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Trump and his party dig on on racism
Posted by: deckeda
Date: July 15, 2019 09:44AM
If you thought there might be some sort of apology today you'd be wrong.

He said that the 4 liberal Congresswomen who he told to "go back home" yesterday should today "apologize" to everyone including him.

One thing's for sure. If he doesn't help unite Democrats, nothing will. After all, Republicans remain in lock step with him.

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In the chorus of condemnation, which echoed globally, the absence of Republican voices was striking. Not a single Cabinet official aired a difference of opinion. Nor did congressional Republicans rush to take issue with Trump’s suggestion that their colleagues leave the country — and then “come back and show us how it is done.”

...

A segment on Democratic divisions focusing on the maverick congresswomen, known collectively as “the squad,” ran on “Fox & Friends” about 20 minutes before Trump issued his barrage on Twitter. Then, later in the day, a co-host of the show’s weekend addition laughed about the tweets with her colleagues.

[www.washingtonpost.com]

"Don't boo. Vote."
-- B. Obama
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Re: Trump and his party dig on on racism
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: July 15, 2019 10:33AM
Covering up for Acosta/Epstein, Census flop, Korea fiasco, China retreat, Border prison camps, Iran 'war', Russian nuclear treaty exit, (and more)
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Re: Trump and his party dig on on racism
Posted by: deckeda
Date: July 15, 2019 10:46AM
No he's not. It's actually topical, in the moment. Tomorrow, something else no doubt.

The Epstein story continues to evolve but is dependent upon court documents or events happening. There's a story about how he ordered a large shredder and carpet and tile removal tools in the Intercept. WaPo says much of this fortune is up for grabs. Neither are big stories about the topic but you can dig in as you like.

Let's see. There's a story about how the Border Patrol boss was once on that hateful Facebook group (ooh!) but that her only comment there was innocuous (oh ...) and the House passed a measure that will go no where in the Seante saying Trump can't make war with Iran without their OK. Wow.
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Re: Trump and his party dig on on racism
Posted by: mrbigstuff
Date: July 15, 2019 10:50AM
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Steve G.
Covering up for Acosta/Epstein, Census flop, Korea fiasco, China retreat, Border prison camps, Iran 'war', Russian nuclear treaty exit, (and more)

Yup. This crap is so obvious at this point, and so predictable, it still amazes when people are "shocked" when someone wants to be back in the headlines again.
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Re: Trump and his party dig on on racism
Posted by: deckeda
Date: July 15, 2019 11:27AM
Well, that settles it. I was apparently so "shocked" I just had to start a thread about it, because I just somehow didn't know Trump was racist. Can you all ever forgive my naïveté?

No need to talk more about it nor report on it since *everyone* knows about it.

Just let it go, and flow like water. Unimpeded.

*************

Tell ya what. Starting tomorrow it'll officially be illegal to seek asylum in the U.S. before first asking your native country for it (which makes not sense, but whatever.)

Of course, we already have rules and laws allowing for asylum seekers to enter, and so the Trump administration will be finally, officially defying them beginning tomorrow.

So when that makes more headlines tomorrow, can we just agree today that since we already know Trump hates immigrants and immigration and brown people, that it'll not be worth mention here? I mean, why be "shocked," if that's the only expected reaction to news stories?

Or, pick your own topic to dismiss. Seems the space is here is limited.
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Re: Trump and his party dig on on racism
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: July 15, 2019 12:04PM
How about if just agree that this is one huge nightmare?

Remind people that Trump is 100% backed by the treasonous GOP.
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Re: Trump and his party dig on on racism
Posted by: vision63
Date: July 15, 2019 12:18PM
I wouldn't apologize if I were him either. I won being exactly like this. It doesn't even make sense to change. In fact, it would be stupid to change. Get 'em so mad that they stop focusing on the election and spend time raging about stuff that doesn't matter one tiny bit.
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Re: Trump and his party dig on on racism
Posted by: mrbigstuff
Date: July 15, 2019 12:29PM
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deckeda
Well, that settles it. I was apparently so "shocked" I just had to start a thread about it, because I just somehow didn't know Trump was racist. Can you all ever forgive my naïveté?

