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The local tempest in a teapot
Posted by: pdq
Date: July 09, 2019 11:04AM
June 17 - local suburban government steps in it.

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St. Louis Park City Council members have pledged allegiance to the American flag many times over the years but voted to no longer do so on a regular basis.

The council began its June 17 meeting with the Pledge of Allegiance but by the end of the meeting had voted 5-0 to remove the pledge from its regular meeting agenda. The council simultaneously voted to change its regular meeting time to 6:30 p.m. on the first and third Mondays of a month from 7:30 p.m.

...Some cities in the area recite the pledge while others do not, she said. For example, the St. Paul City Council does say the pledge before meetings while the Minneapolis City Council does not.

“It doesn’t make one more patriotic than the other,” Mavity said. “It’s just a note in how the agenda is formulated each week. Repetition every week of the Pledge of Allegiance I don’t believe makes us more patriotic. I think actions count more than words.”

Wrong, apparently. Their unanimous vote was picked up by the wingnut echo chamber, and last night the crazies descended on the following city council meeting.

And now the prez is in on the case:

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“Outrage is growing in the Great State of Minnesota where our Patriots are now having to fight for the right to say the Pledge of Allegiance,” Trump wrote to his nearly 62 million followers. “I will be fighting with you!”

His tweet came about 10 minutes after a segment on Fox News Channel’s “Fox & Friends” on the controversy in the left-leaning suburb of Minneapolis.

First of all, I’m not sure that it’s fair to call St Louis Park a “left-leaning suburb” any more than any other first tier urban suburb - honestly, it’s (informally) known locally as “St Jewish Park”, and while it’s where Al Franken grew up, it’s also the childhood home of the movie producing Coen brothers and NYT columnist and Iraq war advocate Tom Friedman, local folks who done good, but are hardly Socialists. (Also, FWIW, one of my (Jewish) friends, who routinely describes himself as “slightly to the right of Genghis Khan”)

Secondly, of course the SLP city council is not preventing anyone from reciting the pledge of allegiance, as evidenced by last night’s meeting, where it was recited repeatedly by the...um...red-hat wearing crowd.

Finally, I wonder if these folks know the actual history of the pledge, which has evolved considerably over the years - an earlier version included

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We give our heads and hearts to God and our country; one country, one language, one flag!

...although to be fair, a variant of that last part later became very popular in Germany.

Do these folks know, I wonder, that the more modern version was formulated by an American Socialist? Or that it was only formally adopted by Congress in 1942? And that “under God” was only added during the McCarthy Red scare?

Oh well. To their credit, the council said that more study was needed, but didn’t buckle under to the MAGA mob and reverse their decision. I’m guessing (hoping) that this whole issue dies a deserved quiet death.
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Re: The local tempest in a teapot
Posted by: mrbigstuff
Date: July 09, 2019 11:15AM
Everyone loves a nice rare piece of red meat in the morning, don't they?
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Re: The local tempest in a teapot
Posted by: Acer
Date: July 09, 2019 11:36AM
I don't think it's worth kicking the beehive about.
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Re: The local tempest in a teapot
Posted by: deckeda
Date: July 09, 2019 12:35PM
The Pledge of Allegiance has always been jingoism, i.e. fear

and when you're fearful, you can be easily manipulated into believing you are righteous

so that you can become dangerous
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Re: The local tempest in a teapot
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: July 09, 2019 12:37PM
one nation UNDER GOD dammit!
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Re: The local tempest in a teapot
Posted by: davester
Date: July 09, 2019 04:00PM
When I first immigrated to the US, I was truly shocked that there was a pledge of allegiance required to be recited every morning in school. It seemed like something that only totalitarians/communist governments would require of their subjects. It's the most un-American American practice that there is.



"In science it often happens that scientists say, 'You know that's a really good argument; my position is mistaken,' and then they would actually change their minds and you never hear that old view from them again. They really do it. It doesn't happen as often as it should, because scientists are human and change is sometimes painful. But it happens every day. I cannot recall the last time something like that happened in politics or religion." (1987) -- Carl Sagan



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/09/2019 04:03PM by davester.
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Re: The local tempest in a teapot
Posted by: Speedy
Date: July 10, 2019 05:58AM
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davester
When I first immigrated to the US, I was truly shocked that there was a pledge of allegiance required to be recited every morning in school. It seemed like something that only totalitarians/communist governments would require of their subjects. It's the most un-American American practice that there is.

In my school daze in the ‘50’s it was something mouthed in the morning to get the class settled down for what came next. By junior high it disappeared from from the routine with no fuss or muss from any right wingers.



Saint Cloud, Minnesota, where the weather is wonderful even when it isn't.
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