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Are Guns ‘Essential’ in the Virus Era?
Posted by: Speedy
Date: March 25, 2020 10:54PM
[www.nytimes.com]

Groceries. Gasoline. Medical care. Marijuana, in some places. All have been designated essential to society in more than a dozen states that have ordered many other businesses to close.

But what about guns?

Firearm and ammunition sales have soared in recent weeks, so clearly, some Americans want them. A gun industry association is lobbying federal and state governments to categorize firearm manufacturers and dealers as critical infrastructure, complaining that F.B.I. background checks are slowing things down as more people try to purchase weapons.

But officials have been split over whether gun stores and ammunition dealers can remain open alongside pharmacies, gas stations and laundromats, leading to confusion and legal challenges as at least 19 states have issued some form of stay-at-home orders. In Ohio, Illinois and Michigan, gun stores have been deemed essential. In New York, New Jersey and Massachusetts, they have not.



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Re: Are Guns ‘Essential’ in the Virus Era?
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: March 25, 2020 10:57PM
Gun shops in WA state were ordered to close. Not essential, apparently.
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Re: Are Guns ‘Essential’ in the Virus Era?
Posted by: NewtonMP2100
Date: March 25, 2020 11:09PM
.....have gun.....will.....travel.......



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Re: Are Guns ‘Essential’ in the Virus Era?
Posted by: davester
Date: March 25, 2020 11:25PM
I think it's essential to keep guns away from the crazies that flock to gun stores during a pandemic.



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Re: Are Guns ‘Essential’ in the Virus Era?
Posted by: mattkime
Date: March 25, 2020 11:44PM
Honestly, sure, mark 'em essential. Fight that battle another day.



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Re: Are Guns ‘Essential’ in the Virus Era?
Posted by: Racer X
Date: March 26, 2020 02:27AM
sure, cut off law enforcement from their equipment suppliers. The shop I use north of Seattle supplies quite a few of the smaller departments up north in Western Washington.

The shop that reworks triggers for me supplies most of the city and county law enforcement in SW Washington, and NW Oregon. He builds their SWAT/ERT weapons for them too. Sure, cut them off.
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Re: Are Guns ‘Essential’ in the Virus Era?
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: March 26, 2020 07:43AM
Lots of panic buying. Some people hoard TP. Some hoard ammo. To the point that there is a real shortage of both.
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Re: Are Guns ‘Essential’ in the Virus Era?
Posted by: deckeda
Date: March 26, 2020 08:03AM
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Racer X
sure, cut off law enforcement from their equipment suppliers. The shop I use north of Seattle supplies quite a few of the smaller departments up north in Western Washington.

The shop that reworks triggers for me supplies most of the city and county law enforcement in SW Washington, and NW Oregon. He builds their SWAT/ERT weapons for them too. Sure, cut them off.

Police may take delivery of their Interceptors from local Ford dealers, but that’s done for convenience only. It’s hysterical to think any law enforcement would be blocked from supplies because a retail store shutters.
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Re: Are Guns ‘Essential’ in the Virus Era?
Posted by: cbelt3
Date: March 26, 2020 08:27AM
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Racer X
sure, cut off law enforcement from their equipment suppliers. The shop I use north of Seattle supplies quite a few of the smaller departments up north in Western Washington.

The shop that reworks triggers for me supplies most of the city and county law enforcement in SW Washington, and NW Oregon. He builds their SWAT/ERT weapons for them too. Sure, cut them off.

Police may take delivery of their Interceptors from local Ford dealers, but that’s done for convenience only. It’s hysterical to think any law enforcement would be blocked from supplies because a retail store shutters.


Um... RacerX has a very deep understanding of the commerce by police departments. The 'retail' operation he mentioned also manufactures and customizes weapons for the police. We're not talking about the federal government's defense deals. We're talking about small departments buying ammo for training and tactical purposes. We're talking about individual officers customizing weapons for improving safety and performance.

A good police officer trains with all of their weapons, lethal and non-lethal. Regularly. The days of Barney Fife not being allowed to have bullets is long gone.
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Re: Are Guns ‘Essential’ in the Virus Era?
Posted by: Lemon Drop
Date: March 26, 2020 09:47AM
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Racer X
sure, cut off law enforcement from their equipment suppliers. The shop I use north of Seattle supplies quite a few of the smaller departments up north in Western Washington.

The shop that reworks triggers for me supplies most of the city and county law enforcement in SW Washington, and NW Oregon. He builds their SWAT/ERT weapons for them too. Sure, cut them off.

