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just breaking......Julian Assange arrested in London.....
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: April 11, 2019 05:33AM
....Ecuador revoked immunity.....Assange arrested @ the Embassy....



.....film @ 11.......



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Re: just breaking......Julian Assange arrested in London.....
Posted by: vision63
Date: April 11, 2019 05:41AM
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Re: just breaking......Julian Assange arrested in London.....
Posted by: Bill in NC
Date: April 11, 2019 06:47AM
shoulda kept kitty's litter box clean...
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Re: just breaking......Julian Assange arrested in London.....
Posted by: rjmacs
Date: April 11, 2019 07:14AM
And the last thing he ever said was: [ redacted ].

Think Trump will have him sent directly to Gitmo?



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AKA
Vreemac, Moth of the Future
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Re: just breaking......Julian Assange arrested in London.....
Posted by: Acer
Date: April 11, 2019 07:59AM
Gitmo? He's taking him to dinner to thank him for his help.
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Re: just breaking......Julian Assange arrested in London.....
Posted by: pdq
Date: April 11, 2019 08:10AM
You know, I think there’s a place in this world for folks and/or entities battling excessive governmental secrecy.

But Assange and Wikileaks created a caricature of noble intent.

Karma, baby, karma.
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Re: just breaking......Julian Assange arrested in London.....
Posted by: Pam
Date: April 11, 2019 08:20AM
We al know he and wikileaks under him should not be treated as a journalist and publication. Proving that without damaging the 5th estate as it is known in the traditional and current sense is another matter.
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Re: just breaking......Julian Assange arrested in London.....
Posted by: $tevie
Date: April 11, 2019 10:22AM
I highly recommend reading this: [amp.cnn.com]



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Re: just breaking......Julian Assange arrested in London.....
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: April 11, 2019 10:55AM
Wikileaks... high minded ideas and then seduced to the dark side to use their information for evil. This making their information untrustworthy. Really a pity. A trustworthy and politically agnostic source of real truth is desperately needed on the planet.


And it's disgusting that I have to put a modifier on the word Truth.



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Re: just breaking......Julian Assange arrested in London.....
Posted by: pdq
Date: April 11, 2019 11:52AM
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$tevie
I highly recommend reading this: [amp.cnn.com]

From $tevie’s link:

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Ecuador’s Interior Minister María Paula Romo says Julian Assange's asylum was revoked because there was sufficient evidence that he was meddling in Ecuador's internal affairs in an effort to destabilize the government.

Romo also reiterated President Lenin Moreno's remarks that Assange was consistently violating embassy residency rules, and specifically called out how he would put feces on the walls.

...both the UK and Ecuadorian government had "become increasingly concerned about the state of Mr. Assange's [mental?] health...



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Re: just breaking......Julian Assange arrested in London.....
Posted by: pdq
Date: April 11, 2019 11:59AM
BTW, looking at the Google news feed, I saw an article listed entitled “We are all Julian Assange”.

(Um, we’ve all lived in an embassy for years to avoid extradition for (among other things) rape?)

Anyway, then I saw the source: RT

eye rolling smiley

Edit: I now see that Fox News “Judge” Andrew Napolitano says that Assange is a “hero”.

Ooooo-kay, then.



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Re: just breaking......Julian Assange arrested in London.....
Posted by: max
Date: April 11, 2019 12:02PM
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cbelt3
Wikileaks... high minded ideas and then seduced to the dark side to use their information for evil. This making their information untrustworthy.
How untrustworthy was Wikileaks information, cbelt?
Or was it that it was inconvenient to the currupt organisation, that was the DNC, and brought the facts into the light of truth?
Evil that was disinfected by the facts....

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You can despise Wikileaks and everything it stands for. You can think Assange is an evil spirit reanimated by Putin himself. But you cannot support the prosecution of a publisher for publishing without narrowing the basic rights every newspaper relies on.
- Edward Snowden...

