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Terror attack in New Zealand: at least 49 killed at two mosques by white supremicist
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: March 15, 2019 03:26AM
Turns out it was more political than some routine nut job. Updates at this site.

New Zealand TV=>
[www.tvnz.co.nz]
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Re: Terror attack in New Zealand: at least 49 killed at two mosques by white supremicist
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: March 15, 2019 03:44AM
Police Commissioner Mike Bush:

At the Deans Avenue mosque, we now know that 41 people have lost their lives. And at the Linwood mosque, 7 have lost their lives. Of the 40 people who have been treated at Christchurch Hospital, one has now passed. So the total number of people who have died in thishorrendous event are 49.

And our hearts go out to them and all of their families, all of their friends, all of their loved ones, and I want to assure everyone that we will do our best for them

I would like to also add that so far one person, a male in his late 20s, has been charged with murder, and should appear in the Christchurch Court tomorrow morning.

Three other people were apprehended. We believe one of those persons who was armed and was at the scene may have had nothing to do with this incident, and the two other people that have been apprehended, again in possession of firearms in the general environment, we are working through to understand what their involvement is.

We have recovered a number of firearms from both of the scenes, Linwood Avenue and Deans Avenue.

I would like to assure everyone around New Zealand that every available police and emergency resource with our other government agencies and Defence Force are doing everything they can to keep our communities safe.

We have had no other threats since we responded to this incident. We are working with a wide range of community to give support to everyone who needs it.
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Re: Terror attack in New Zealand: at least 49 killed at two mosques by white supremicist
Posted by: Sarcany
Date: March 15, 2019 04:38AM
Sick: One of the gunmen broadcast a livestream on Facebook. In it, he said that he was motivated in part by the United States Second Amendment.

Authorities have properly identified the perpetrators as "terrorists."

"We grieve we are shocked appalled and outraged as we stand here and condemn the attack that occurred today by an extremist right wing violent terrorist."

...

"The strongest possible condemnation of the ideology of the people who did this: You may have chosen us, but we utterly condemn and reject you."

...

“Many of those affected may be migrants to New Zealand — they may even be refugees here,” Ms. Ardern said of the victims. “They are one of us. The person who has perpetrated these acts is not.”

...

That's the way that I'd expect sane and rational people to respond to white supremacists attacking innocents during a religious service.

Trump's first tweet about gun violence after a white supremacist shot two men in Kansas: "Seven people shot and killed yesterday in Chicago. What is going on there – totally out of control. Chicago needs help!"

Trump's first tweet about gun violence after a white supremacist terror attack in Quebec: "A new radical Islamic terrorist has just attacked in Louvre Museum in Paris. Tourists were locked down. France on edge again. GET SMART U.S."

Lacking something sympathetic to say about Trump this morning, Fox has been repeating a message from Trump Jr. which, as expected, fails to address gun violence or condemn white supremacists.







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Re: Terror attack in New Zealand: at least 49 killed at two mosques by white supremicist
Posted by: p8712
Date: March 15, 2019 06:19AM
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In it, he said that he was motivated in part by the United States Second Amendment.

Of course. This is such a tragic story.
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Re: Terror attack in New Zealand: at least 49 killed at two mosques by white supremicist
Posted by: pdq
Date: March 15, 2019 08:29AM
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In it, he said that he was motivated in part by the United States Second Amendment.

Of course. This is such a tragic story.

Part of me feels like we’ve infected the world. We had the opportunity to visit some of New Zealand this past year, and it seemed like such a beautiful, chill place.
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Re: Terror attack in New Zealand: at least 49 killed at two mosques by white supremicist
Posted by: rjmacs
Date: March 15, 2019 08:38AM
But when you start to make the suggestion that there's a connection between America's love affair with firearms (the Second Amendment being clear confirmation) and white supremacy, look out for the blowback, mostly from explosively angry white men who get eye-poppingly infuriated that anyone could even suggest such a thing.

<ducks>



rj
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Re: Terror attack in New Zealand: at least 49 killed at two mosques by white supremicist
Posted by: p8712
Date: March 15, 2019 09:12AM
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In it, he said that he was motivated in part by the United States Second Amendment.

Of course. This is such a tragic story.

Part of me feels like we’ve infected the world. We had the opportunity to visit some of New Zealand this past year, and it seemed like such a beautiful, chill place.

We have infected the world, and it'll be years and years of hard work to recover. I'm rather p-o'd I'll have to spend the rest of my life pushing a broom.