No need to talk more about it nor report on it since *everyone* knows about it.

Just let it go, and flow like water. Unimpeded.

*************

Tell ya what. Starting tomorrow it'll officially be illegal to seek asylum in the U.S. before first asking your native country for it (which makes not sense, but whatever.)

Of course, we already have rules and laws allowing for asylum seekers to enter, and so the Trump administration will be finally, officially defying them beginning tomorrow.

So when that makes more headlines tomorrow, can we just agree today that since we already know Trump hates immigrants and immigration and brown people, that it'll not be worth mention here? I mean, why be "shocked," if that's the only expected reaction to news stories?

Or, pick your own topic to dismiss. Seems the space is here is limited.

settle down. it's not all about you. you put out a thought and you get differing opinions. are you new here?
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Re: Trump and his party dig on on racism
Posted by: $tevie
Date: July 15, 2019 12:30PM
Why the hell would he apologize for being exactly what everyone knew he was when he was elected?

Besides which, his wussy little "Oh, you just can't see them because they are invisible" ICE Raids made his penis look small, so he needs to reassure his base that he is, indeed, a big prick.

We're mad and his base is happy. Mission Accomplished.



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Re: Trump and his party dig on on racism
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: July 15, 2019 01:20PM
Today
'Many people agree with me'
-Trump


many 'good' people!
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Re: Trump and his party dig on on racism
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: July 15, 2019 02:39PM
Not a racist. You can take his word for it.

good comment:
“I met Putin and we got along great”. - Trump, 2015
“I never met Putin, I don’t know who he is”. - Trump, 2016

"My father was born in Germany". - Dotard
"My father was born in the Bronx". - Dotard
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Re: Trump and his party dig on on racism
Posted by: Blankity Blank
Date: July 15, 2019 03:01PM
I’m struggling to see the endpoint here.

His rhetoric continues to be reactionary, inflammatory and hostile to the democratic precepts of the country. He continues to openly threaten a free press. He continues to ratchet up the extremity of his rhetoric.

The foundational assumption on the left is that ultimately, he cannot violently take complete control of the country. The political factions show little resistance to him, but the military and other law enforcement agencies would not allow it.

How true is that? The upper echelons, perhaps, but how many ‘secret’ Facebook groups and email chains and photo threads need to be found before an evaluation needs to be done of how split the rank and file would be? If tRump really were to have the stomach for actual authoritarian control what would the actual choosing of sides look like?
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Re: Trump and his party dig on on racism
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: July 15, 2019 03:14PM
The GOP count is up to 16 or so, including those whose dodging and weaving would have made Weasel Paul Ryan proud.

