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Great interview with Bernie--not what you're expecting....
Posted by: anonymouse1
Date: February 15, 2020 11:12AM
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Re: Great interview with Bernie--not what you're expecting....
Posted by: Kraniac
Date: February 15, 2020 11:41AM
yep..Sanders is authentic..natural dude..and with the guts to mention 'not only taking on the republicans,,we're taking on the democratic establishment as well' --key,and takes some balls to bring it. is he perfect? no. but, IMO, he's the only who is generating authentic energy and that's important for me right now..and more important that he came back..and started to generate the same sort of excitement.

socialism...lol..Like any other President, Bernie will be tempered by the various separations in our government,..if they still exist after the Cyst is lanced.
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Re: Great interview with Bernie--not what you're expecting....
Posted by: space-time
Date: February 15, 2020 01:05PM
I really enjoyed this. Thanks for posting.
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Re: Great interview with Bernie--not what you're expecting....
Posted by: rjmacs
Date: February 15, 2020 01:57PM
I feel like I've seen him say all that before. What was supposed to be different from what I was expecting, other than the sneaker shtick?



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Re: Great interview with Bernie--not what you're expecting....
Posted by: sekker
Date: February 15, 2020 02:20PM
I like Bernie, and I will vote for him if he's the Dem nominee.

But he's really NOT a Dem.

Can his appeal to the youth counter his negatives with older, more likely voters?
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Re: Great interview with Bernie--not what you're expecting....
Posted by: mrbigstuff
Date: February 15, 2020 02:27PM
The speech you want to look up is from him at Liberty University (yes, that one) where he talks in very honest terms about many of the issues that drive him to campaign. It's very telling and signifies a commitment and understanding on a deeper level.
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Re: Great interview with Bernie--not what you're expecting....
Posted by: bfd
Date: February 15, 2020 03:10PM
Interviewer dude was sweatin' it hard… Bernie? not a drop.

Bernie talks a good game, but just how far would he go to make it happen. That's the question.
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Re: Great interview with Bernie--not what you're expecting....
Posted by: Pam
Date: February 15, 2020 05:48PM
Bernie is a good activist. But he's not executive material. His passions aren't all of the other stuff the president has to deal with. He is far more suited to the senate. He'd probably be even more effective as an activist and not even in the senate.
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Re: Great interview with Bernie--not what you're expecting....
Posted by: RgrF
Date: February 15, 2020 05:53PM
If Bernie wins this election he'll cause a substantial down-line effect, one that will solidify the House and put the Senate in play. He'll need both those branches to have any hope of bringing any part of his agenda to life.
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Re: Great interview with Bernie--not what you're expecting....
Posted by: vision63
Date: February 15, 2020 09:44PM
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RgrF
If Bernie wins this election he'll cause a substantial down-line effect, one that will solidify the House and put the Senate in play. He'll need both those branches to have any hope of bringing any part of his agenda to life.

He's a chaos agent who lures children into his van with candy.
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Re: Great interview with Bernie--not what you're expecting....
Posted by: pdq
Date: February 15, 2020 10:28PM
He strikes me as a cantankerous old guy who is frequently right, but never in doubt. I worry that he won’t make a very successful president, even if he can get elected.

Of course, if he wins the nomination, I will be voting for him 100%, even though he’s not my first (or second) choice. Which is different, I think, from the stereotypical BernieBot’s temperament.

But by all means, surprise me.
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Re: Great interview with Bernie--not what you're expecting....
Posted by: Ombligo
Date: February 15, 2020 11:07PM
Bernie is the only candidate that gives me cause to wonder if he is the better option. I personally think he would be an utter failure who would give everything back to the GOP in four years.



“No persons are more frequently wrong, than those who will not admit they are wrong.”
-- François de La Rochefoucauld

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Re: Great interview with Bernie--not what you're expecting....
Posted by: Filliam H. Muffman
Date: February 16, 2020 12:39AM
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vision63
He's a chaos agent who lures children into his van with candy.

That's the deep vetting you were talking about? Better make sure it gets out before the convention. If you wait until after he gets nominated and then loses the election, even more people are going to think you are tools of the FSB.



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Re: Great interview with Bernie--not what you're expecting....
Posted by: vision63
Date: February 16, 2020 03:47AM
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Filliam H. Muffman
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vision63
He's a chaos agent who lures children into his van with candy.

That's the deep vetting you were talking about? Better make sure it gets out before the convention. If you wait until after he gets nominated and then loses the election, even more people are going to think you are tools of the FSB.

I know one thing. People make accusations about him and you never defend him against any of it. Just like none of the Republican Senators defended Trump. That's because you know the truth. You have your qualms about the Democratic Party (which is fine) and Bernie is the flawed man leading the charge to dismantle it.