But hey, GOD SAYS everyone needs a gun and a right wing demagogue idiot as a leader. Who am I to argue?
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Re: Terror attack in New Zealand: at least 49 killed at two mosques by white supremicist
Posted by: Acer
Date: March 15, 2019 09:36AM
We now proceed into a discussion of magazine vs clip, clip size, semi-automatic vs automatic, the difficulty of defining assault weapons and oh, let's just call the whole thing off.
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Re: Terror attack in New Zealand: at least 49 killed at two mosques by white supremicist
Posted by: rjmacs
Date: March 15, 2019 09:38AM
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Acer
We now proceed into a discussion of magazine vs clip, clip size, semi-automatic vs automatic, the difficulty of defining assault weapons and oh, let's just call the whole thing off.

So much easier than talking about how someone came to believe that Muslims are secretly trying to eliminate the white race through population growth, using refugees and asylum-seekers as the tip of the spear into the West.



rj
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Re: Terror attack in New Zealand: at least 49 killed at two mosques by white supremicist
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: March 15, 2019 10:34AM
White supremacy isn't just talk, as we see over and over.

Not much daylight between them and ISIS. We go to war (literally) against ISIS but white supremacists? They get retweeted by the leader of the free world. They get to write policy in the most powerful nation on earth. The bigotry and hate wasn't invented by Stephen Miller and Donald Trump but it's empowered by them.

This is unspeakable tragedy and I'm heartbroken for Muslim brothers and sisters the world over.



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Re: Terror attack in New Zealand: at least 49 killed at two mosques by white supremicist
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: March 15, 2019 11:52AM
Michelle and I send condolences and strength to the people of New Zealand. We grieve with you and with the Muslim community. Every single one of us, every color, every creed, has a daily responsibility to rally against hate and bigotry in all their forms and to stand up for what is good, and decent, and true.
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Re: Terror attack in New Zealand: at least 49 killed at two mosques by white supremicist
Posted by: max
Date: March 15, 2019 12:08PM
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Lemon Drop
This is unspeakable tragedy and I'm heartbroken for Muslim brothers and sisters the world over.

The unspeakable tragedy is your flaming hypocrisy, Lemon.
It is one matter when we are dealing with matters under our control, it is totally different when you are ripping your theatrical garments to show off your political correctness when it is politically expedient.

Not once have you spoken for your "Muslim brothers and sisters the world over" when tens, if not hundreds were massacred in mosques, when the offenders were Muslim extremists?
[www.nbcnews.com]
If you are so heartbroken about this type of human tragedy, Lemon, why have you not uttered even one word of concern for hundreds of Coptic Christians hunted as prey by fundamentalist Moslems in Sinai.
[www.hudson.org]

Then we have your exemplary silence when thousands of Yazid women and young girls were sold into sexual slavery by your favorite "victims", the very " Muslim brothers and sisters" from " the world over" .
[en.wikipedia.org]


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Acer
We now proceed into a discussion of magazine vs clip, clip size, semi-automatic vs automatic, the difficulty of defining assault weapons and oh, let's just call the whole thing off.

Congratulations.
That is exactly what you did, Acer.
Nobody else here has started "discussion of magazine vs clip, clip size, semi-automatic vs automatic, the difficulty of defining assault weapons", but you.
Good job, Acer, fullfilling your own orgasmic fansies....




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Re: Terror attack in New Zealand: at least 49 killed at two mosques by white supremicist
Posted by: sekker
Date: March 15, 2019 12:28PM
max, I DO read your posts, but I haven't a clue what you are talking about.

The lack of human rights - and oppression - are everywhere, but I sure hope we are working to improve ALL societies.

I'm sorry for this tragedy, and I am (I think!) enlightened enough to tell the difference between a person peacefully practicing their religion and fanatics who are trying to kill others over their extreme views.
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Re: Terror attack in New Zealand: at least 49 killed at two mosques by white supremicist
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: March 15, 2019 12:38PM
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Lemon Drop
Michelle and I send condolences and strength to the people of New Zealand. We grieve with you and with the Muslim community. Every single one of us, every color, every creed, has a daily responsibility to rally against hate and bigotry in all their forms and to stand up for what is good, and decent, and true.

Meanwhile, the Orange Menace sent "Best Wishes"

idiot.



“No persons are more frequently wrong, than those who will not admit they are wrong.”
-- François de La Rochefoucauld

"WE CALL BS!" -- Emma Gonzalez
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Re: Terror attack in New Zealand: at least 49 killed at two mosques by white supremicist
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: March 15, 2019 12:41PM
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max
Good job, Acer, fullfilling your own orgasmic fansies....

