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Iowa results delayed due to reporting inconsistencies. CNN banging the panic drum.
Posted by: Blankity Blank
Date: February 03, 2020 11:17PM
Iowa officials are saying the longer than usual delay is due to inconsistencies in the reporting of results, so they are referring back to the paper trail and making photographic records of results if needed.

There’s obviously a pooch screwed somewhere, but CNN’s television reporting seems bent on taking their reporting to defcon 5 rather than investigating and reporting in a measured, considered manner. Already calling it a “huge embarrassment”, quoting republican FUD already spreading about the voting being “fixed”, speculating about if the campaigns will not trust the results, etc.

Thankfully, the candidates themselves have, so far, been taking things more in less in stride in their public statements.

Highlight of their coverage, a phone interview with a campaign worker who was on hold on another line trying to get ahold of voting officials. An official picked up his call — you could hear them on the other line, “Hello? Hello? Is anybody there?” — but for some reason he seemed to be waiting for Wolf Blitzer to let him go and then we heard... *click*. Official hangs up, poor schmuck had to call back and be put on hold again.

Blitzer then proceeded to give the guy’s full name on air. big grin smiley



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Re: Iowa results delayed due to reporting inconsistencies. CNN banging the panic drum.
Posted by: vision63
Date: February 03, 2020 11:55PM
In my country results tabulate "you."
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Re: Iowa results delayed due to reporting inconsistencies. CNN banging the panic drum.
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: February 04, 2020 12:13AM
Maybe Cheeto can ask the Russians to hand over the results.



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Re: Iowa results delayed due to reporting inconsistencies. CNN banging the panic drum.
Posted by: steve...
Date: February 04, 2020 12:36AM
I don't understand the caucus system. What's wrong with one person, one vote in the privacy of the voting booth?




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Re: Iowa results delayed due to reporting inconsistencies. CNN banging the panic drum.
Posted by: RgrF
Date: February 04, 2020 01:13AM
They (CNN) acted like what they are, pampered newsreaders taken out of their comfortable studio setting and pissed off that the locals didn't hit the proscribed stage marks.

Rather than be professional they chose to whine, couldn't stand them any longer - shut it all off.

NBC had 250 people in Iowa, tail wagging the dog.

Time to do away with the Iowa thing.
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Re: Iowa results delayed due to reporting inconsistencies. CNN banging the panic drum.
Posted by: vision63
Date: February 04, 2020 01:27AM
They can't stop Iowa. I think it's in their constitution (or something) to always be first no matter what.
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Re: Iowa results delayed due to reporting inconsistencies. CNN banging the panic drum.
Posted by: Sarcany
Date: February 04, 2020 01:42AM
I have an idea!

Why don't we make a secret app for tallying the caucus results and deploy it 30 seconds before the results are due with nobody told how to use it, and then for the precincts trying to report results, if they have any problem with the app we'll give them a single phone number to call to report the results orally in such a way that we can't certify anything provided over the phone.

What could go wrong?



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Re: Iowa results delayed due to reporting inconsistencies. CNN banging the panic drum.
Posted by: Sarcany
Date: February 04, 2020 01:46AM
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steve...
I don't understand the caucus system. What's wrong with one person, one vote in the privacy of the voting booth?

It's a game, like "Dodgeball," only with more injuries.



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Re: Iowa results delayed due to reporting inconsistencies. CNN banging the panic drum.
Posted by: vision63
Date: February 04, 2020 02:25AM
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Sarcany
I have an idea!

Why don't we make a secret app for tallying the caucus results and deploy it 30 seconds before the results are due with nobody told how to use it, and then for the precincts trying to report results, if they have any problem with the app we'll give them a single phone number to call to report the results orally in such a way that we can't certify anything provided over the phone.

What could go wrong?

They made the change (including the app) to placate Bernie. Now you know.

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Re: Iowa results delayed due to reporting inconsistencies. CNN banging the panic drum.
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: February 04, 2020 05:22AM
It wasn't that long ago that the norm was to get results the next day. I recall covering elections in which nothing was reported until the morning after the election. Now the expectation is to have final results in an hour or two. This delay would not have even been noticed just a few years ago.

Knowing the results nearly immediately is nice, but I would happily give ore time to ensure the process was correct.