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Pam
We al know he and wikileaks under him should not be treated as a journalist and publication.

We all know that is a straming pile of hypocritical BS, but because he exposed your soiled laundry magically he has turned into a black toad.
Being a jerk does not disqualify Assange from legal protections normally assigned to the media in this country....

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receiving classified documents from a source and then publishing them is something many media organizations do routinely. Jameel Jaffer of the Knight First Amendment Institute said that “prosecution of Wikileaks for publication of classified info—if that’s the focus of the indictment—would represent a profound threat to press freedom.”
[www.cjr.org]

[www.middleeasteye.net]

[cpj.org]

It is the fascist wing of the Democratic Party still running the cover up operation to hide their criminal enterprise against democracy, that is pushing ya'll's narrative and you are happily dancing to their brownshirted tune.....




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One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution;
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Re: just breaking......Julian Assange arrested in London.....
Posted by: Acer
Date: April 11, 2019 12:07PM
TBH, if the Republicans had a robust blackballing protocol in place in 2016's primaries, we would not have Trump.
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Re: just breaking......Julian Assange arrested in London.....
Posted by: max
Date: April 11, 2019 12:31PM
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Acer
TBH, if the Republicans had a robust blackballing protocol in place in 2016's primaries, we would not have Trump.

Poor Acer, still trying to shift the blame on everybody else but where it belongs. Squarely in your own lap.
If the Democrats would not provide a totally failed candidate, so utterly corrupt and discredited, the country would not be reduced to elect somebody like Trump.

You gave people no choice, Acer, and that still is your responsibility....




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"We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means, it is an end.
One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution;
one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship."
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Re: just breaking......Julian Assange arrested in London.....
Posted by: Bernie
Date: April 11, 2019 12:31PM





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Re: just breaking......Julian Assange arrested in London.....
Posted by: JoeH
Date: April 11, 2019 12:44PM
Bernie, that story has been discredited so many times, perhaps you need some new sources of information.
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Re: just breaking......Julian Assange arrested in London.....
Posted by: Dennis S
Date: April 11, 2019 01:10PM
Max still hasn't figured out how to spell "y'all."

The "fascist wing of the Democratic Party?"
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Re: just breaking......Julian Assange arrested in London.....
Posted by: $tevie
Date: April 11, 2019 02:25PM
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JoeH
Bernie, that story has been discredited so many times, perhaps you need some new sources of information.
Not to mention, that is NOT what Assange was arrested for. So it's both untrue AND irrelevant. Epic fail. :-)



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Re: just breaking......Julian Assange arrested in London.....
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: April 11, 2019 02:28PM
.....London.....has Fallen.......



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Re: just breaking......Julian Assange arrested in London.....
Posted by: Speedy
Date: April 11, 2019 03:05PM
I donated $50 to Wikileaks. I’m fine with having done that at the time. Things change.



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Re: just breaking......Julian Assange arrested in London.....
Posted by: vision63
Date: April 11, 2019 05:31PM
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$tevie
I highly recommend reading this: [amp.cnn.com]

That's a nice rundown.





ha ha
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Re: just breaking......Julian Assange arrested in London.....
Posted by: max
Date: April 11, 2019 07:05PM
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Dennis S
Max still hasn't figured out how to spell "y'all."
I know, it conflicts with the Arkansas skool of speleeng, and on top of it there is the desperate reach to avoid discussing the actual subject:
"If the facts are against you, question the source. If you cannot argue the logic, argue the spelling."
You almost got the concept, Dennis....


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Dennis S
The "fascist wing of the Democratic Party?"
It does fit like a glove, eh Dennis the S?....

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"We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means, it is an end.
One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution;
one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship."
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Re: just breaking......Julian Assange arrested in London.....
Posted by: deckeda
Date: April 12, 2019 06:34AM
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JoeH
Bernie, that story has been discredited so many times, perhaps you need some new sources of information.