There's definitely a pattern here. Is maxie a bot or just abnormally fixated?

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tomorrow will be truly orgasmic....

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…it becomes positively orgasmic...

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his orgasmic fake news... ....

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These self induced orgasmic dreams....

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...the self induced orgasmic dreams...

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...orgasmic highs for some folks....

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…just orgasmic wet dreams...

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... living in a word of your own orgasmic dreams....
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Re: Terror attack in New Zealand: at least 49 killed at two mosques by white supremicist
Posted by: Bernie
Date: March 15, 2019 02:00PM





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Re: Terror attack in New Zealand: at least 49 killed at two mosques by white supremicist
Posted by: pdq
Date: March 15, 2019 02:07PM
smiley-shocked003

Seriously? This guy decides to pick today to blame Islam?

He’s a world-class ass.
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Re: Terror attack in New Zealand: at least 49 killed at two mosques by white supremicist
Posted by: Speedy
Date: March 15, 2019 02:43PM
How can it be a terrorist attack if it was a white guy?



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Re: Terror attack in New Zealand: at least 49 killed at two mosques by white supremicist
Posted by: deckeda
Date: March 15, 2019 03:32PM
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pdq
smiley-shocked003

Seriously? This guy decides to pick today to blame Islam?

He’s a world-class ass.

Agreed, but it's apparently not against the forum's ToS to troll others with drive-by posts spraying hatred.
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Re: Terror attack in New Zealand: at least 49 killed at two mosques by white supremicist
Posted by: bfd
Date: March 15, 2019 04:18PM
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Lemon Drop
Michelle and I send condolences and strength to the people of New Zealand. We grieve with you and with the Muslim community. Every single one of us, every color, every creed, has a daily responsibility to rally against hate and bigotry in all their forms and to stand up for what is good, and decent, and true.

Might've been stronger if he'd have said to stand up to the one who is evil, indecent, and a liar… but that's never going to happen.
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Re: Terror attack in New Zealand: at least 49 killed at two mosques by white supremicist
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: March 15, 2019 06:33PM
So this Fraser Anning character has only been in the Aussie Parliament since 2017 and he's there by some electoral fluke. No party will have him given his racist, inflammatory comments and policy ideas, which frequently target Muslims. So he will soon exit Parliament. This latest truly unbelievable statement is just the latest in a long line. Don't let the door hit ya, Fraser.
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Re: Terror attack in New Zealand: at least 49 killed at two mosques by white supremicist
Posted by: Speedy
Date: March 16, 2019 12:21AM
[www.washingtonpost.com]

"New Zealand’s leader vowed its “gun laws will change.” Suspect had license to carry the types of guns used in deadly attacks. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said Tarrant had modified guns used in the killing that left at least 49 dead, and Attorney General David Parker says government will ban semiautomatic rifles."

>>>

"President Trump on Friday said he had not seen a 74-page manifesto that Tarrant had written railing against Muslims and immigrants, but did not believe white nationalism is a rising global threat, adding, “I think it’s a small group of people that have very, very serious problems. It’s certainly a terrible thing.”

[www.washingtonpost.com]

"Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern, who decried the attack as an act of terrorism that plunged New Zealand into one of its “darkest days,” said Saturday that the country’s security services were aware of a “global rise in extreme right-wing rhetoric” but had not put Tarrant on a watch list."



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Re: Terror attack in New Zealand: at least 49 killed at two mosques by white supremicist
Posted by: sekker
Date: March 16, 2019 01:32PM
max is just in his state of denial. When he’s rational, I value his perspective. But sometimes... Wow. Maybe there IS a bot that uses his account?
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Re: Terror attack in New Zealand: at least 49 killed at two mosques by white supremicist
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: March 16, 2019 02:29PM
I want a leader for the United States with the courage and character of NZ PM Jacinda Ardern.

“To the people who did this: you may have chosen us, but we UTTERLY reject and condemn you.”

"They (the victims) are us, you are not."
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Re: Terror attack in New Zealand: at least 49 killed at two mosques by white supremicist
Posted by: Sarcany
Date: March 18, 2019 05:18PM
I think the opposite of Trump just showed up on the scene.

Pete Buttigieg.

Ordinarily, I'm pretty paranoid about politicians coming from Indiana, but the guy's got something.