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Re: Iowa results delayed due to reporting inconsistencies. CNN banging the panic drum.
Posted by: mrbigstuff
Date: February 04, 2020 07:36AM
I agree on the idiocy of expecting the results almost immediately. But the state party should have come out last night with a set time to release the results.
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Re: Iowa results delayed due to reporting inconsistencies. CNN banging the panic drum.
Posted by: Blankity Blank
Date: February 04, 2020 07:37AM
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Ombligo
It wasn't that long ago that the norm was to get results the next day. I recall covering elections in which nothing was reported until the morning after the election. Now the expectation is to have final results in an hour or two. This delay would not have even been noticed just a few years ago.

Knowing the results nearly immediately is nice, but I would happily give ore time to ensure the process was correct.

I could stand only about ten minutes of watching practically every talking head on CNN going haywire about how there being “no results” from Iowa would effect the New Hampshire primary. As if the Iowa results have been lost for all time and not just been delayed.



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Re: Iowa results delayed due to reporting inconsistencies. CNN banging the panic drum.
Posted by: Blankity Blank
Date: February 04, 2020 07:39AM
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Re: Iowa results delayed due to reporting inconsistencies. CNN banging the panic drum.
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: February 04, 2020 08:11AM
please keep in mind that the Trump team are a bunch of epic screwups.

On the other hand, all a Democratic candidate has to do is perform something smoothly and efficiently and they are golden. Mike Bloomberg's organized like that, no matter what your opinion of him. This is just beginning, folks.
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Re: Iowa results delayed due to reporting inconsistencies. CNN banging the panic drum.
Posted by: pdq
Date: February 04, 2020 08:59AM
In our paper (the leans-conservative one on my side of town) the subheadline is “Dems in damage control”.

Take a deep breath, news media. It will be okay.

Honestly, I don’t think Iowa results are that much of a bellweather. They’re <1% of the US population. They typically clear out the marginal candidates, but otherwise?

dunno smiley
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Re: Iowa results delayed due to reporting inconsistencies. CNN banging the panic drum.
Posted by: mrbigstuff
Date: February 04, 2020 09:02AM
I'm actually happy that this has occurred. Because of it, actual primaries may help decide the front runners
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Re: Iowa results delayed due to reporting inconsistencies. CNN banging the panic drum.
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: February 04, 2020 10:51AM
Trump cancelled Republican Primaries because Soviet style elections are better.

"Is only one candidate !"
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Re: Iowa results delayed due to reporting inconsistencies. CNN banging the panic drum.
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: February 04, 2020 12:02PM
They've missed the news cycle. It's on to SOTU, the impeachment vote, and New Hampshire. By the time they get these results out the public is not going to care that much. The candidates certainly will care but unless the same person wins NH and SC too it's going to be an inconclusive yawn.

Caucuses are fun and interesting and worthwhile but not not very democratic (little d). They exclude everyone who can't show up at the designated place and hour. Is there a way to keep bringing people together for the conversations but still have everyone vote the usual way?? (primary style)

Iowa created this monster themselves and they've loved the attention and mostly the money this has brought to the state every 4 years. I doubt they'll want to change that and we'll do this again in 2024 but let's hope it's the GOP that needs to have a competitive primary and not the Dems again.
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Re: Iowa results delayed due to reporting inconsistencies. CNN banging the panic drum.
Posted by: RgrF
Date: February 04, 2020 12:06PM
Unless Trump pulls a coup, the GOP will be either finding a successor or someone who can undo the damage his Reign of Horror begat.



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Re: Iowa results delayed due to reporting inconsistencies. CNN banging the panic drum.
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: February 04, 2020 12:18PM
Now they are saying results by 5PM...just in time to catch the evening news cycle before the Trumpathon.
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Re: Iowa results delayed due to reporting inconsistencies. CNN banging the panic drum.
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: February 04, 2020 01:17PM
May only be partial, inconclusive results today. I'd expect challenges to any results. The circus has moved on.

Des Moines Register blames Hillary.

The smartphone application blamed in part for the ongoing delay in reporting results of the Monday Iowa caucuses is linked with key Iowa and national Democrats associated with Hillary Clinton’s 2016 presidential campaign.

The revelation came as the Nevada Democratic Party announced Tuesday it would not be using the same app in its Feb. 22 caucuses, despite earlier reports to the contrary.

The app was issued by Jimmy Hickey of Shadow Inc., metadata of the program that the Des Moines Register analyzed Tuesday shows. Gerard Niemira and Krista Davis, who worked for Clinton’s 2016 campaign, co-founded Shadow.