He’s already been politely informed of that, and of other lies, but he doesn’t care. Bernie’s effectively a troll here.
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Re: just breaking......Julian Assange arrested in London.....
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: April 12, 2019 10:10AM
Snowden's take on it:

[freedom.press]

ACLU (not that they know anything about freedom of the press)
“Any prosecution by the United States of Mr. Assange for Wikileaks’ publishing operations would be unprecedented and unconstitutional, and would open the door to criminal investigations of other news organizations. Moreover, prosecuting a foreign publisher for violating U.S. secrecy laws would set an especially dangerous precedent for U.S. journalists, who routinely violate foreign secrecy laws to deliver information vital to the public's interest.
[www.aclu.org]


We know that the Trump administration wants to do all it can to undermine freedom of the press. I don't trust them at all in this matter.



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Re: just breaking......Julian Assange arrested in London.....
Posted by: vision63
Date: April 12, 2019 01:22PM
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Lemon Drop
Snowden's take on it:

[freedom.press]

ACLU (not that they know anything about freedom of the press)
“Any prosecution by the United States of Mr. Assange for Wikileaks’ publishing operations would be unprecedented and unconstitutional, and would open the door to criminal investigations of other news organizations. Moreover, prosecuting a foreign publisher for violating U.S. secrecy laws would set an especially dangerous precedent for U.S. journalists, who routinely violate foreign secrecy laws to deliver information vital to the public's interest.
[www.aclu.org]


We know that the Trump administration wants to do all it can to undermine freedom of the press. I don't trust them at all in this matter.

Interesting. I'm old enough to remember Snowden criticizing Assange's methods.

Edward Snowden Is Not Down With WikiLeaks' Methods
[fortune.com]
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Re: just breaking......Julian Assange arrested in London.....
Posted by: Acer
Date: April 12, 2019 01:28PM
I'm sure whatever the worst approach is to take on this matter, Trump & Co. will find it.
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Re: just breaking......Julian Assange arrested in London.....
Posted by: $tevie
Date: April 12, 2019 01:31PM
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Lemon Drop
Snowden's take on it:

[freedom.press]

ACLU (not that they know anything about freedom of the press)
“Any prosecution by the United States of Mr. Assange for Wikileaks’ publishing operations would be unprecedented and unconstitutional, and would open the door to criminal investigations of other news organizations. Moreover, prosecuting a foreign publisher for violating U.S. secrecy laws would set an especially dangerous precedent for U.S. journalists, who routinely violate foreign secrecy laws to deliver information vital to the public's interest.
[www.aclu.org]


We know that the Trump administration wants to do all it can to undermine freedom of the press. I don't trust them at all in this matter.
Snowden needs to read the news. The indictment is for attempting to hack classified computers, not for publishing anything.



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Re: just breaking......Julian Assange arrested in London.....
Posted by: vision63
Date: April 12, 2019 02:54PM
As Buckwheat would say, "Buzactly."
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Re: just breaking......Julian Assange arrested in London.....
Posted by: Bernie
Date: April 12, 2019 03:22PM


I just post alternative news and opinions.
Food for thought.






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Re: just breaking......Julian Assange arrested in London.....
Posted by: Ted King
Date: April 12, 2019 03:35PM
[www.theverge.com]

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In the indictment, the government alleges that Assange worked with Chelsea Manning to obtain classified documents. Prosecutors say that Manning accessed classified government files, provided them to Assange, and later worked with Assange in an attempt to crack the password of a classified government network.

The indictment outlines communications between Manning and Assange from the spring of 2010. WikiLeaks later released a major cache of State Department cables, and Manning was charged in the incident. She was sentenced to prison, but the sentence was commuted by President Obama. Last month, she was again jailed for refusing to testify about WikiLeaks.

Prosecutors also argue that Assange actively encouraged Manning to access files, at one point saying, “curious eyes never run dry in my experience.”