[www.esquire.com]
[www.pbs.org]
[thehill.com]
[www.pajiba.com]
[www.nytimes.com]
[www.latimes.com]





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Re: Terror attack in New Zealand: at least 49 killed at two mosques by white supremicist
Posted by: wowzer
Date: March 22, 2019 08:44PM
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rjmacs
But when you start to make the suggestion that there's a connection between America's love affair with firearms (the Second Amendment being clear confirmation) and white supremacy, look out for the blowback, mostly from explosively angry white men who get eye-poppingly infuriated that anyone could even suggest such a thing.

<ducks>


Many gun laws in this country was created to prevent minorities from obtaining guns.
In recent past, the republicans were concerned with minorities owning guns, as was the NRA.

Nowadays, the NRA is pro-gun in most cases, and (usually) supports minorities in cases of firearm related law enforcement.



Personally, I don't see the problem with Americans owning guns. IMO, the whole point of the constitution is to delineate what rights belong to whom. Very seldom are rights reserved for the people...and by studying history, it is quite apparent that tyrannical governments come from 'best intentions' and doing things 'for your benefit'. I am completely against government (especially with politicians like the ones we have) dictating what the citizenry are allowed to do.

Sure, gun deaths are bad, but so are deaths from heart disease. Why aren't we pushing for laws that prevent 'unhealthy' (however you define it) foods from being sold? Or better yet, ban all animal food products, because we know that vegan diets will prolong life (and therefore prevent deaths)? Also, we should pass laws that people who are colonized with antibiotic resistant organisms from being allowed to mix with the general populace, because we know that those with MDRO will be more likely to die from infection. We should also pass laws banning all tobacco, because COPD, heart disease, and cancer lead to death. We should also pass laws banning anyone from eating above a certain number of calories a day, because we know that people who are obese tend to have a lot more diseases and we know those who are on a calorie restricted diet have less cancers. The list is near infinite.


I think the major reason why we are concerned about gun deaths is because the MEDIA portrays them in such shocking and stunning detail that we don't realize the other risks (besides guns) that kill many more people each year. If you like being lead by the MEDIA, then I'm sorry that you have fallen for the MEDIA agenda.

Just look up the facts at the CDC (google CDC all cause mortality) and you can make an informed decision.



BTW- here are some links about minority rights and gun ownership:

[www.aljazeera.com]

[www.history.com]

[www.nytimes.com]

[www.pewresearch.org]



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Re: Terror attack in New Zealand: at least 49 killed at two mosques by white supremicist
Posted by: Speedy
Date: March 23, 2019 02:41AM
Guns are designed to kill. Those other things are not.

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wowzer
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rjmacs
But when you start to make the suggestion that there's a connection between America's love affair with firearms (the Second Amendment being clear confirmation) and white supremacy, look out for the blowback, mostly from explosively angry white men who get eye-poppingly infuriated that anyone could even suggest such a thing.

<ducks>


Many gun laws in this country was created to prevent minorities from obtaining guns.
In recent past, the republicans were concerned with minorities owning guns, as was the NRA.

Nowadays, the NRA is pro-gun in most cases, and (usually) supports minorities in cases of firearm related law enforcement.



Personally, I don't see the problem with Americans owning guns. IMO, the whole point of the constitution is to delineate what rights belong to whom. Very seldom are rights reserved for the people...and by studying history, it is quite apparent that tyrannical governments come from 'best intentions' and doing things 'for your benefit'. I am completely against government (especially with politicians like the ones we have) dictating what the citizenry are allowed to do.

Sure, gun deaths are bad, but so are deaths from heart disease. Why aren't we pushing for laws that prevent 'unhealthy' (however you define it) foods from being sold? Or better yet, ban all animal food products, because we know that vegan diets will prolong life (and therefore prevent deaths)? Also, we should pass laws that people who are colonized with antibiotic resistant organisms from being allowed to mix with the general populace, because we know that those with MDRO will be more likely to die from infection. We should also pass laws banning all tobacco, because COPD, heart disease, and cancer lead to death. We should also pass laws banning anyone from eating above a certain number of calories a day, because we know that people who are obese tend to have a lot more diseases and we know those who are on a calorie restricted diet have less cancers. The list is near infinite.


I think the major reason why we are concerned about gun deaths is because the MEDIA portrays them in such shocking and stunning detail that we don't realize the other risks (besides guns) that kill many more people each year. If you like being lead by the MEDIA, then I'm sorry that you have fallen for the MEDIA agenda.

Just look up the facts at the CDC (google CDC all cause mortality) and you can make an informed decision.



