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Trump Rule Targets Legal Immigrants Who Rely on Food Stamps and Other Aid
Posted by: Blankity Blank
Date: August 12, 2019 12:18PM
It goes into effect in 60 days.

NYT
Trump Rule Targets Legal Immigrants Who Rely on Food Stamps and Other Aid
“The Trump administration will penalize legal immigrants who rely on public programs, such as food stamps and government-subsidized housing, as part of a sweeping new policy to slow legal immigration into the United States and reduce the number of immigrants who are granted permanent legal status.

The move will have the greatest impact on poor immigrants who are living in the country legally and are receiving public benefits from the government, forcing them to make a choice between accepting financial help and living and working in the country legally. It will probably not affect immigrants who already have green cards.”





"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled
masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched
refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the
homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp
beside the golden door!"



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/12/2019 12:28PM by Blankity Blank.
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Re: Trump Rule Targets Legal Immigrants Who Rely on Food Stamps and Other Aid
Posted by: pdq
Date: August 12, 2019 12:25PM
I think this unrelated item is related:

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The Trump administration on Monday announced that it would change the way the Endangered Species Act is applied, significantly weakening the nation’s bedrock conservation law credited with rescuing the bald eagle, the grizzly bear and the American alligator from extinction.

The changes will make it harder to consider the effects of climate change on wildlife....They would most likely shrink critical habitats and...make it easier to remove a species from the endangered species list...

Overall, the new rules would very likely clear the way for new mining, oil and gas drilling, and development in areas where protected species live.

Is he evil, soulless, or both?
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Re: Trump Rule Targets Legal Immigrants Who Rely on Food Stamps and Other Aid
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: August 12, 2019 12:25PM
Starve, vile brown peasants!

We pick on you first because you have NO way of fighting back

(Vote Republican)



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Re: Trump Rule Targets Legal Immigrants Who Rely on Food Stamps and Other Aid
Posted by: rjmacs
Date: August 12, 2019 12:25PM
There's only one way out of this. 11/3/2020.



rj
AKA
Vreemac, Moth of the Future
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Re: Trump Rule Targets Legal Immigrants Who Rely on Food Stamps and Other Aid
Posted by: graylocks
Date: August 12, 2019 12:34PM
so much for the oft repeated narrative that the current administration is only concerned about illegal immigration.



"Success isn't about how much money you make. It is about the difference you make in people's lives."--Michelle Obama
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Re: Trump Rule Targets Legal Immigrants Who Rely on Food Stamps and Other Aid
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: August 12, 2019 12:50PM
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rjmacs
There's only one way out of this. 11/3/2020.
OR
Article 25.
OR
.50 Cal.
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Re: Trump Rule Targets Legal Immigrants Who Rely on Food Stamps and Other Aid
Posted by: Blankity Blank
Date: August 12, 2019 01:03PM
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cbelt3
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rjmacs
There's only one way out of this. 11/3/2020.
OR
Article 25.
OR
.50 Cal.

If only.
AND
That’s the quickest route from shlt creek to shlt storm. No thanks.
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Re: Trump Rule Targets Legal Immigrants Who Rely on Food Stamps and Other Aid
Posted by: deckeda
Date: August 12, 2019 01:09PM
Standard conservative feel-good policy, nothing actually new except having the balls to abuse the intent of an existing law. And say it outright.

Immigration boss Ken Cuccinelli reveled it thusly:

“Through the public charge rule, President Trump’s administration is reinforcing the ideals of self-sufficiency and personal responsibility, ensuring that immigrants are able to support themselves and become successful here in America."

Catch that? I mean, I did bold it after all. It's no longer about a problem, let alone a "crisis" at the border. They're just buttoning up what they see is wrong, ideally.
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Re: Trump Rule Targets Legal Immigrants Who Rely on Food Stamps and Other Aid
Posted by: Janit
Date: August 12, 2019 01:18PM
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Blankity Blank
It will probably not affect immigrants who already have green cards.”

<sarcasm>
I wouldn't bank on that. Just think about how much money this country could save if every green card holder gets thrown out of the country when they retire and file for Social Security/Medicare.

After all, isn't Social Security/Medicare just another publicly funded entitlement designed to give non-productive members of society a free ride?

Before you know it even American citizens over 65 will be cast out to die on the [melting] ice floes.
</sarcasm>



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Re: Trump Rule Targets Legal Immigrants Who Rely on Food Stamps and Other Aid
Posted by: deckeda
Date: August 12, 2019 01:42PM
It's the same argument they've made for decades recording public assistance: If you have to ask for help, you don't deserve it.