Sen. Roy Blunt of Missouri
Blunt, who is a member of Senate GOP leadership, suggested in a statement that Trump used "unacceptable tactics" similar to the Democrats he wanted to criticize.
"Just because the so-called squad constantly insults and attacks the president isn't a reason to adopt their unacceptable tactics," Blunt said in a statement. "There is plenty to say about how destructive House Democrats' policies would be for our economy, our health care system, and our security. I think that's where the focus should be."
Sen. Tim Scott of South Carolina
Scott, one of two black Republican members serving in Congress, said in a statement that Trump's comments used "racially offensive language."
"Instead of sharing how the Democratic Party's far-left, pro-socialist policies -- not to mention the hateful language some of their members have used towards law enforcement and Jews -- are wrong for the future of our nation, the President interjected with unacceptable personal attacks and racially offensive language," Scott said in his statement. "No matter our political disagreements, aiming for the lowest common denominator will only divide our nation further."
Sen. Susan Collins of Maine
Collins, who's up for reelection next year, said Trump should take down his tweet.
"I disagree strongly with many of the views and comments of some of the far-left members of the House Democratic Caucus -- especially when it comes to their views on socialism, their anti-Semitic rhetoric, and their negative comments about law enforcement -- but the President's tweet that some Members of Congress should go back to the 'places from which they came' was way over the line, and he should take that down."
Sen. Rob Portman of Ohio
Portman said in a statement to CNN, "That's not something I would say, and I think it's divisive, unnecessary and wrong."
Rep. Will Hurd of Texas
Hurd, the sole black Republican House member, told CNN's Christiane Amanpour that Trump's tweets were "racist."
"I think those tweets are racist, and xenophobic," Hurd said Monday. "They're also inaccurate. The four women he's referring to are actually citizens of the United States. Three of the four were born here. It's also behavior that's unbecoming of the leader of the free world. He should be talking about things that unite, not divide us."
Rep. Pete Olson of Texas
"The Tweet President Trump posted over the weekend about fellow Members of Congress are not reflective of the values of the 1,000,000+ people in Texas 22. We are proud to be the most diverse Congressional district in America," Olson tweeted Monday. "I urge our President immediately disavow his comments."
Rep. Fred Upton of Michigan
"Frankly I'm appalled by the President's tweets," Upton said in a series of tweets Monday. "There's no excuse. Inflammatory rhetoric from both sides of the aisle that is used to divide us just isn't right. It's not helpful."
Sen. Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania
"President Trump was wrong to suggest that four left-wing congresswomen should go back to where they came from," Toomey said in a statement. "Three of the four were born in America and the citizenship of all four is as valid as mine. I couldn't disagree more with these congresswomen's views on immigration, socialism, national security, and virtually every policy issue. But they are entitled to their opinions, however misguided they may be. We should defeat their ideas on the merits, not on the basis of their ancestry."
Rep. Paul Mitchell of Michigan
Mitchell quoted Trump's tweet in his response to the President on Monday.
".@RealDonaldTrump, we must be better than comments like these," he tweeted. "I share the political frustrations with some members of the other party, but these comments are beneath leaders."
Rep. Susan Brooks of Indiana
Brooks, who is retiring from Congress at the end of her term, issued a statement calling Trump's comments "inappropriate."
"The President's remarks to my colleagues across the aisle are inappropriate and do not reflect American values," Brooks said in a statement. "ALL of our elected officials need to raise their level of civility in order to address the serious issues facing our country."
Rep. Peter King of New York
A King spokesman told CNN, "The tweets were inappropriate and wrong."
Rep. John Katko of New York
"The President's tweets were wrong," Katko tweeted. "I have vehemently criticized lawmakers on the far-left when I disagree with the direction they want to take the country — but criticism should focus on policy."
Rep. Mike Turner of Ohio
"I am confident that every Member of Congress is a committed American," he tweeted. "@realDonaldTrump's tweets from this weekend were racist and he should apologize. We must work as a country to rise above hate, not enable it."
Sen. Lisa Murkowski of Alaska
"There is no excuse for the president's spiteful comments -- they were absolutely unacceptable and this needs to stop," Murkowski said in a statement. "We have enough challenges addressing the humanitarian crises both at our borders and around the world. Instead of digging deeper into the mud with personal, vindictive insults --we must demand a higher standard of decorum and decency."
Rep. Elise Stefanik of New York
"While I strongly disagree with the tactics, policies, and rhetoric of the far-left socialist 'Squad,' the President's tweets were inappropriate, denigrating, and wrong. It is unacceptable to to tell legal U.S. citizens to go back to their home country," Stefanik tweeted.
Rep. Tom Cole of Oklahoma
"I am deeply disappointed in the president's comments directed toward fellow Americans and members of Congress," Cole said in a statement. "Use of such language is inappropriate and demeans the office of the presidency."
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Re: Trump and his party dig on on racism
Posted by: Acer
Date: July 15, 2019 03:30PM
Some both-sides baloney in there, but a number were straightforward.*


*Straight-forward brow-furrowing that will not be followed up by action.
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Re: Trump and his party dig on on racism
Posted by: rjmacs
Date: July 15, 2019 03:31PM
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Blankity Blank
I’m struggling to see the endpoint here.

