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Shining a "light" on how NOT to lead by example
Posted by: deckeda
Date: September 04, 2019 07:02PM
I suppose the logical end result of government oversight is dad-gum Socialism (said in old-man voice) and that the natural give-and-take of political compromise (remember that?) hopefully keeps us from that dystopian outcome.

And yes I could paste that intro into many a thread response here, but there is such a thing as "leadership," which on some level is socialism's (small s this time) better-behaved cousin who was smarter and more compassionate.

Of course I'm referring to the Energy Department's continued assault on the agency's purpose (something having to do with ensuring the nation has energy, probably.)


"The Energy Department said phasing out the bulbs would be “a lose-lose for consumers” because of the higher cost of more efficient bulbs. And it said it would be “regulating these lightbulbs out of existence.”"

[www.washingtonpost.com]

If there was a light bulb that cost a penny but killed a tree each time it was turned on, this Administration would ensure its survival. (The bulb, not the trees.)


As for me, I'm looking forward to also getting some lower-cost leaded paint and gasoline again.
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Re: Shining a "light" on how NOT to lead by example
Posted by: Sarcany
Date: September 04, 2019 07:15PM
At this point, LEDs can easily replace almost every niche filled by incandescents without much difference in price for similar output and with a huge saving over the life of the bulb.

And just about everyone knows that. They've seen their power bills drop when they went LED. People will buy LEDs. Most manufacturers will not adopt crummy bulbs just because it's lawful to do so.

The only people who benefit from this are nutters who think that efficient bulbs are a Rothchild/Soros Jewish-liberal conspiracy beaming out secret radio signals from the bulbs to the man-eating aliens behind the Hollywood elite media conspiracy.

In other words, he's playing to his base.



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Re: Shining a "light" on how NOT to lead by example
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: September 04, 2019 07:17PM
.... except the market has already spoken. Only the owners of EZ-bake ovens are happy.
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Re: Shining a "light" on how NOT to lead by example
Posted by: deckeda
Date: September 04, 2019 07:34PM
I have a hard time believing much of Trump’s base really wants to have higher electrical bills, but then again rational behavior isn’t a salient feature set there. It’s more like, keeping them in the dark (so to speak) in order to remain victimized in an “unfair” world that’s out to get them.

My mother and father in law are those that would never buy anything but incandescent until told that watts = power consumption = electricity bill. And the greater longevity is the icing. I mean, it’s gotta be spelled out.

I understand why the industry publishes CFLs and LEDs with “equivalent wattage” ratings to describe output but that’s always been part of the problem since power consumption only indirectly or “conventionally” describes output.

It’s lumens they should have been talking about earlier. That stuff is still in smaller font on packaging. But hey, that would require leadership.
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Re: Shining a "light" on how NOT to lead by example
Posted by: mattkime
Date: September 04, 2019 07:56PM
>I have a hard time believing much of Trump’s base really wants to have higher electrical bills,

Just moved into a house full of incandescent bulbs getting stray fundraising requests from Republicans.

Coincidence?


I'm fairly certain that conservatives have it all worked out how the world is better with incandescent bulbs in the same way that guns make us safer.



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Re: Shining a "light" on how NOT to lead by example
Posted by: wave rider
Date: September 05, 2019 12:05AM
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cbelt3
.... except the market has already spoken. Only the owners of EZ-bake ovens are happy.

And Lava Lamps…





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Re: Shining a "light" on how NOT to lead by example
Posted by: Lux Interior
Date: September 05, 2019 09:00AM
Do you not remember the outrage when Obama* passed laws requiring more energy efficient light bulbs?

People literally bought shitloads because they thought they would be forced to use the crappy efficient bulbs (which, at the time, were the pretty crappy CFLs). CFLs also had mercury, which was going to poison them to death! You had to wear a hazmat suit to clean up a broken bulb! It was the madness of liberals, again! Well, never mind that these same people probably had regular, mercury filled fluorescents in their basements, game rooms, and work places for decades before the first CFL was on the shelf at Lowes.

Eventually, the CFLs got better, then came the LEDs, which were much better, but much more expensive. Then the LEDs got cheaper and most of the other issues were solved. Now most people want LEDs.

But there are still people who think it is a government conspiracy and LEDs are stealing their freedoms.

*By Obama, I mean a bi-partisan effort under the Bush administration.
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Re: Shining a "light" on how NOT to lead by example
Posted by: Acer
Date: September 05, 2019 09:06AM
I ran the math on this topic in 1994 and started using compact flourescents even though they were $20 a pop then.
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Re: Shining a "light" on how NOT to lead by example
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: September 05, 2019 10:25AM
I think it took me until 1996 when I started swapping out all my high use incandescent bulbs for CFLs when I moved into a new apartment. You save almost double when you are paying for air conditioning.



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Re: Shining a "light" on how NOT to lead by example
Posted by: deckeda
Date: September 05, 2019 11:35AM
I never knew about CFLs that long ago. But it’s a tech I’ll never miss. I paid $18 for a “60w equivalent” bulb at Home Depot years ago. It came with a 5-yr warranty, so I kept the receipt and the box. Wound up rarely using the bulb and the warranty ran out ... but I would have cashed it in because that thing never lasted very long.

It was just a few years ago I was back in the store and surprised to see the CFLs mostly gone.
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Re: Shining a "light" on how NOT to lead by example
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: September 05, 2019 04:18PM
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Acer
I ran the math on this topic in 1994 and started using compact flourescents even though they were $20 a pop then.
Ditto. And switched to LED's in about 2005. I have some outside that are that old, still.
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Re: Shining a "light" on how NOT to lead by example
Posted by: numbered
Date: September 05, 2019 04:58PM
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Lux Interior
*By Obama, I mean a bi-partisan effort under the Bush administration.

Benen:

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Soon after Barack Obama became president, the Republican posture on the issue shifted. Suddenly, the Bush/Cheney energy bill was a classic example of Big Government using authoritarian tactics to “ban” popular sources of light. By 2012, Mitt Romney, Rush Limbaugh, and a variety of conservative leaders decided the bulb policy was a left-wing scourge worthy of attack.

Or put another way, lightbulbs became a culture-war issue. It no longer mattered whether the policy was working – because in a post-policy party, the efficacy of governance is irrelevant.

This is how we got Palin and Trump.
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Re: Shining a "light" on how NOT to lead by example
Posted by: GGD
Date: September 06, 2019 10:54PM
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cbelt3
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Acer
I ran the math on this topic in 1994 and started using compact flourescents even though they were $20 a pop then.
Ditto. And switched to LED's in about 2005. I have some outside that are that old, still.

2005 seems awful early for LED bulbs, who made them? Cree didn't start selling it's consumer bulbs until 2013.
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