BTW- here are some links about minority rights and gun ownership:

[www.aljazeera.com]

[www.history.com]

[www.nytimes.com]

[www.pewresearch.org]



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Re: Terror attack in New Zealand: at least 49 killed at two mosques by white supremicist
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: March 23, 2019 11:55AM
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wowzer

Personally, I don't see the problem with Americans owning guns. IMO, the whole point of the constitution is to delineate what rights belong to whom. Very seldom are rights reserved for the people...and by studying history, it is quite apparent that tyrannical governments come from 'best intentions' and doing things 'for your benefit'. I am completely against government (especially with politicians like the ones we have) dictating what the citizenry are allowed to do.

Sure, gun deaths are bad, but so are deaths from heart disease. Why aren't we pushing for laws that prevent 'unhealthy' (however you define it) foods from being sold? Or better yet, ban all animal food products, because we know that vegan diets will prolong life (and therefore prevent deaths)? Also, we should pass laws that people who are colonized with antibiotic resistant organisms from being allowed to mix with the general populace, because we know that those with MDRO will be more likely to die from infection. We should also pass laws banning all tobacco, because COPD, heart disease, and cancer lead to death. We should also pass laws banning anyone from eating above a certain number of calories a day, because we know that people who are obese tend to have a lot more diseases and we know those who are on a calorie restricted diet have less cancers. The list is near infinite.


I think the major reason why we are concerned about gun deaths is because the MEDIA portrays them in such shocking and stunning detail that we don't realize the other risks (besides guns) that kill many more people each year. If you like being lead by the MEDIA, then I'm sorry that you have fallen for the MEDIA agenda.

Just look up the facts at the CDC (google CDC all cause mortality) and you can make an informed decision.



I don't see a problem with Americans owning guns either. I do see lots and lots of problems with the lack of regulation of gun ownership. Common sense gun responsibility laws, which BTW most gun owners favor, have been shown to reduce the amount of violent death.

Violent death is very different than organic causes of death. If we're lucky we are all going to live many fulfilling decades and then succumb to something organic. Science has helped us live much longer by developing ways to combat disease. That's great. Let's do more of that, always. We also have science that tells us that if we were more responsible in our approach to gun ownership, but special interests with influence of our government's use of public health dollars cause us to miss the opportunity to use that science to our benefit.

The unlucky among us are going to die from violence and that is ALWAYS preventable because it is intentional and completely within the control of humans. Violent death has many forms: murder, child abuse, suicide, and others. Humans are by nature prone to violence; when you add weapons to the mix the harmful effects of that violence can be much worse. We're also prone to accidents and guns make that worse too.

We have the knowledge and the ability to reduce the harmful impact of violence and the majority of Americans want this done. But in our country we resist doing this because a very small number of powerful and well-connected people protect the companies that manufacture and sell firearms and stand in the way of even the most basic, common sense and fully constitutional gun responsibility measures.


We could greatly reduce the number of Americans who die from gun violence every year, both the intentional and the accidental violent deaths. Fortunately the common sense voices are winning and in most states now it's more advantageous for a politician to be FOR gun-control than against. The tide is finally turning, and that's good for all of us, including gun owners.



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Re: Terror attack in New Zealand: at least 49 killed at two mosques by white supremicist
Posted by: wowzer
Date: March 25, 2019 01:29AM
Knives are designed to kill. Should we ban them too?

If history teaches us anything, often times, it is the threat of violence that keeps the peace. Guns, like it or not, are used many more times to keep the peace rather than kill.

The CDC did a study to ask about DGU, and was charged by Obama to do it. They didn’t like the results, so they tried to suppress the report:

[www.forbes.com]


I guess it’s a matter of being a realist vs non-realist. The world is a violent place...I want lawful citizens to be able to defend themselves from bad people.




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Speedy
Guns are designed to kill. Those other things are not.

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wowzer
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rjmacs
But when you start to make the suggestion that there's a connection between America's love affair with firearms (the Second Amendment being clear confirmation) and white supremacy, look out for the blowback, mostly from explosively angry white men who get eye-poppingly infuriated that anyone could even suggest such a thing.

<ducks>


Many gun laws in this country was created to prevent minorities from obtaining guns.
In recent past, the republicans were concerned with minorities owning guns, as was the NRA.

Nowadays, the NRA is pro-gun in most cases, and (usually) supports minorities in cases of firearm related law enforcement.



Personally, I don't see the problem with Americans owning guns. IMO, the whole point of the constitution is to delineate what rights belong to whom. Very seldom are rights reserved for the people...and by studying history, it is quite apparent that tyrannical governments come from 'best intentions' and doing things 'for your benefit'. I am completely against government (especially with politicians like the ones we have) dictating what the citizenry are allowed to do.