His rhetoric continues to be reactionary, inflammatory and hostile to the democratic precepts of the country. He continues to openly threaten a free press. He continues to ratchet up the extremity of his rhetoric.

The foundational assumption on the left is that ultimately, he cannot violently take complete control of the country. The political factions show little resistance to him, but the military and other law enforcement agencies would not allow it.

How true is that? The upper echelons, perhaps, but how many ‘secret’ Facebook groups and email chains and photo threads need to be found before an evaluation needs to be done of how split the rank and file would be? If tRump really were to have the stomach for actual authoritarian control what would the actual choosing of sides look like?

Our nation has a lot of barriers erected to forestall another civil war. The last one was so incredibly destructive that great effort has been made in the sesquicentenary period since to prevent not only military conflict, but the kind of internecine communal violence that ravaged large parts of Kansas, Missouri, Kentucky, Tennessee, etc. before and during the war.

Civic associations, professional networks, public service, free schools, an independent judiciary, etc. are all meant to make the destruction of our shared world harder, by bringing those of us divided by politics and beliefs together in commerce and self-governance.

I don't think the right wing wants civil war. I think they want continued domination of the political and economic establishment, and security in their cultural and financial hegemony. Unfortunately, in the pursuit of these things, they are willing to commit such violence and violation of civil rights that they may, in fact, provoke a violent response from the left. This is a risk they are more willing to take - they have more of the guns, and are more closely aligned to military and police culture.

Would upper level NCOs and low-level officers in some areas of the country 'go rogue' if a nutty military commander ordered them to shoot Americans? Some, probably - but that's not how the military works. You need really high-level sabotage to pull off a coup.



rj
AKA
Vreemac, Moth of the Future
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Re: Trump and his party dig on on racism
Posted by: Dennis S
Date: July 15, 2019 05:16PM
At the rate we are going, they can pull off a coup by Christmas.
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Re: Trump and his party dig on on racism
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: July 15, 2019 05:17PM
Mostly finger-wagging, and likely the last any of them will say about it. nono smileynono smileynono smileynono smileynono smileynono smileynono smileynono smiley
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Re: Trump and his party dig on on racism
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: July 15, 2019 05:32PM
I think it's related to a poll showing swing voters seeing 'the squad' as the new core of the Dems. The Repubicans want Pelosi to go out of their way to support the group, and drag down their favorability in the process.

www.oregonlive.com/politics/2019/07/swing-voters-see-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-as-democrats-standard-bearer-scaring-party-leaders-internal-poll.html
"...The group that took the poll shared the results with Axios on the condition that it not be named, because the group has to work with all parts of the party.
The findings:
- Ocasio-Cortez was recognized by 74% of voters in the poll; 22% had a favorable view.
- Rep. Ilhan Omar of Minnesota — another member of The Squad — was recognized by 53% of the voters; 9% (not a typo) had a favorable view.
"



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Re: Trump and his party dig on on racism
Posted by: deckeda
Date: July 15, 2019 06:05PM
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Filliam H. Muffman
I think it's related to a poll ...


I read that on Axios yesterday. It's a fake poll.

And I have proof, the same as Axios when they published it.
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Re: Trump and his party dig on on racism
Posted by: Acer
Date: July 15, 2019 06:44PM
Axios didn’t hide the fact that the poll was two months old and focused on 1,003 white people with two years of college experience or less—but it spun the polled population as “swing voters,” hid the people who conducted the poll, apparently as a condition of seeing the results, and concealed the name of a “top Democrat” who discussed findings with them.