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Re: Great interview with Bernie--not what you're expecting....
Posted by: RgrF
Date: February 16, 2020 04:52AM
What's to defend? He's not racist, he's not communist, he's not a lame ass establishment Dem, his election staff are unionized with benefits (how many of your favorite center type candidates can say that?), he doesn't knowingly take contributions from special interest groups or obscenely large contributions from individuals, he's lived a scandal free political and personal life and he doesn't use weasel words.

He is a threat to a whole class of political animals who make a living working party politics 24/7/365, a class who spend their working hours finding ways to deceive party voters who they truly don't respect.

Sure he's cantankerous, if you been treated by the establishment like he has, you'd be livid.

PS: Comments about how people like you don’t like Bernie are not beneficial to the ultimate goal of beating Donald Trump.



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Re: Great interview with Bernie--not what you're expecting....
Posted by: pdq
Date: February 16, 2020 10:01AM
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RgrF

PS: Comments about how people like you don’t like Bernie are not beneficial to the ultimate goal of beating Donald Trump.

Mm-hm. The wisdom of Bernie fans must not be questioned.

One might point out that comments from people that didn’t like Clinton were not beneficial to the ultimate goal of not having this idiot in the White House in the first place.

At least we would vote for Sanders if he were the nominee.
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Re: Great interview with Bernie--not what you're expecting....
Posted by: Kraniac
Date: February 16, 2020 10:24AM
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rjmacs
I feel like I've seen him say all that before. What was supposed to be different from what I was expecting, other than the sneaker shtick?

That's what he does best..he hammers his message,over and over, every chance he gets...basically old school intent that works
it's a fairly recognizable thing.
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Re: Great interview with Bernie--not what you're expecting....
Posted by: sekker
Date: February 16, 2020 10:48AM
I LIKE Bernie. But he's not perfect - and he DOES have a few items on his track record that give me pause.

1) Bernie has not addressed how Russian $$ helped his 2016 campaign against HC. I do not think that's fake news.

2) His health plan did not work out when the pilot program was rolled out. I hear he thinks a larger plan will be better, but I never hear him saying how the All-US version will be better than the experiment he already ran.

3) I think his 'free college for all' plan is a real challenge. Happy to be investing in people, and education is a great way. But I see no reason the top 10% of this country in income EVER need 'free' tuition for their kids.

But I'd take him and ALL of these issues over The Idiot every work day AND weekends. Even Leap Day!
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Re: Great interview with Bernie--not what you're expecting....
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: February 16, 2020 10:54AM
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Thanks for sharing that, what a great soda shop. Not a lot of substance in that interview though, lots of fluff. PR strategy to make Bernie look cool and approachable? That's what politicians do and he's good at it now after years of practice.

I also recommend this new article by Derek Thompson in the Atlantic called "The Party Doesn't decide anything anymore."
If the basic job of a political party is to influence voters by funneling money and endorsements toward the establishment’s preferred candidate, Trump proved that the GOP was a hollow shell. Jeb Bush spent $130 million—for nothing. Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz got a slew of fancy endorsements—for nothing. The most famous Republican politicians said Trump was insane and immoral and a fraud, and none of it mattered. Trump didn’t just conquer the GOP; he colonized it.

...
Sanders’s early success, like the unstoppable train of Trump’s candidacy four years ago, suggests that the United States has entered a new era of party politics that benefits rebels and ideological radicals. In this era, the most important race is not for the broadest coalition of voters, but for the largest and most passionate base of people who will support the candidate no matter what happens. Instead of encouraging the nominee to compete for the approval of party elites, the primary process rewards whoever arrives at the ballot box with the biggest, loudest base.



So no Bernie is not Trump - I think Sanders is a man of character and certainly of relevant experience. But for the Democratic party he might be the rebel that remakes the Democratic party and finishes the cycle of remaking the role of political parties as we've known them.
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Re: Great interview with Bernie--not what you're expecting....
Posted by: vision63
Date: February 16, 2020 11:16AM
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RgrF
What's to defend? He's not racist, he's not communist, he's not a lame ass establishment Dem, his election staff are unionized with benefits (how many of your favorite center type candidates can say that?), he doesn't knowingly take contributions from special interest groups or obscenely large contributions from individuals, he's lived a scandal free political and personal life and he doesn't use weasel words.

He is a threat to a whole class of political animals who make a living working party politics 24/7/365, a class who spend their working hours finding ways to deceive party voters who they truly don't respect.

Sure he's cantankerous, if you been treated by the establishment like he has, you'd be livid.

PS: Comments about how people like you don’t like Bernie are not beneficial to the ultimate goal of beating Donald Trump.

Yet another non-defense. I don't think you've ever examined his record or his history or even his current concepts. Based on what you say I think you see him in broad distant strokes. He's been coddled by the establishment, especially considering that he "is" the establishment. The whole brouhaha in Iowa is rooted in capitulating to his demand (defend that).