[www.desmoinesregister.com]
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Re: Iowa results delayed due to reporting inconsistencies. CNN banging the panic drum.
Posted by: vision63
Date: February 04, 2020 01:31PM
Iowa has been dispensing results for half a century until bending over to accommodate Magic grandpa and his band of hyenas. he's white, Male and privileged, so of course he's blameless.
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Re: Iowa results delayed due to reporting inconsistencies. CNN banging the panic drum.
Posted by: RgrF
Date: February 04, 2020 01:52PM
Four years ago Iowa couldn't or wouldn't report vote totals - only delegate totals - this saved Hillary some embarrassment. This year they can't report anything, saving Biden some embarrassment, so of course it's all Bernie's fault. Another example of blaming the victim.

The Dem establishment is in early panic and reacting badly to being rejected by their own voters.
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Re: Iowa results delayed due to reporting inconsistencies. CNN banging the panic drum.
Posted by: pdq
Date: February 04, 2020 01:52PM
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Lemon Drop
Des Moines Register blames Hillary.

Why would today be different than all other days?

Didn’t you know she’s the sole source of inconvenience and evil in the world?

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Re: Iowa results delayed due to reporting inconsistencies. CNN banging the panic drum.
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: February 04, 2020 02:00PM
It just goes to show that doing something fairly is difficult when it's been biased for so long that it has become the norm.



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Re: Iowa results delayed due to reporting inconsistencies. CNN banging the panic drum.
Posted by: Ammo
Date: February 04, 2020 03:13PM
The Democratic National Party needs to ensure that there is professional oversight for those who think they can figure out how to hold a primary on their own. Clearly someone (actually, it should have been many more than one) should have slammed the brakes before going ahead with such an unproven system: ONE phone line to call if there were tech problems? NO statewide simulation? NO 3rd party vetting of the app that was the lynchpin to recording results?

Sorry, but unless extraordinary developments come to light, I think Iowa Dems should limit themselves to counting cows for the next couple of primaries. Sigh . . . at least they had the sense to use paper ballots.



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Re: Iowa results delayed due to reporting inconsistencies. CNN banging the panic drum.
Posted by: $tevie
Date: February 04, 2020 03:20PM
"The lack of immediate voting results led journalists and candidates to feed needless narratives about corruption and incompetence."
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Of course, what the Iowa Democrats were actually doing was counting votes. A third-party app the party had deployed to count and transmit votes, apparently without adequately training precinct chairs in its use, had failed, so election officials were adapting to changing circumstances, falling back on traditional hand counting and rechecking results. It’s a slower process than what the hoped-for technological innovation promised, but it followed best practices for an election in dispute. For the average voter, it meant waiting for the results to come in. But for politicians who want good headlines, and cable news anchors who yearn to report results, it was the worst case scenario: a slight delay in receiving coveted instant gratification.
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In case it still needs to be said: It would be essentially impossible to rig a caucus process that revolves around people standing in a gym, literally watching each other vote, then writing their votes down on secret ballot in full view of observers from multiple campaigns and the press. Not only is there an official paper trail of the Iowa results, but there are several unofficial ones that can broadly confirm the official tallies. Additionally, any would-be ne’er-do-well would need to individually tamper with hundreds of events—in houses of worship, high school gymnasia, community centers, and building lobbies across 56,000 square miles—to have a serious chance of undermining the results. As University of Iowa College of Law professor Greg Shill wrote on Twitter, “You literally write your name, address, and candidate on a card and sign it, and they keep it until the Democratic convention. It’s going to be okay.”
[newrepublic.com]



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Re: Iowa results delayed due to reporting inconsistencies. CNN banging the panic drum.
Posted by: pdq
Date: February 04, 2020 03:28PM
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$tevie
“You literally write your name, address, and candidate on a card and sign it, and they keep it until the Democratic convention. It’s going to be okay.”

Thank you. Take a deep breath, people.
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Re: Iowa results delayed due to reporting inconsistencies. CNN banging the panic drum.
Posted by: Blankity Blank
Date: February 04, 2020 04:18PM
The press conference announcing the results is full of hounds baying for blood and looking to break a ‘blockbuster’ ( career making) story they isn’t there. The red of their eyes glowed even brighter when it was announced that only 62% of the results are ready now, not 100%.

The Iowa caucus official holding the conference is handling himself well. Keeping his cool despite every question being yelled at him, being asked if he’s going to resign, how the results can be trusted, on and on.