[splinternews.com]
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Re: Trump and his party dig on on racism
Posted by: deckeda
Date: July 15, 2019 07:01PM
My email to Axios yesterday:

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deckeda
It’s not credible “top” Congressional Democrats would confuse whatever AOC is doing with socialism.

The premise that “top” Congressional Democrats were so apparently insecure about how to attract and keep voters that they have to whine about freshmen with little real power is also not credible.

That Congressional Democrats would supply (leak is a better term) a “poll” anonymously (absent of questions asked) exclusively to a minor (sorry, we’ll be great one day just you wait and see !!!!!!) news outlet something as serious as fellow members apparently ruining all their work is also … not credible.


See a pattern?


(I received an auto-reply in response.)

****************************

I won't be tempted to wonder if such a "poll" could indeed have come from Democrats (or Republicans, or some kid in a 4chan chat room) because it's beside the point.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/15/2019 07:02PM by deckeda.
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Re: Trump and his party dig on on racism
Posted by: AllGold
Date: July 15, 2019 07:36PM
Jesus H. @#$%& Christ!

I can't believe the Republican responses. Only a few actually denounce Trump without calling the Democrats a bunch of socialists.



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Re: Trump and his party dig on on racism
Posted by: Wags
Date: July 15, 2019 09:50PM
Both sides have their talking points that they are duty-bound to insert into any interaction with the media. Not hard to see who their targets are. I'm glad I don't have to try and make 45 look human.
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Re: Trump and his party dig on on racism
Posted by: vision63
Date: July 15, 2019 10:00PM
I'm sorry it's had to come to this in order for many to understand what was crystal clear years ago.
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Re: Trump and his party dig on on racism
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: July 15, 2019 10:18PM
I disagree. Even without the Democrats stopping a good deal of their legislative agenda, the Treasonous GOP will still back Trump for the considerable power the office of the president wields.

This horror show is a long way from over.

PS, I'll be commenting on this later, but as noted, Chapter 12 ended on July 4 at the tank stunt and the preliminary earthquake in California.

Notice anything getting worse since then? It's chapter 13.
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Re: Trump and his party dig on on racism
Posted by: vision63
Date: July 15, 2019 10:35PM
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Steve G.
I disagree. Even without the Democrats stopping a good deal of their legislative agenda, the Treasonous GOP will still back Trump for the considerable power the office of the president wields.

This horror show is a long way from over.

PS, I'll be commenting on this later, but as noted, Chapter 12 ended on July 4 at the tank stunt and the preliminary earthquake in California.

Notice anything getting worse since then? It's chapter 13.

Not only is the horror show a long way from over. If we don't win, this will become the good times.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/15/2019 10:35PM by vision63.
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Re: Trump and his party dig on on racism
Posted by: Janit
Date: July 16, 2019 06:36AM
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vision63
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Steve G.
I disagree. Even without the Democrats stopping a good deal of their legislative agenda, the Treasonous GOP will still back Trump for the considerable power the office of the president wields.

This horror show is a long way from over.

PS, I'll be commenting on this later, but as noted, Chapter 12 ended on July 4 at the tank stunt and the preliminary earthquake in California.

Notice anything getting worse since then? It's chapter 13.

Not only is the horror show a long way from over. If we don't win, this will become the good times.

I guess it's time for someone to draw an emoji that represents stark raving terror.
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Re: Trump and his party dig on on racism
Posted by: Speedy
Date: July 16, 2019 07:22AM
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vision63
Not only is the horror show a long way from over. If we don't win, this will become the good times.

That is a fact. The only thing keeping Pres. Trump and the Republicans from going totally batsheet is their overwhelming desire to keep power with the next election.