Currently, the only charge Assange faces is one count of conspiracy to commit computer intrusion.

I think the bolded sort of gets to the nub:

"Prosecutors say that Manning accessed classified government files, provided them to Assange..." If that were all that Assange had done, he should be protected by the First Amendment. But then there's "...and later worked with Assange in an attempt to crack the password of a classified government network." If he has done that, then that's where he runs up against illegality and why he is charged with "...one count of conspiracy to commit computer intrusion." We will eventually hear the evidence - probably - and can see if the government's case is as strong as it ought to be to bring such charges.
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Re: just breaking......Julian Assange arrested in London.....
Posted by: JoeH
Date: April 12, 2019 03:41PM
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Bernie

I just post alternative news and opinions.
FoodPropoganda for thought.

FTFY
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Re: just breaking......Julian Assange arrested in London.....
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: April 12, 2019 03:57PM
This is the statement from Snowden's Freedom of the Press Foundation. They're aware of exactly what Assange is charged with:

Early Thursday morning, Ecuador terminated the asylum status of WikiLeaks publisher Julian Assange, and he was arrested by British authorities. Shortly after, the Justice Department released a one count indictment against Assange, alleging that he conspired to violate the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act with whistleblower Chelsea Manning in 2010.

The following statement can be attributed to Freedom of the Press Foundation executive director Trevor Timm:

For years, the Obama administration considered indicting WikiLeaks publisher Julian Assange, before rightly concluding it could not do so without encroaching on core press freedoms. Now almost nine years in, the Trump administration has used the same information to manufacture a flimsy and pretextual indictment involving a “conspiracy” to violate the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act—based entirely on alleged conversations between a journalist and source. While the Trump administration has so far not attempted to explicitly declare the act of publishing illegal, a core part of its argument would criminalize many common journalist-source interactions that reporters rely on all the time. Requesting more documents from a source, using an encrypted chat messenger, or trying to keep a source’s identity anonymous are not crimes; they are vital to the journalistic process. Whether or not you like Assange, the charge against him is a serious press freedom threat and should be vigorously protested by all those who care about the First Amendment.



It's also not clear if Assange will be extradited to the US by Britain. He may never face these charges.
His fate will likely be closely tied to political events in the UK. If Labour takes over the gov't, they are not going to send Assange to the US. If the Tories hold power they probably will send him over or possibly to Sweden to face rape charges.



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Re: just breaking......Julian Assange arrested in London.....
Posted by: $tevie
Date: April 13, 2019 12:29AM
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Lemon Drop
Requesting more documents from a source, using an encrypted chat messenger, or trying to keep a source’s identity anonymous are not crimes; they are vital to the journalistic process. Whether or not you like Assange, the charge against him is a serious press freedom threat and should be vigorously protested by all those who care about the First Amendment.
Sorry, but that is BS. There's a gigantic difference between a reporter using an encrypted chat messenger, or a reporter egging someone on to commit a crime and attempting to assist them in said crime. It's incredibly narcissistic of Snowden and his "Foundation" to freak out about something that is a tiny gnat in the eye of what Trump and his gang is doing to the country. He only cares because he is afraid how it might impact him. People who want to be Robin Hood have to accept the fact that they might go to jail. The brave ones do.



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Re: just breaking......Julian Assange arrested in London.....
Posted by: sekker
Date: April 13, 2019 04:40AM
Snowden functionally acted as a Russian agent, and his claims as a high-minded renegade has fallen flat when facts are out on his story. For example, he met with Russian agents and took $$ long before he released any top secret info. And it's not an accident he landed in exile in Russia.

Similarly, Wikileaks was always a political hack, whose goal also was destabilization of existing ecosystems - a perfect foil for Putin.

max, just stop. Your rage blinds you. Assange is no hero, and his targeting of HC is not validation that she did anything wrong. If there was a GOP Presidential frontrunner, Wikileaks would have worked to elect HC rather than helping Orange Man win.
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Re: just breaking......Julian Assange arrested in London.....
Posted by: deckeda
Date: April 13, 2019 08:30PM
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Bernie


I just post alternative news and opinions.
Food for thought.