Sure, gun deaths are bad, but so are deaths from heart disease. Why aren't we pushing for laws that prevent 'unhealthy' (however you define it) foods from being sold? Or better yet, ban all animal food products, because we know that vegan diets will prolong life (and therefore prevent deaths)? Also, we should pass laws that people who are colonized with antibiotic resistant organisms from being allowed to mix with the general populace, because we know that those with MDRO will be more likely to die from infection. We should also pass laws banning all tobacco, because COPD, heart disease, and cancer lead to death. We should also pass laws banning anyone from eating above a certain number of calories a day, because we know that people who are obese tend to have a lot more diseases and we know those who are on a calorie restricted diet have less cancers. The list is near infinite.


I think the major reason why we are concerned about gun deaths is because the MEDIA portrays them in such shocking and stunning detail that we don't realize the other risks (besides guns) that kill many more people each year. If you like being lead by the MEDIA, then I'm sorry that you have fallen for the MEDIA agenda.

Just look up the facts at the CDC (google CDC all cause mortality) and you can make an informed decision.



BTW- here are some links about minority rights and gun ownership:

[www.aljazeera.com]

[www.history.com]

[www.nytimes.com]

[www.pewresearch.org]



All I ever really needed to know, I learned from watching Star Trek.
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Re: Terror attack in New Zealand: at least 49 killed at two mosques by white supremicist
Posted by: wowzer
Date: March 25, 2019 01:40AM
Interesting that 2 people can reach completely opposite conclusions. I think that more states are permitting constitutional carry and further protection of gun ownership:
[www.gunlaws.com]


I think only hard core democratic districts allow the politicians to be against guns.

I’m ok w a background check...otherwise, how do you prevent a terrorist from buying a gun?



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Re: Terror attack in New Zealand: at least 49 killed at two mosques by white supremicist
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: March 25, 2019 07:52AM
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wowzer
Knives are designed to kill.

You must have a very bizarre household! smiley-shocked003
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Re: Terror attack in New Zealand: at least 49 killed at two mosques by white supremicist
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: March 25, 2019 07:53PM
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wowzer
Interesting that 2 people can reach completely opposite conclusions. I think that more states are permitting constitutional carry and further protection of gun ownership:
[www.gunlaws.com]


I think only hard core democratic districts allow the politicians to be against guns.

I’m ok w a background check...otherwise, how do you prevent a terrorist from buying a gun?

According to the Giffords Law Center (which supports stricter gun laws), 26 states and Washington, DC, enacted a total of 67 new gun control laws this year — more than triple the number of stricter gun laws enacted in 2017. The 2018 measures include a higher minimum age to buy guns, restrictions for domestic abusers, “red flag” laws that let law enforcement take away guns from people deemed a risk, and new urban gun violence reduction programs.

Some of these passed in states with Republican leaders. In Florida, the GOP-controlled legislature and Republican Gov. Rick Scott approved legislation that raised the minimum age to buy guns and added a waiting period for firearm purchases, among other changes. In Vermont, Republican Gov. Phil Scott signed gun control laws that included expanded background checks and a “red flag” law.


[www.vox.com]
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Re: Terror attack in New Zealand: at least 49 killed at two mosques by white supremicist
Posted by: Speedy
Date: March 28, 2019 08:11PM
Yep, the Russian-funed NRA and the other gun nuts don't always get their way.

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wowzer
Interesting that 2 people can reach completely opposite conclusions. I think that more states are permitting constitutional carry and further protection of gun ownership:
[www.gunlaws.com]


I think only hard core democratic districts allow the politicians to be against guns.

I’m ok w a background check...otherwise, how do you prevent a terrorist from buying a gun?

According to the Giffords Law Center (which supports stricter gun laws), 26 states and Washington, DC, enacted a total of 67 new gun control laws this year — more than triple the number of stricter gun laws enacted in 2017. The 2018 measures include a higher minimum age to buy guns, restrictions for domestic abusers, “red flag” laws that let law enforcement take away guns from people deemed a risk, and new urban gun violence reduction programs.

Some of these passed in states with Republican leaders. In Florida, the GOP-controlled legislature and Republican Gov. Rick Scott approved legislation that raised the minimum age to buy guns and added a waiting period for firearm purchases, among other changes. In Vermont, Republican Gov. Phil Scott signed gun control laws that included expanded background checks and a “red flag” law.


[www.vox.com]



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