offered. That continues to be the case. And his statement at the Oversight Hearing was true — and consistent with his post joint defense agreement commitment to tell the truth."

House Oversight Chairman Elijah Cummings, D-Md., said Thursday that he planned to look into Cohen's testimony about the issue of a pardon given the Journal story and the comments by Davis since last week. Cummings noted that he had warned Cohen about the need to be truthful in his testimony.

"I told him, 'I will nail you to the cross [if you lie].' And I meant that," Cummings said Thursday. "I gotta make sure they are true inconsistencies and not outright lies. And then I gotta find out if it meets even the threshold that the [Department of Justice] would even want to look at it."

Trump has hinted that he would be open to pardoning some of his associates who, like Cohen, have been investigated in special counsel Robert Mueller's probe of Russian election interference and possible collusion with Trump's presidential campaign in 2016.

In November, Trump said a pardon was "not off the table" when asked about his former campaign chairman Paul Manafort, who was convicted on bank and tax fraud charges and later pleaded guilty to other crimes in cases lodged by Mueller.

Trump denied at the time that a pardon for Manafort had ever been discussed. Manafort's spokesman has declined inquiries about whether the ex-campaign chief sought a pardon.



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Re: well, pardon my french?!.....Trump says Michael Cohen lied and did ask him for pardon....
Posted by: rjmacs
Date: March 08, 2019 01:41PM
Well, there's a witness you can go to the mat for.....



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Re: well, pardon my french?!.....Trump says Michael Cohen lied and did ask him for pardon....
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: March 08, 2019 02:04PM
I will just assume 45's statement is a lie unless he can produce a recording of it.



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Re: well, pardon my french?!.....Trump says Michael Cohen lied and did ask him for pardon....
Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: March 08, 2019 02:14PM
Or a cancelled check.
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Re: well, pardon my french?!.....Trump says Michael Cohen lied and did ask him for pardon....
Posted by: steve...
Date: March 08, 2019 02:26PM
According to a poll, Americans Believe Cohen more than they do Trump.

In the court of public opinion, most Americans are siding with Cohen, according to the poll of 1,120 voters surveyed between last Friday and Monday. By a margin of 50% to 35%, respondents thought Cohen was more trustworthy. The survey showed that 44% of voters believe Cohen told the truth last week, while 36% believe he did not tell the truth.

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Re: well, pardon my french?!.....Trump says Michael Cohen lied and did ask him for pardon....
Posted by: Ted King
Date: March 08, 2019 04:57PM
"He lied! Additionally, he directly asked me for a pardon. I said NO."

It seems plausible - but I don't know how likely - that Cohen did ask Trump if he would be pardoned for the illegal things he did for Trump. I don't think it is plausible that Trump said, "NO (or just "no" even). I believe Cohen when he said Trump talks in code and there is nothing codish about "no". I believe Trump talks in code for at least a couple of reasons. One is so he has legal deniability and the other is that it probably often leaves his options more open or being able to give the impression to someone that he may very well be leaving his options open. So if Cohen did directly ask Trump for a pardon, most likely Trump gave him an answer that sort of sounded like a pardon could happen if maybe things "came out the right way". Dangle, dangle.
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Re: well, pardon my french?!.....Trump says Michael Cohen lied and did ask him for pardon....
Posted by: Dennis S
Date: March 08, 2019 05:09PM
People are acting like because Cohen lied a couple of times, then Trump never lied.
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Re: well, pardon my french?!.....Trump says Michael Cohen lied and did ask him for pardon....
Posted by: sekker
Date: March 08, 2019 06:35PM
Yawn
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Re: well, pardon my french?!.....Trump says Michael Cohen lied and did ask him for pardon....
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: March 08, 2019 07:25PM
Apparently this makes Donnie a fact witness subject to subpoena to testify in a NYC court. HA !v
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Re: well, pardon my french?!.....Trump says Michael Cohen lied and did ask him for pardon....
Posted by: GGD
Date: March 08, 2019 07:42PM
I guess they will need to subpoena 45's phone records a visitor logs to prove that he even had a conversation with Cohen that day, and to prove 45's accusation that Cohen is lying.

And then they'll need 45 under oath to explain the conversation.

My guess is that if there ever was a conversation, it might have been more along the lines of Cohen's lawyers asking, "we were just wondering if you were planning to pardon Michael, before we go and waste a lot of our time defending him".
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