News can’t be “alternative,” it can only be spun to imply something with an agenda. Perhaps linking opinions with news is the source of your confusion.

No Bernie, what you do is “just” repost same or similar memes, easily shown to be bunk, and pretend the next time to be unaware. All of which is a ruse to create legitimacy for ideas where none is earned.

Lack of a defensible argument does not create credibility. It publishes lies.
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Re: just breaking......Julian Assange arrested in London.....
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: April 14, 2019 09:32AM
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$tevie
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Lemon Drop
Requesting more documents from a source, using an encrypted chat messenger, or trying to keep a source’s identity anonymous are not crimes; they are vital to the journalistic process. Whether or not you like Assange, the charge against him is a serious press freedom threat and should be vigorously protested by all those who care about the First Amendment.
Sorry, but that is BS. There's a gigantic difference between a reporter using an encrypted chat messenger, or a reporter egging someone on to commit a crime and attempting to assist them in said crime. It's incredibly narcissistic of Snowden and his "Foundation" to freak out about something that is a tiny gnat in the eye of what Trump and his gang is doing to the country. He only cares because he is afraid how it might impact him. People who want to be Robin Hood have to accept the fact that they might go to jail. The brave ones do.


Freedom of the press is not a "tiny gnat."

The people who want to limit press freedoms and protect government secrecy will of course select an unsympathetic character to make their case. And with Assange they are doing just that.

I'm with Alan Rusbridger, former editor of the Guardian and Chair of the Reuters Institute:

Have often not seen eye to eye with Assange. Aspects of his behaviour over the years trouble me - eg never liked indiscriminate dumping of unredacted material. But have always said would stand by him in defence of what Guardian and @nytimes published in 2010/11
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Re: just breaking......Julian Assange arrested in London.....
Posted by: Bernie
Date: April 14, 2019 07:04PM
Until Julian testifies ......
it is you conspiracy vs my conspiracy.

Julian Assange Says He's 1,000% Sure Russia Didn't Hack the DNC's Email

Statue of limitations could come up on this so FRESH charges were needed to get him here to answer the questions we all want to hear.




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Re: just breaking......Julian Assange arrested in London.....
Posted by: max
Date: April 14, 2019 09:52PM
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sekker
max, just stop. Your rage blinds you. Assange is no hero, and his targeting of HC is not validation that she did anything wrong. If there was a GOP Presidential frontrunner, Wikileaks would have worked to elect HC rather than helping Orange Man win.

sekker, just stop. Your Trump Derangement Syndrome blinds you to your own flaming fascism and your complicity in support of Trump policies to muzzle free press.

Even Lemon gets the concept here:

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Lemon Drop
The people who want to limit press freedoms and protect government secrecy will of course select an unsympathetic character to make their case. And with Assange they are doing just that.

I'm with Alan Rusbridger, former editor of the Guardian and Chair of the Reuters Institute:

Have often not seen eye to eye with Assange. Aspects of his behaviour over the years trouble me - eg never liked indiscriminate dumping of unredacted material. But have always said would stand by him in defence of what Guardian and @nytimes published in 2010/11




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"We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means, it is an end.
One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution;
one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship."
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Re: just breaking......Julian Assange arrested in London.....
Posted by: deckeda
Date: April 15, 2019 06:10PM
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Bernie
Until Julian testifies ......
it is you conspiracy vs my conspiracy.

Julian Assange Says He's 1,000% Sure Russia Didn't Hack the DNC's Email

Statue of limitations could come up on this so FRESH charges were needed to get him here to answer the questions we all want to hear.

I see the issue, you don’t know the difference between truth and conspiracy. That’s probably why you hold Assange as being credible.
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