Wolf Blitzer is so hyped up he’s doing a fairly good impression of the FedEx fast talking guy as he races through reading off the results that are in.

The giggle this hour, Blitzer having to explain — after hours and hours of talking heads questioning the competence of Iowa’s officials — that the very first results graphic they put up was wrong, showing that 95%, not 62%, of the results were in. smiley12



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Re: Iowa results delayed due to reporting inconsistencies. CNN banging the panic drum.
Posted by: vision63
Date: February 04, 2020 05:12PM
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RgrF
Four years ago Iowa couldn't or wouldn't report vote totals - only delegate totals - this saved Hillary some embarrassment. This year they can't report anything, saving Biden some embarrassment, so of course it's all Bernie's fault. Another example of blaming the victim.

The Dem establishment is in early panic and reacting badly to being rejected by their own voters.

Something you just made up. Can we just deal with what's real?
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Re: Iowa results delayed due to reporting inconsistencies. CNN banging the panic drum.
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: February 04, 2020 08:05PM
One aspect that isn't getting much attention is the low turnout.



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Re: Iowa results delayed due to reporting inconsistencies. CNN banging the panic drum.
Posted by: Sarcany
Date: February 05, 2020 06:39PM
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Filliam H. Muffman
One aspect that isn't getting much attention is the low turnout.

Because it was probably only the second highest turnout in history after the record-breaking turnout in 2008? (They don't have final figures yet.)

Right wing media has been pushing the "low turnout" thing and some others who did no fact-checking have picked up on it. Notably, NBC News reported this falsehood and then quickly revised their story to say that it was a low early morning turnout for new caucus participants in surveys at 25% of the precincts that reported the figures. Nice save, huh?

...And now Faux News is saying that even if the turnout was good, the same people won't show up to vote in the election. (Which may be true. Nate Silver says that there's no solid correlation between caucus/primary turnout and the election turnout.)

It's all spin.

Even if the final count puts them a bit below 2016 numbers, that was a good year. This was a good turnout.



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Re: Iowa results delayed due to reporting inconsistencies. CNN banging the panic drum.
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: February 05, 2020 07:30PM
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Sarcany
...Even if the final count puts them a bit below 2016 numbers, that was a good year. This was a good turnout.

Did you forget who won the Electoral College the last election due to low turnout in select states?



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Re: Iowa results delayed due to reporting inconsistencies. CNN banging the panic drum.
Posted by: Sarcany
Date: February 05, 2020 08:51PM
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Filliam H. Muffman
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Sarcany
...Even if the final count puts them a bit below 2016 numbers, that was a good year. This was a good turnout.

Did you forget who won the Electoral College the last election due to low turnout in select states?

That wasn't a low turnout problem.



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Re: Iowa results delayed due to reporting inconsistencies. CNN banging the panic drum.
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: February 06, 2020 03:20PM
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Sarcany
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Filliam H. Muffman
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Sarcany
...Even if the final count puts them a bit below 2016 numbers, that was a good year. This was a good turnout.

Did you forget who won the Electoral College the last election due to low turnout in select states?

That wasn't a low turnout problem.

While the total number of votes for all states combined was higher in 2016, the total number of votes for the Clinton in Pa, Mi, and Wi was lower.
dem votes in Pa, Mi, Wi in 2012: 2,990,000+2,564,000+1,620,000 = 7,174,000
dem votes in Pa, Mi, Wi in 2016: 2,926,000+2,269,000+1,382,000 = 6,577,000

That isn't a low turnout problem?

If turnout for Dem primaries continues to be low, it is a very bad statistic leading into the election.



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Re: Iowa results delayed due to reporting inconsistencies. CNN banging the panic drum.
Posted by: Sarcany
Date: February 06, 2020 06:23PM
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Filliam H. Muffman
That isn't a low turnout problem?

No.

It was a good turnout.

Just because it wasn't good enough to change the course of the election by flipping more states, that doesn't mean bodies weren't mobilized well overall. They were.

We should be building on that rather than putting down what was a very solid effort.

Dwelling on every seeming-failure rather than embracing and learning from victories is one of the biggest reasons why the old-guard democratic establishment seems to be such a bunch of sorry saggy old losers lately.

Pat yourself on the back, take heart and move on.



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Re: Iowa results delayed due to reporting inconsistencies. CNN banging the panic drum.
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: February 06, 2020 06:41PM
.....so.....they be bangin'......??



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