Police may take delivery of their Interceptors from local Ford dealers, but that’s done for convenience only. It’s hysterical to think any law enforcement would be blocked from supplies because a retail store shutters.


Um... RacerX has a very deep understanding of the commerce by police departments. The 'retail' operation he mentioned also manufactures and customizes weapons for the police. We're not talking about the federal government's defense deals. We're talking about small departments buying ammo for training and tactical purposes. We're talking about individual officers customizing weapons for improving safety and performance.

A good police officer trains with all of their weapons, lethal and non-lethal. Regularly. The days of Barney Fife not being allowed to have bullets is long gone.

yes law enforcement should have all the tools they need and I'm not aware of any agency not having access to that, but please share if you know of any examples and we can all write to the Governor.

Just because a retail shop closes to the public for health reasons, that doesn't mean that police can't access the supplies they need.
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Re: Are Guns ‘Essential’ in the Virus Era?
Posted by: rjmacs
Date: March 26, 2020 11:42AM
Virginia's Democratic governor has closed gun stores as non-essential businesses. Across the river, Maryland's Republican governor has kept gun stores open as essential to "reduce the threat to human health caused by the transmission of the novel coronavirus in Maryland, and to protect and save lives."



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Re: Are Guns ‘Essential’ in the Virus Era?
Posted by: testcase
Date: March 26, 2020 01:11PM
Ask that question again AFTER you've ben victimized or, your home has been invaded by gangs gone wild.



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Re: Are Guns ‘Essential’ in the Virus Era?
Posted by: deckeda
Date: March 26, 2020 01:43PM
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testcase
Ask that question again AFTER you've ben victimized or, your home has been invaded by gangs gone wild.

Remember, when seconds count, police are minutes away. boink smiley

Exactly! Who needs a police force, ever, in that case. I do like your example of a person who would think like this, but curiously never previously.

It's like they'd wake up suddenly and say, "Hey! What about owning a GUN? Never thought of that before! There's no training or whatever involved, right? I mean, this virus and the roving horde of neighbors *any day now* is obviously an emergency."
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Re: Are Guns ‘Essential’ in the Virus Era?
Posted by: rjmacs
Date: March 26, 2020 01:45PM
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deckeda
It's like they'd wake up suddenly and say, "Hey! What about owning a GUN? Never thought of that before! There's no training or whatever involved, right? I mean, this virus and the roving horde of neighbors *any day now* is obviously an emergency."

"I've seen the Walking Dead and I play Call of Duty - I'm totally qualified to handle a firearm during the apocalypse and/or civil conflict."



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Re: Are Guns ‘Essential’ in the Virus Era?
Posted by: Steve G.
Date: March 26, 2020 02:30PM
Having a gun nowadays is a substitute for an emotional support animal...only instead it accidentally kills your kid while she's playing with it.
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Re: Are Guns ‘Essential’ in the Virus Era?
Posted by: rjmacs
Date: March 26, 2020 02:49PM
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Steve G.
Having a gun nowadays is a substitute for an emotional support animal...only instead it accidentally kills your kid while she's playing with it.

And then you're the one who needs the emotional support pistol.



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Re: Are Guns ‘Essential’ in the Virus Era?
Posted by: Sam3
Date: March 27, 2020 03:53AM
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Steve G.
Having a gun nowadays is a substitute for an emotional support animal...only instead it accidentally kills your kid while she's playing with it.

Or she's depressed after being bullied online and told that she's ugly, nobody likes her and the world would be better off if she offed herself, whereby her blood imparts a maroon color on your just-cleaned white carpet while creating an artistic splatter on the walls.

[everytownresearch.org]



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Re: Are Guns ‘Essential’ in the Virus Era?
Posted by: Racer X
Date: March 31, 2020 01:10AM
The government has revised the list, and they are essential. New Jersey has already had an executive order allowing them to open. Other states likely have, or will soon.

[www.cisa.gov]

under

Law Enforcement, Public Safety, And Other First Responders

"Workers supporting the operation of firearm or ammunition product manufacturers, retailers, importers, distributors, and shooting ranges."
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Re: Are Guns ‘Essential’ in the Virus Era?
Posted by: DeusxMac
Date: March 31, 2020 07:36AM
Happy now, cowboy?
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Re: Are Guns ‘Essential’ in the Virus Era?
Posted by: Racer X
Date: March 31, 2020 08:41PM
My issue was with in WA for example, you couldn't even legally borrow a firearm because you couldn't run the background check.

I have a friend who is retired Navy SWCC. He had to sell off his firearms to pay for his wife's chemo. I couldn't loan him a spare shotgun or pistol.
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