In this case, it's easier to ignore Emma Lazarus's famous poem if you disagree with its premise.
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Re: Trump Rule Targets Legal Immigrants Who Rely on Food Stamps and Other Aid
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: August 12, 2019 01:53PM
Are there no prisons? Are there no workhouses?
-Ebenezer Scrooge, Fox News panelist
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Re: Trump Rule Targets Legal Immigrants Who Rely on Food Stamps and Other Aid
Posted by: WOOF
Date: August 12, 2019 02:19PM
So many military families are made up of immigrant volunteers
whose low incomes qualify them for federal assistance programs.
SNAP,we're gonna need some other heroes.



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Re: Trump Rule Targets Legal Immigrants Who Rely on Food Stamps and Other Aid
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: August 12, 2019 02:56PM
Let’s see... immigrants pay taxes. Lots of taxes. It they are not allowed to benefit from the services they pay for. Someone should definitely sue for tax relief then.
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Re: Trump Rule Targets Legal Immigrants Who Rely on Food Stamps and Other Aid
Posted by: bfd
Date: August 12, 2019 04:14PM
Trump's an idiot. There's no way he knows enough to do this. It's all the deplorables that came out from underneath their rocks after he was elected that are masterminding this hate filled nonsense.
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Re: Trump Rule Targets Legal Immigrants Who Rely on Food Stamps and Other Aid
Posted by: deckeda
Date: August 12, 2019 04:30PM
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bfd
Trump's an idiot. There's no way he knows enough to do this. It's all the deplorables that came out from underneath their rocks after he was elected that are masterminding this hate filled nonsense.

Of course. But enablers have responsibility. If you knowingly allow it to happen you're responsible. So yes, this is very much a "Trump Rule."
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Re: Trump Rule Targets Legal Immigrants Who Rely on Food Stamps and Other Aid
Posted by: WOOF
Date: August 12, 2019 09:28PM
"exceptions to the rule, such as benefits received by active duty member of the military and their spouses and children"
Immigrant volunteers and their families , once out of service, are on their own.
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Re: Trump Rule Targets Legal Immigrants Who Rely on Food Stamps and Other Aid
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: August 12, 2019 10:07PM
You can't lift yourself up by the bootstraps if the heinous Republicans take away your boots.
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Re: Trump Rule Targets Legal Immigrants Who Rely on Food Stamps and Other Aid
Posted by: AllGold
Date: August 12, 2019 11:59PM
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bfd
Trump's an idiot. There's no way he knows enough to do this. It's all the deplorables that came out from underneath their rocks after he was elected that are masterminding this hate filled nonsense.

It's probably Stephen Miller who is the mastermind behind this.



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Re: Trump Rule Targets Legal Immigrants Who Rely on Food Stamps and Other Aid
Posted by: Janit
Date: August 13, 2019 12:10AM
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Steve G.
You can't lift yourself up by the bootstraps if the heinous Republicans take away your boots.

Hell, the Republicans are intending to cut off people's feet.
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Re: Trump Rule Targets Legal Immigrants Who Rely on Food Stamps and Other Aid
Posted by: rjmacs
Date: August 13, 2019 07:01AM
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AllGold
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bfd
Trump's an idiot. There's no way he knows enough to do this. It's all the deplorables that came out from underneath their rocks after he was elected that are masterminding this hate filled nonsense.

It's probably Stephen Miller who is the mastermind behind this.

They have a whole team of xenophobic racist bigots on staff, I have no doubt.



rj
AKA
Vreemac, Moth of the Future
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Re: Trump Rule Targets Legal Immigrants Who Rely on Food Stamps and Other Aid
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: August 13, 2019 12:08PM
Wow.

The famous lines, taken from The New Colossus by the 19th-century New York poet Emma Lazarus, read: “Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.”

In a radio interview on Tuesday, Cuccinelli offered a change: “Give me your tired and your poor who can stand on their own two feet and who will not become a public charge.”

On NPR’s Morning Edition, Cuccinelli defended the Trump administration decision to make it harder for migrants to be awarded permanent residence, or a “green card”, if they have ever accepted benefit programs such as food stamps, housing assistance or Medicaid.
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Re: Trump Rule Targets Legal Immigrants Who Rely on Food Stamps and Other Aid
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: August 14, 2019 10:08AM
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Steve G.
Wow.

The famous lines, taken from The New Colossus by the 19th-century New York poet Emma Lazarus, read: “Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.”