He's tried to clean up his act regarding his anti-immigration positions, which on the one hand is good, as he works to brown up his base, but I doubt you ever even knew it was anyone's concern. That's just one example of something that could be defended because it certainly hasn't gone away.



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Re: Great interview with Bernie--not what you're expecting....
Posted by: hal
Date: February 16, 2020 12:23PM
I have problems with lines like this: "No premiums, no co-pays, no deductibles and no more time wasted arguing with profit-driven insurance companies. That is what Medicare for All means for the American people."

is there a long form of this? Sure sounds like offering candy to a baby to me...
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Re: Great interview with Bernie--not what you're expecting....
Posted by: bfd
Date: February 16, 2020 02:25PM
The current slate - with the exception of Dumbf - is in no way representative of the electorate. Seems like the more things change…
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Re: Great interview with Bernie--not what you're expecting....
Posted by: $tevie
Date: February 16, 2020 03:27PM
If Sanders is nominated, prepare yourself for video after video of him back in the 80s extolling Soviet this and Soviet that, and attacks on his wife "for bankrupting a college" and on his vacation home, his net worth, and his addiction to private jets. He is going to be a very easy candidate to Swiftboat -- and you can see by the way Trump coddles him amidst his attacks on every other Democrat that Republicans are praying for him to be nominated. When his supporters do tasteless things like take a coffin to a Joe Biden event, it's even harder to like him.



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Re: Great interview with Bernie--not what you're expecting....
Posted by: sekker
Date: February 16, 2020 04:30PM
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$tevie
If Sanders is nominated, prepare yourself for video after video of him back in the 80s extolling Soviet this and Soviet that, and attacks on his wife "for bankrupting a college" and on his vacation home, his net worth, and his addiction to private jets. He is going to be a very easy candidate to Swiftboat -- and you can see by the way Trump coddles him amidst his attacks on every other Democrat that Republicans are praying for him to be nominated. When his supporters do tasteless things like take a coffin to a Joe Biden event, it's even harder to like him.

Yes, it's absolutely clear The Idiot wants to pick his opponent, and that his current preference is Sanders.
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Re: Great interview with Bernie--not what you're expecting....
Posted by: GGD
Date: February 16, 2020 05:45PM
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hal
I have problems with lines like this: "No premiums, no co-pays, no deductibles and no more time wasted arguing with profit-driven insurance companies. That is what Medicare for All means for the American people."

is there a long form of this? Sure sounds like offering candy to a baby to me...

And does he understand that none of that is true about actual Medicare.

There are monthly premiums deducted from the social security checks (and not to mention the lifetime of payroll deductions).

There are co-pays.

There are annual deductibles.

And you get to argue with the US Government when they deny a claim.

[www.cms.gov]



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Re: Great interview with Bernie--not what you're expecting....
Posted by: $tevie
Date: February 17, 2020 12:21AM
This ^^ is why I have opposed the term "Medicare for All" from the beginning. I think they mean "Medicaid for All" but have no idea how any of it works because they all have top-of-the-line Federal Insurance.



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Re: Great interview with Bernie--not what you're expecting....
Posted by: Speedy
Date: February 17, 2020 05:26PM
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$tevie
This ^^ is why I have opposed the term "Medicare for All" from the beginning. I think they mean "Medicaid for All" but have no idea how any of it works because they all have top-of-the-line Federal Insurance.

Medicare for All is something everyone understands because Medicare benefits all seniors. Medicaid for All sounds like welfare and we can’t have welfare for all.



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Re: Great interview with Bernie--not what you're expecting....
Posted by: GGD
Date: February 17, 2020 06:17PM
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Speedy
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$tevie
This ^^ is why I have opposed the term "Medicare for All" from the beginning. I think they mean "Medicaid for All" but have no idea how any of it works because they all have top-of-the-line Federal Insurance.

Medicare for All is something everyone understands because Medicare benefits all seniors. Medicaid for All sounds like welfare and we can’t have welfare for all.

So I guess Yang should have called his $1000/month plan Social Security for All.
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Re: Great interview with Bernie--not what you're expecting....
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: February 17, 2020 07:01PM
Bernie is holding his first WA state rally in about an hour at the Tacoma dome. He drew 11K in Denver so we'll see how many show up here. Capacity is over 20K

I'm starting to think Bloomberg is running just to make Biden look better. "Hey he's a old white guy and may seem out of touch but you could be stuck with a jerk like me" kind of thing?
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Re: Great interview with Bernie--not what you're expecting....
Posted by: RgrF
Date: February 17, 2020 07:46PM
It's hard to see either of them (Biden/Bloomberg) exciting and driving voters to the polls - both are running anti-Trump campaigns. That's all well and good but anyone nominated is going to inherit that vote.
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