Saint Cloud, Minnesota, where the weather is wonderful even when it isn't.
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Re: Trump and his party dig on on racism
Posted by: rjmacs
Date: July 16, 2019 08:12AM
Slightly OT, but I'm happy to see large-scale media outlets openly contending with their struggles over reporting Trump's racist actions. It's likely another self-sorting process, but more and more publishers and editors are starting to use the word racist without referring to a third party-as-authority, essentially arguing that you don't quote a meteorologist when you report that it rained yesterday, so....



rj
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Vreemac, Moth of the Future
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Re: Trump and his party dig on on racism
Posted by: deckeda
Date: July 16, 2019 09:27AM
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rjmacs
Slightly OT, but I'm happy to see large-scale media outlets openly contending with their struggles over reporting Trump's racist actions. It's likely another self-sorting process, but more and more publishers and editors are starting to use the word racist without referring to a third party-as-authority, essentially arguing that you don't quote a meteorologist when you report that it rained yesterday, so....

It’s similar to how they treat lies vs falsehoods. When you say someone lied you’re saying you know their intent, which is hardly ever the case (and in a way, irrelevant) when reporting facts. So they look at past statements and surrounding circumstance also. It’s why opinion writers can more easily use the word “lie” but a reporter mostly should not.

Racist language is different because there’s always an attached dogwhistle that gives cowards some potential cover, as if the statement is open to interpretation. That window is closing, and the expression to “go back where you came from” is rapidly only being known for what it is, an attack on someone’s race. There is no legit “oh this is what I really meant” walkback the next day.

This morning he’s still running from it, madly tweeting how it’s-not-me-it’s-them-and-can’t-you-see-how-horrible-they-are.

A racism topic today isn’t about informing white people he’s racist in some hypothetical or abstract way. “Everyone” already knows it, right? It’s about making him show his true colors again and again as he digs ever deeper downward so that more people reject his racism. There are many moderates who say you can’t fight conservatives on morality. Waste of time. They say you can only convince them of how your “vision” for the future is better, focus on jobs etc.

And that’s critically important, but look at how queasy racism makes conservatives feel. We KNOW it’s their core weakness and so do they! No one can convince me that quietly letting this issue fade away helps the Democratic Party, or the nation.
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Re: Trump and his party dig on on racism
Posted by: Blankity Blank
Date: July 16, 2019 10:32AM
Rudy’s. In. The. House.


Don’t call it a comeback...



... Just call it the same old @#$%&.
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Re: Trump and his party dig on on racism
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: July 16, 2019 11:17AM
Such textbook bullying. Don't strike the first blow, but smell blood in the water and go on the attack when the target seems weak.

He saw Pelosi and other Dems give critical feedback to some freshmen members of Congress, something that was not done disrespectfully and is a perfectly normal part of how our politics work, and decided he'd pile on with his own special brand of nasty that makes him feel good about himself.

It's predictable, but also remarkable in how closely and consistently he adheres to the type.
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Re: Trump and his party dig on on racism
Posted by: deckeda
Date: July 16, 2019 12:21PM
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Blankity Blank
... Just call it the same old @#$%&.

Well, sure, since Sunday morning at least when Graham was on TV claiming the same nonsense. And yet if there were any sort of valid debate happening, portraying any Democrat, and that includes any that can be named, as socialist would fail in about 4 seconds when viewed factually.

As for Milquetoast "That's all I have" Mitt, he just danced around all of it. It's only a marker because of what he promised during and since his Senatorial run.

Underlying all of it is the lie that there's such a thing as "the temporary racist," which is the idea that someone's only a racist when they publicly say things a racist would say. And when they don't say racist things and/or the world has moved on to something else, that person is no longer "racist."

That lie is what enables Republicans to hand out lame apologetic responses. They cannot be tied to racism because *no one* is allowed to be racist. Trump is working hard for it to become normal.
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Re: Trump and his party dig on on racism
Posted by: deckeda
Date: July 16, 2019 06:06PM
That @#$%& "poll" published by Axios has succeeded in hitting its mark. The president has now indirectly cited it as "evidence" that the Squad is unpopular.
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