In a radio interview on Tuesday, Cuccinelli offered a change: “Give me your tired and your poor who can stand on their own two feet and who will not become a public charge.”

On NPR’s Morning Edition, Cuccinelli defended the Trump administration decision to make it harder for migrants to be awarded permanent residence, or a “green card”, if they have ever accepted benefit programs such as food stamps, housing assistance or Medicaid.

Cuccinelli told Erin Burnett on CNN that the poem refers to immigrants from Europe where they had people considered "wretched" if they weren't from the right class.

[www.cnn.com]

(Statue of Liberty now requesting that we send her back to France)
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Re: Trump Rule Targets Legal Immigrants Who Rely on Food Stamps and Other Aid
Posted by: pdq
Date: August 14, 2019 10:38AM
While anecdotal, here’s the lead LTE in today’s local paper (St Paul Pioneer Press, which I should note has adopted the role as the conservative paper in town).

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Something is wrong here. Law enforcement goes into a place of business and their goal is to arrest undocumented workers. These WORKERS have families they are supporting in a very difficult job not attractive to those less committed.

These are the people we should be fast tracking towards legal status, not jailing and deporting them! These people have drive and perseverance to support their families. They suffer the fear of deportation because it was a worse situation that they came from.

These WORKERS are not the ones to target. They are the ones we should welcome.

Well said, and my feelings exactly. I think this whole debacle nicely illustrates what I’ve mentioned before - when conservative ideology collides with reality. They repeat to each other over and over that these folks are a drain on society, but when they actually go to deport them, the ones they come up with are mostly these people that work harder, use fewer resources, and commit less crime than US citizens in similar socioeconomic situations. (It’s like the voting fraud trope - when demagogues like Kobach actually have to show their cards, they only find a handful of cases, most of which turn out to be Republicans).

I tend to think (and hope) that deporting folks (fathers, mothers and spouses) that quietly slave away in meatpacking plants will wake some voters up to the reality of the situation, and turn them off to the Orange One’s demonization of immigrants.

Probably a futile hope for the Deplorables, but I have hope for the remaining majority of the population.
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Re: Trump Rule Targets Legal Immigrants Who Rely on Food Stamps and Other Aid
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: August 14, 2019 11:58AM
It's actually not "conservative ideology" to fight attempts by immigrants to come to the US to take our lowest paying jobs. It's long been part of their pro-business strategy to ensure endless supplies of low cost labor; that coupled with public support in the form of food and other assistance that allows the Walmarts and Koch chicken processors of the world to keep paying below living wages. This approach ensures that those workers and their families can survive while the corporations that employ them make staggering profits.

What's happening now makes no sense from either a humanitarian or an economic point of view and if Republican leaders won't stand up and say this is wrong then it's fair to say that the GOP is officially dead and it's now the Trump party. May as well change the name at this point.
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Re: Trump Rule Targets Legal Immigrants Who Rely on Food Stamps and Other Aid
Posted by: rjmacs
Date: August 14, 2019 12:40PM
Very true, LD. In fact, the U.S. labor movement has historically been a stronger opponent of lax immigration policies out of fear of competition from non-union workers.



rj
AKA
Vreemac, Moth of the Future
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Re: Trump Rule Targets Legal Immigrants Who Rely on Food Stamps and Other Aid
Posted by: Blankity Blank
Date: August 14, 2019 12:41PM
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Lemon Drop
It's actually not "conservative ideology" to fight attempts by immigrants to come to the US to take our lowest paying jobs. It's long been part of their pro-business strategy to ensure endless supplies of low cost labor; that coupled with public support in the form of food and other assistance that allows the Walmarts and Koch chicken processors of the world to keep paying below living wages. This approach ensures that those workers and their families can survive while the corporations that employ them make staggering profits.

What's happening now makes no sense from either a humanitarian or an economic point of view and if Republican leaders won't stand up and say this is wrong then it's fair to say that the GOP is officially dead and it's now the Trump party. May as well change the name at this point.

Unless it’s part of a longer term strategy to force the labor market down a tier or two, perhaps to enlarge the space for automated ‘labor’.

Undocumented workers pushed even further into the lowest paid, dead end undesirable strata, maintaining leverage to tolerate untenable conditions. Up from there to young and untrained workers taking the unskilled/ low skilled service jobs; former midlevel service workers into the semi-skilled positions, and upper level service workers seeing full time positions continue to vanish, scrambling between multiple jobs, with a fraction managing to retrain out of the service industry. The automated and automation assisted self serve space expanding and providing the downward pressure on workers.
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